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Taps for HD DVD as Wal-Mart Backs Blu-ray (NYT)

Not the way I thought things would end up going, as I really thought Sony was looking to repeat their Betamax mistake. Yet another reason why I am not the head of a multi-billion dollar corporation.

Microsoft can't be happy with this turn of events. What does this mean for the XBOX 360? I'm really, REALLY glad I waited on that purchase.





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I never got HD DVD because I didn't want to get the add-on for the 360 and then have it die (it's getting there. My Madden sometimes causes a red light to pop up and a screen telling me to put my disc into a XBox 360 to play the game).

I also didn't get the Toshiba player because the 1080p player is like $500 and I already have a PS3, so...

I can't wait for the format to die so alot of the HD DVD exclusive titles will be re-released on Blu Ray.


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It wasn't mentioned in the NYT article (that I saw) but Netflix has dropped HD DVDs in favor of Blu ray.




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I can't remember where I read it, but Blockbuster is also going to stop buying HD Discs in favor of Blu-ray.

Personally, I don't care though, because I've invested so much in regular DVDs already, I'm not ready for a next-gen format. It's too soon, damnit!



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Actually I think microsoft couldn't care less about this as they've always stated that if bluray won they would just replace the hd add on with a bluray one.
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.12
    Originally posted by wmatistic
    Actually I think microsoft couldn't care less about this as they've always stated that if bluray won they would just replace the hd add on with a bluray one.

Exactly. I think the only reason they went with HD-DVD is because Sony was on the Blu-Ray side. Since it's not a built-in component, they can easily switch.

It seems a lot of the people buying a PS3 have been doing so for the Blu-Ray capability more than the game-playing capability. If Microsoft is going to release a Blu-Ray add-on, there'd be an advantage to doing so sooner rather than later. Because if you already have a 360, $150 for the Blu-Ray add-on is more palatable than the $500 for the PS3.

I also don't care because I still don't have a high-def television.
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All this means is it's now no longer war over with disc format to use, but the bigger war between "disc" and "download" goes on. $500 for a PS3 or a monthly fee for an HD cable box with HD on demand movies?



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    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    All this means is it's now no longer war over with disc format to use, but the bigger war between "disc" and "download" goes on. $500 for a PS3 or a monthly fee for an HD cable box with HD on demand movies?


It's almost as though you read Rob Beschizza's Wired: Gadget Lab blog from yesterday.

Personally, I think there's room for both. I like downloadable media if it is available promptly (and for the portability, which was more important to me a year ago than it is now). Ultimately, we still like having our favorites on DVD. I think the larger issue with Blue-Ray isn't just the cost of the player, but the issue of replacing our DVD collection. It a lot of money to replace everything, and I don't think we need Quantum Leap Seasons 1-3 in high-def just yet.





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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
    Originally posted by Leroy
      Originally posted by thecubsfan
      All this means is it's now no longer war over with disc format to use, but the bigger war between "disc" and "download" goes on. $500 for a PS3 or a monthly fee for an HD cable box with HD on demand movies?


    It's almost as though you read Rob Beschizza's Wired: Gadget Lab blog from yesterday.

    Personally, I think there's room for both. I like downloadable media if it is available promptly (and for the portability, which was more important to me a year ago than it is now). Ultimately, we still like having our favorites on DVD. I think the larger issue with Blue-Ray isn't just the cost of the player, but the issue of replacing our DVD collection. It a lot of money to replace everything, and I don't think we need Quantum Leap Seasons 1-3 in high-def just yet.



This has been my biggest problem with any HD format. The advantages it gives us aren't close to what we got going from VHS to DVD. Back then it took years for people to switch and it was a much better picture, no rewinding, less storage space at home, more extras on the DVD, and better sound.

Going to HD means better picture, though not as much of a leap as it was from VHS to DVD, and ...more extras? Maybe? I don't know. I just don't see near enough right now to push most people to care about high def DVD's.

That's not to say it won't take over, because it will, but it will be slow and almost forced upon us in time. I think downloaded movies will be a big deal in the future. Sure we like DVD's now, but we liked our music on CD's in the past too. What's needed is for ideas like Microsoft's Home Server to be easier to use and not corrupt files.

Because let's face it, like in the past while having one car or one TV was the norm, having one computer will also evolve and we'll need a way to assure us our download isn't going to be lost.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.00
    Originally posted by Leroy
    Microsoft can't be happy with this turn of events. What does this mean for the XBOX 360? I'm really, REALLY glad I waited on that purchase.


Apparently it means Microsoft will now be making a bunch of money off Bluray add-ons too by May, so tears need be shed for MS.

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I'm behind on this technology like usual, but are people really buying the XBox and PS3 over the players because they are that much of a better value? Do they play as well? I always thought my PS2 kind of played DVDs a little half-assed compared to my DVD player.

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Yeah, the PS2 was a crap ass DVD player (mine would crash if it had to chane layers) but the PS3 is a very decent Blu ray player and is about $200 cheaper than the next expensive dedicated player. The upconversion works really well and about 90% of my regular DVDs look better played on it.

The other 10%? The transfer was so crappy on them that the artifacts and "noise" are amplified on a HDTV. Most of those were vanilla, budget, DVDs.

The only good thing about this format war is that the old format is 100% compatable. Tapes don't fit in DVD players but all Blu ray and HD DVD players will play regular DVDs. No one "has" to buy new copies of their old movies. They can live side-by-side with no problems.

I loved "Life of Brian" but I don't know how much better they could improve the picture quality of a 30 year old flick. A Blu ray of it seems redundant to me for anyone who has a DVD of it, but a bonus to anyone who DOESN'T already have it and want's a next gen DVD.





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    Originally posted by Zeruel
    No one "has" to buy new copies of their old movies. They can live side-by-side with no problems.

    I loved "Life of Brian" but I don't know how much better they could improve the picture quality of a 30 year old flick. A Blu ray of it seems redundant to me for anyone who has a DVD of it, but a bonus to anyone who DOESN'T already have it and want's a next gen DVD.



True. I own way too many DVDs to count; I have everything I like already so my high-def media wishlist is low. I'm not ready to transition to HD media soon so I'll stick with my DVD players and my PC.

However, I'm interested in any HD media player's ability to playback MPEG4 AVC (i.e. H.264) files. I just bought an HD tuner for my PC and since the recording leave huge file sizes I'm planning to archive my stuff in H.264 format. Then again, an appropriate media streamer would also be feasible. Oh well, at least I can create high-quality season sets of my favorite broadcast network shows.



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There's not much more to add other than that Toshiba has said the end is near.

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    Death Rattle for HD DVD
    A Toshiba spokesman acknowledged today (Monday) that the company is considering calling it quits in its format battle with Sony over high-definition video players. Toshiba spokesman Keisuke Oomari told the Wall Street Journal that the turning point came last month when Warner Bros. announced it would no longer support Toshiba's HD DVD format and would embrace Sony's Blu-ray format exclusively. "Sales have been hurt since Warner's decision," he said, "and we are considering different options." On Saturday Japanese broadcaster NHK reported that Toshiba plans to discontinue all HD DVD production in Japan this week at a cost of hundreds of millions of dollars. "If true, this will be good news for the next-generation DVD industry in clearing up the confusion for consumers because of the format competition that had curbed buying," Koya Tabata, electronics analyst at Credit Suisse in Tokyo, told the Associated Press. "This will work toward a profit boost for Sony." But shares of Toshiba also jumped six percent on the Tokyo stock exchange today as analysts praised the company for its decision to cut its continued losses. (Toshiba had been selling HD DVD players for far less than they cost to manufacture in the hope of stimulating sales of software, a hope that proved to be in vain.) An analyst for JP Morgan forecast that dumping HD DVD would add $280 million to Toshiba's operating profit in its next business year beginning in April.


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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
To be fair, I ripped lots of people off with that argument.

What's amazed me is how sudden this all happened. Around the holiday season, HD DVD was winning: X-Box's edge over PS3 seemed important, as did their new lower cost players. Six weeks ago, it seemed unlikely for one format to become dominant. Things have really moved quick since Warner went Blue Ray.

I think it also speaks to how few people have converted to these formats yet. There are people getting burned for sure, but obviously there's not a large enough existing market to carry a losing format until dual format players become reasonable.



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
Click Here (toshiba.co.jp)

In a shock to no one, Toshiba announces the discontinuation of HD DVD businesses.



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I knew HD-DVD was destined to lose because my new computer came with an HD-DVD drive in it. Luckily, I only ever bought one movie (actually, a BBC documentary set - Planet Earth), so I wasn't overly invested in HD-DVD. In fact, news of its demise has brought me a short-term gain, as one friend who has both players has graciously offered me his collection of four HD-DVD movies for the costly sum of lunch at Subway. I think I'll even let him get both cookies AND chips. I think the movies are King Kong, Superman Returns, The Polar Express, and V for Vendetta, so there's only one (Vendetta) that I'd actually have considered buying, but still. Neat.



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I was kind of upset at the Xbox 360's integration (or non-integration) of HD-DVD. If I'm not mistaken, no games were released for the system in that format, and the add-on player was merely used for movies, right?



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TigerDirect is having a great deal on Toshiba HD-DVD players. Ha.



    Toshiba HD-A3 HD-DVD Player - HDMI, 720p/1080i, Upconversion, Ethernet (With 2 Free Movies In The Box And 5 Free Movies By Mail)

    Original Price: $149.99
    Instant Rebate: -$60.00
    Price: $89.99





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