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Another season of Tough Enough has come to a close and I must say that I am impressed with this year's finalists as a whole. I'm going to offer my predictions for the winners, who is going to be the last cut, and give some advice to almost every contestant. My advice is more geared towards what would be best for each individual's development as a wrestler and in some cases the WWE may not be the best place for some contestants.

My prediction for winners are John and Matt. I think this year, the WWE needs winners who could placed in the ring sooner rather than later. As far as in-ring abilities go John and Matt are the two that are most likely to pick things up quickly. Both have their advantages and disadvantages. Let's take a closer look at both.

John: John is a natural in the ring. That shooting star press he did last night was the single most impressive thing ever done by a Tough Enough contestant. He's probably the one contestant that could break out of the Tough Enough mode and become something special in the ring. His only real negative is his personality. While he is amazing in the ring and possesses good in-ring charisma his few attempts at an outside the ring character has fallen flat. Admittedly there has been less emphasis on character this season than previous seasons but the few instances we have seen seems forced. John is good at what he does but he does come across as a bit cocky and that may be a turn-off to the fans if has too much of a "I'm better than you attitude." John would probably need less OVW time than other contestants before being presented on TV and that's a good thing as far as making TE mean something in the long run. Another negative that he graviates towards the "spot style" that the WWE hates so much and there is a chance that the WWE may kill his uniqueness in order for him to fit the "WWE mode" and that would be a crime. John losing Tough Enough would say more about WWE internal politics than anything else. And if he loses, he is the one contestant that is most likely to have a successful career in the independent and international scenes. I believe he could make a good living wrestling outside of the WWE. He would be scary after a few trips to Japan.

Matt: Bill Demont said it best, Matt "is the type of guy that draws people to him." From the Casting Special on there was something about Matt that drew you to him. Even without significant air time other than the Holly incident he kept your attention. That is a trait wrestlers need to have and Matt has it. The whole Bob Holly situation gives him an instant program. Matt should be ready for television by the time Bob Holly comes back from his injury and since Matt is such a natural babyface and Holly is such a jerk the fans will be ready to rally behind him. He catches on the in-ring stuff well and some time in OVW will do him some good. His major negative is his size and that could be overcome by his natural charisma and developing a style that suits him and his size. Matt is a no-brainer pick.

I think Jamie is the one that will get cut by the fans. While I think Jonah deserves the cut more, there are some factors that are working against Jamie: backlash against last year's picks, Jamie's look, and her lack of confidence. I think a lot of the criticism against Jamie is unfair and the following are my reasons as well as some advice.

Jamie: I think a lot of people forgot what a female wrestler is supposed to look like. Jamie looks like a wrestler but in this age of fitness models as wrestlers that is forgotten. She's gotten a lot of flack for her looks and a lot of it is unwarrented. She is a strong girl and routinely picked up and slammed the guys on a regular basis without any straining. I doubt Trish Stratus could do that but Jamie could. Admitedly the women of Tough Enough 3 were a disappointment -- with three of them leaving in the first two weeks -- but Jamie proved that she could hang with the boys. Things would have been interesting if Rebekah stuck around (do you really think Kelly really had a chance even without the back injury) but there's no point in wondering about that. While she had the best promos of the group, the ability to do a good promo doesn't necessarily mean charisma -- see Val Venis, Chief Morley. That's her major weakness and while I do think she could work on that her awareness that she doesn't look like the typical "WWE Diva" turned viewers against her. That's a shame because I think if she looked past that I don't think people would be so down on her. My advice to Jamie is to get Taylor Matheny's phone number and get some connections through her. She should establish herself on the independent scene and try to get herself into Arsion in Japan. I think she could develop into quite a wrestler. While I don't think she will make it to the WWE because she doesn't have "the look" (and I will come back to that constantly when I talk about some of the others) I do think she could have a satisfying career. It's a crying shame that "the look" matters more than ability.

Eric and Jonah will be the runners up:

Eric: Eric should just continue his training and develop his personality. He has "the look" but it is the personality that is holding him back. Eric was just there and he needs more than just "being there" to make it. Ultimate University with its emphasis in size is a good place for him.

Jonah: Jonah has "the look" and the personality but like Jake for TE2 he lacks the ability. He is most likely to get the "Harvard Chris pass" to the WWE. It is easy to translate how he was portrayed on the show into a viable in-ring character but he needs to improve his in-ring game. Provided he continues his in-ring training and gains some in-ring experience, I expect him in the WWE in six to eight months.

Let's not forget those who were cut over the course of the show. I have some advice for them. I'll handle them in the opposite order of the time the person left the show.

Justin: What hindered him was lack of charsima and his tendency to "wrestle down" to his opponents. He should lear the basics first before he even tries to adapt himself to anyone else. While I do think it is important to develop his personality, I also think it would be good for him to get some wrestling experience and expose himself to different wrestling styles. I get the sense the Justin wants "to help his opponents" but the best way to do that is to learn, learn, learn. If he gets the opportunity to go abroad he should take it.

Kelly: She needs to work on her overall conditioning. She probably would have got a lot more out of it if she was in better physical shape. I also think she would be better off learning at a slower pace.

Scott: He has the charisma, it just doesn't have anything else. Scott is also someone else who probably benefit from learning at a slower pace. With that said, his size is a major hinderance to him getting to the WWE. The best option for wrestlers Scott's size is to learn one of the "Light Heavyweight" styles. Scott is a slow learner but I think it is vital to his success if he spends the time to learn one of those styles. Any school he enrolls in should emphasize the Light Heavyweight style. If he gets the opportunity to go overseas go and learn whatever lessons he can. If Scott was bigger then he could go far mostly on charisma, unfortunately he is small and he needs to not only learn to wrestle but he needs to learn to wrestle a more athletic style than the typical "Heavyweight" style. I think he could have a viable career but I don't think the WWE is for him.

Nick: Loosen up dude. He just needs to continue his wrestling education and improve his overall conditioning. Working on his charisma would also help.

Rebekah: She's the woman who is most likely to get the "Harvard Chris pass" to the WWE if she has the desire to pursue wrestling. With the exception of Jill, she has the "WWE Diva" look. She also has a ready made character with the "religious zealot" portrayal she had on the show. I think she could make it in if she wants it.

Chad: Continue your wrestling training and work on your personality. He should also work on his coordination so he could look natural in the ring and not like an uncoordinated big guy. Stretching and balancing exercise will help.

Jill: I'm not even wasting my time with her.

Overall this group has some strong prospects and while the WWE is the big game in town I think there some other options for some of the contestants and the WWE may not even be the best thing overall for some of them. The big question is who wants it and doesn't.

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#2 Posted on
My advice for the chick that went crazy would be "Stop going crazy."

For Jonah - Find some heart. You've got personality, but find the motivation to be a part of it.

For John - Stop scaring me with that Standing SSP. Unbelievable.
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#3 Posted on
My advice to WWE:

Don't make "Big" read off of a teleprompter. About as good as Ruthie and Jonny Moseley on Battle of the Sexes.

I'm ok with John, only because the standing SSP was trey swank. Give him some time, and waste him in SD!'s cruiser-land, since they still need more to make it fun to watch.

I'd like Matt to be the second, but I'd give it to Jonah only for the guilty-pleasure-Disco-Inferno vibe he's got about him.





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#4 Posted on
I'd take Matt first (even before the Bob Holly thing) and John as the second choice.

My advice? Next year keep someone around like that whining black guy who was the drama queen during the casting episode. Don't let him start doing a bunch of advanced stuff in the ring where he could hurt people, but keep him around for at least one or two episodes, just so everyone can hate him. And so I can be entertained.





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#5 Posted on

    Originally posted by KaneRobot
    I'd take Matt first (even before the Bob Holly thing) and John as the second choice.

    My advice? Next year keep someone around like that whining black guy who was the drama queen during the casting episode. Don't let him start doing a bunch of advanced stuff in the ring where he could hurt people, but keep him around for at least one or two episodes, just so everyone can hate him. And so I can be entertained.



Wasn't that Scott?





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Since: 23.11.02
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#6 Posted on
No, it was Wendell. Scott was the little Asian guy with the weird hair.

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#7 Posted on
Excuse me? ADVICE to the contestants? Last I checked there was a running total of ZERO professional wrestlers (read: people who've "made it" in the business) posting on this forum. So whether or not any "advice" is good or not, I find it quite funny that certain people think that they have something important to say.

And as far as I know, nobody here has been at all the training sessions for Tough Enough 3. We see what MTV and WWE decide to show us. For all we know, Eric is the most athletic, not John. Nobody knows, but everybody complains.

The difference between anyone here giving advice to these kids (or to any WWE wrestlers for that matter) is that they're actually out there doing it. Armchair advice is a joke, even though I do understand what you're trying to say.

It's like me telling Derek Jeter how to swing a bat, because I've followed baseball for so long. Fans mean well, but when it comes to advice or judging people, leave it to the people who actually have some experience to speak of. That's all I had to say, and I thought someone should say it concerning the Tough Enough threads. No matter how much some people think some of these kids suck or rule, they're where they are for a reason.
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#8 Posted on
John and Matt should win, but John and Jonah will.

John is a lock, what with that SSP and all. Plus he's a great pure athlete with a solid look (though it screams Ken Shamrock a bit too much for me).

Jamie...Doesn't have a female Diva look to her. She's not godawful ugly or anything, but I just couldn't see her being promoted every week on RAW, and not in a billion years on Smackdown. She's an ok wrestler, but there's not enough there to justify picking her.

Eric just does absolutely nothing for me. He looks so...generic. To be anything more than cannon fodder, you need to have a certain look about you, and he just looks like your average "MTV" guy.

Matt probably should get it, but...

Jonah has a better overall look to him. Wrestling you can teach, but Jonah looks like a complete stooge, which is a build in character for him then. So it's easier to pick Jonah.



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#9 Posted on

    Originally posted by chill
    Excuse me? ADVICE to the contestants? Last I checked there was a running total of ZERO professional wrestlers (read: people who've "made it" in the business) posting on this forum. So whether or not any "advice" is good or not, I find it quite funny that certain people think that they have something important to say.

    And as far as I know, nobody here has been at all the training sessions for Tough Enough 3. We see what MTV and WWE decide to show us. For all we know, Eric is the most athletic, not John. Nobody knows, but everybody complains.

    The difference between anyone here giving advice to these kids (or to any WWE wrestlers for that matter) is that they're actually out there doing it. Armchair advice is a joke, even though I do understand what you're trying to say.

    It's like me telling Derek Jeter how to swing a bat, because I've followed baseball for so long. Fans mean well, but when it comes to advice or judging people, leave it to the people who actually have some experience to speak of. That's all I had to say, and I thought someone should say it concerning the Tough Enough threads. No matter how much some people think some of these kids suck or rule, they're where they are for a reason.



Whoa, calm down. You're taking this way too seriously. Posting is all about fun and I was just having fun. By no means do I think anybody who means anything is going to read this but as the fan I'm just putting in my opinion of things that I see on the show as presented by the editors.

Lighten up, there's no presumption of this thread being anything more than what it is.

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#10 Posted on
No wrestlers? How do YOU know?

I referee for a small indy fed in Canada and I've taken my share of bumps. I know all about "gimmicks", "angles", "character", and whatnot. I'm sure SOME people around here have some degree of experience in the wrestling business. Other people have been fans long enough to have a good grip on how the business is handled. So what's to stop them from giving advice?

Did you try out for TE and get rejected or something? Good God, lighten up.



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#11 Posted on
Wow. Forget WWE or companies with an actual following - THOSE right there are credentials to brag about! Thanks for enforcing my point, by the way. ;)
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#12 Posted on
I think the teachers got to attached to the students this year. They took the cheap way out by not cutting Johnah themselves because they are to buddy buddy with him. All five of these guys will make the roster at some point or another. Also I don't like the whole idea of us deciding the winner.

Matt is clearly going to make it.

Johnah has the everyman feel about him and I can really see the WWE using him in some form.

Jamie is more talented than both the women who won last year and would make a good valet at least.

The other two guys are a little bland but the focus was really on the other three. They both seem to have the tools to get over with the crowd.

I'll agree that it was a good cast but at the same time things got to tight between the trainers and the students. Bob Holly clearly crossed a line by getting to physical but the trainers also crossed a line by getting to friendly.



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