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Odds are from www.oddswiz.com - use them to bet if wagering is legal where you are ;-)

#1 9-0 Miami - already played.

#2 12-0 Ohio State (-4.5) vs. #9 9-2 Michigan, Over/Under = 41

The big game in the Shoe. Expect a healthy Clarett to run all over a shaky Michigan run D and the fact that it's a home game to propel the Buckeyes to the win.
Prediction: Ohio State 24, Michigan 13

#3 9-1 Washington State (-8.5) vs. 6-5 Washington, Over/Under = 60.5

Washington is looking very good after spanking Oregon, but I think Wazzou keeps their BCS title game hopes alive with a win here.
Prediction: Washington State 31, Washington 27

#4 11-1 Iowa - Regular season over.

#5 9-1 Oklahoma (-13.5) vs. #23 8-4 Texas Tech, Over/Under = 61

Kingsbury won't get 6 TD's this week vs. an excellent Oklahoma defense. But they've got a lot of momentum and are playing for Houston, and Oklahoma doesn't seem as intense after losing their season to A&M.
Prediction: Texas Tech 41, Oklahoma 35

#6 10-1 Georgia - Idle

#7 8-2 USC at #24 7-3 UCLA (+5.5), Over/Under = 52.5

USC can make the Rose Bowl if they win out. UCLA needs to win and get help from Washington. USC takes care of business and gets ready for Notre Dame.
Prediction: USC 24, UCLA 21

#8 9-1 Notre Dame (-28) vs. 1-9 Rutgers, Over/Under = 42

If Dame wins this, they go to a BCS bowl guaranteed. Rutgers plays tough for a half - then they collapse. But they won't get blown out.
Prediction: Notre Dame 24, Rutgers 7

#10 9-2 Kansas State at 5-6 Missouri (+15), Over/Under = 58.5

I think it's safe to say that K-state has been playing the best football in the nation in the past few weeks, but their bowl fate is pretty much set with Colorado winning. Expect them to go into Mizzou and keep rolling.
Prediction: Kansas State 42, Missouri 20

#11 9-2 Texas - Idle

#12 8-2 Virginia Tech - Idle

#13 8-3 Florida - Idle

#14 8-3 Florida State at 9-3 North Carolina State (+6.5), Over/Under = 53.5

North Carolina State has looked horrible after losing their undefeated season 3 weeks ago. FSU needs this to keep their Orange Bowl hopes alive. It shouldn't be that hard.
Prediction: Florida State 31, North Carolina State 21

#15 9-2 Colorado State (-16) vs. 6-5 New Mexico, Over/Under = 52

C-State should win the Mountain West pretty easily this year. I don't have much to say about this one, except that CSU has been pretty impressive in the little I've seen them.
Prediction: Colorado State 28, New Mexico 16

#16 8-3 Penn State (-21.5) vs. 4-6 Michigan State, Over/Under = 57

Penn State is arguably three quarters away from playing for the Rose Bowl. As it is, this is a MSU team without a leader and JoePa will overcome the refs.
Prediction: Penn State 41, Michigan State 17

#17 8-3 Colorado - Idle

#18 9-2 Maryland at 7-4 Virginia (+9.5), Over/Under = 51.5

Maryland can win out and with a FSU loss win the ACC. Virginia has been pretty impressive and I think they give the Terps a close game at home.
Prediction: Maryland 28, Virginia 27

#19 8-2 Pittsburgh - Already played

#20 7-3 LSU (-9) vs. 5-5 Mississippi, Over/Under = 50.5

Has LSU recovered from the spanking given to them by Alabama? I don't think so. Mississippi wants to become bowl-eligible more than LSU wants to win this.
Prediction: Mississippi 24, LSU 21

#22 8-1 TCU at 3-6 East Carolina (+9), Over/Under = 58.5

TCU is the most overlooked team in the NCAA right now - probably because they play in a terrible conference like C-USA. Regardless, they roll on the road.
Prediction: TCU 31, East Carolina 17

#25 8-2 Hawaii (-4) vs. 5-5 Cincinatti, Over/Under = 62.5

Cincinatti seems like another upset threat this week. They've proven they can play with the big boys (OSU for one) and a game in Hawaii is just what they need to make a bowl. They won't get it. But it'll be a shootout.
Prediction: Hawaii 45, Cincinatti 35



(edited by CubsWoo on 22.11.02 2137)


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    Originally posted by CubsWoo


    #14 8-3 Florida State at 9-3 North Carolina State (+6.5), Over/Under = 53.5

    North Carolina State has looked horrible after losing their undefeated season 3 weeks ago. FSU needs this to keep their Orange Bowl hopes alive. It shouldn't be that hard.
    Prediction: Florida State 31, North Carolina State 21


    #18 9-2 Maryland at 7-4 Virginia (+9.5), Over/Under = 51.5

    Maryland can win out and with a FSU loss win the ACC. Virginia has been pretty impressive and I think they give the Terps a close game at home.
    Prediction: Maryland 28, Virginia 27

    (edited by CubsWoo on 22.11.02 2137)



NCSU's ACC title hopes are dead. FSU is 7-0 in the ACC, and this is their last ACC game.

NCSU is 4-3 in the ACC, and this is their last ACC game too

therefore, NCSU is out of the title running

MD is 5-1 in the ACC. if they lose, or FSU wins, FSU has the Title. if MD wins and FSU loses, MD has a chance to share the Title. if they are both 1 loss at the end of the year, then MD has to be 5 BCS places better than FSU

Last BCS, MD was #16 in the offical standings, and FSU was 12th in the offical standings. both were 1 place worse before Alabama was removed from the standings.


VA is 5-2 in the ACC, so their hopes are dead for a title too...


according to today's washington post, Maryland is a lock for the Gator bowl if it doesn't get the BCS bid for the Orange bowl:
If Maryland is unable to make it to the BCS, it almost certainly will play in the Gator Bowl on Jan. 1 in Jacksonville, Fla. The Terrapins' opponent likely would be No. 8 Notre Dame or No. 17 Pittsburgh.

"If Maryland is not in the BCS, there is probably very little [chance] we do take somebody else," Gator Bowl President Rick Catlett said.

(edited by rikidozan on 23.11.02 0012)

(edited by rikidozan on 23.11.02 0015)

Wrestling has been rhyming with ass. I miss shows and it makes me all shades of ambivalence. WWE is starting to suck again. The crops?
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Wouldn't tiebreaker be determined by head-to-head, and didn't FSU beat Maryland?







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    Originally posted by TheCow
    Wouldn't tiebreaker be determined by head-to-head, and didn't FSU beat Maryland?



The official ACC website

The ACC football champion is the team that finishes the season with the highest winning percentage in conference games. If more than one team has the same winning percentage, the tied teams are declared co-champions.

In order to determine the conference's representative to the Bowl Championship Series (BCS), the procedured listed below will be followed. All references to ranking refer to BCS standings released after the regular season is completed for all ACC members.



Two Way Tie (between Teams A & B)

1. Team A defeats Team B and is ranked higher -- Team A earns the BCS bid
2. Team A defeats Team B and is ranked lower, but in the Top 10 -- Team A earns bid (*except if Team B is ranked No. 1 or No. 2 in the BCS standings, then Team B earns the BCS bid).
3. Team A defeats Team B and is ranked lower, but is ranked five or fewer positions below Team B -- Team A earns the BCS bid.
4. Team A defeats Team B and is ranked lower, and more than five positions below Team B -- Team B earns the BCS bid.

If two teams have the same ranking, or both are unranked, the bid goes to the team that has won the head-to-head game.
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Maryland can only hope for a FSU loss, win out the season, and get Situation #4 above...

ya, it's silly, that's why there needs to be a conference split, (Clemson, Duke, NC, NCSU, Wake Forest) /(FSU, Maryland, Virginia, Georgia Tech), and have a championship game. that way, the schools can get more non conf games...and pad their SOS by not playing a carolina team until the end of the season.

duke and NC are both 2-9 (0-7) and that really brings down a teams SOS by playing them.

but, Maryland played Wofford, and that's gonna bring down their SOS too. remember, it's only Div IA wins, and ALL Div I losses.

Woffard is 0-3 and their opponents are 8-46 for SOS purposes.


Trivia:
Woffard is from the Southern Conf, the same conf the ACC broke off of in 1953. Clemson, Duke, Maryland, North Carolina, North Carolina State, South Carolina and Wake Forest were the charter members.

Virginia was added near the end of 1953, and in 1971 the Gamecocks left, the only school to do so.
GA Tech joined in 1978, and they left the SEC back in 64
and FSU was the last addition in 91.

does anyone know what conf FSU was in prior to the ACC?

i only really started paying attention to college ball in 1999, so all this stuff is new to me. i only followed the basketball for the tourney, i.e. $$$
any links to conference historys would be appricated



(edited by rikidozan on 23.11.02 0414)

(edited by rikidozan on 23.11.02 0427)

Wrestling has been rhyming with ass. I miss shows and it makes me all shades of ambivalence. WWE is starting to suck again. The crops?
Jeezum Spice! Someone stole my crops. What in the ham fat is going on. That's just poo-doo!
That's just my 2.4856 Yen.
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    Originally posted by CubsWoo

    #2 12-0 Ohio State (-4.5) vs. #9 9-2 Michigan, Over/Under = 41

    The big game in the Shoe. Expect a healthy Clarett to run all over a shaky Michigan run D and the fact that it's a home game to propel the Buckeyes to the win.
    Prediction: Ohio State 24, Michigan 13

    #3 9-1 Washington State (-8.5) vs. 6-5 Washington, Over/Under = 60.5

    Washington is looking very good after spanking Oregon, but I think Wazzou keeps their BCS title game hopes alive with a win here.
    Prediction: Washington State 31, Washington 27#7 8-2 USC at #24 7-3 UCLA (+5.5), Over/Under = 52.5

    USC can make the Rose Bowl if they win out. UCLA needs to win and get help from Washington. USC takes care of business and gets ready for Notre Dame.
    Prediction: USC 24, UCLA 21



If Ohio State beats like Michigan like you say then they will be in the Championship game against Miami.

So USC then can't win the Pac 10 and go to the Rose Bowl by winning out. UCLA and USC BOTH need help to get ahead of Washington State. As a matter of fact I THINK that Washington State has to lose BOTH of their two remaining games for either USC or UCLA to win. Because just one loss would tie USC and Washington State and Washington State won head to head. Now if Washington State goes to the Championship game then USC could go to the Rose Bowl, but that means either Ohio State or Miami losses.


SO here are my predictions...

Michigan 24 Ohio State 21
Washington 27 Washington State 17
Texas Tech 42 Oklahoma 27
USC 38 UCLA 21
Notre Dame 17 Rutgers 6
Kansas State 35 Missouri 17
FSU 28 NC State 10
Colorado State 27 New Mexico 10
Penn State 28 Michigan State 20
Virginia 28 Maryland 17
Ole Miss 27 LSU 10 (Ole Miss becomes eligible with a win? It's just 6 wins that makes you eligible? Doesn't seem right that a 6 - 6 team can go to a bowl game. They should increase it to 7 wins)
TCU 27 East Carolina 14
Cincinati 24 Hawaii 21



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ya, 6-6 makes you elegible, but keep in mind that a 6-6 team is only eligible if it is needed to fill a spot from its own conference and no other teams with better records are available.

FYI, there are only 56 bowl spots.



Wrestling has been rhyming with ass. I miss shows and it makes me all shades of ambivalence. WWE is starting to suck again. The crops?
Jeezum Spice! Someone stole my crops. What in the ham fat is going on. That's just poo-doo!
That's just my 2.4856 Yen.
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Quezzy, the reason why UCLA would go to the Rose Bowl if Wazzu loses out is simple:

If they beat USC, USC finishes with 2 losses. UCLA then beats Wazzu next week - and assuming Wazzu loses to Washington (which I don't think happens) - then UCLA owns the head-to-head tiebreakers over both teams; hence, UCLA gets the Rose Bowl bid. Not likely, but still plausible.

"Only 56 bowl spots" - riki, you just crack me up sometimes.
And I must say the ACC is incredibly backwards about that - it's the most messed up thing I've heard.

Oh, and I second that TCU is the most underrated team in the NCAA right now.







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Yeah I understand how UCLA and USC CAN both win, but what i said is that if Washington State wins just once or not at all that they will go to the Rose Bowl. Which was in response to CubsWoo saying that if USC would go if they won out.

Man all this Pac 10 talk makes me really wish i was watching that USC/UCLA game right about now. BUt like usual, all I got is a stupid ACC game. I guess why there is so much East Coast biased. How can I watch any west coast games when there aren't any on!!

Oh well, i will have to settle for watching USC's women's volleyball team play Arizona.

I'm guessing that what riki means by only 56 bowl spots is that there aren't that many 7 win teams, so they have to accept 6 win teams too? Still, it does seem funny...ONLY 56 bowl spots. If there were that many bowl spots in the NFL then some teams would have to play twice!



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This took approximately forever to find, and I don't even know if it's right, but on the official FSU football site...

I found an "All-South Independant" team listing that looked a lot like the all-conference teams. Now, whether this means they were in the Southern Conference or they did the teams differently, I'm not sure of.

I'll tentatively say they were in the Southern Conference, but if someone wants to prove me wrong, feel free.

EDIT: Found a link.

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oh well, FSU lost and still took the ACC title. they get the BCS bid, and MD limps into the Gator bowl, as they already announced that they're taking MD if they don't get the BCS bid...i'm happy/sad. whoopie, they could win the gator bowl, but to me, it's nat'l champs or bust...

vote me for playoff...i was hopeing bowling green would go undefeated to spur on that mantra...now all we need is for Miami to lose to Va Tech and throw that whole "who's the best 1-loss team" debate into the aream....

go VA TECH!


also, ya, there are a ton of bowl bids. almost half of the I-A teams will make a bowl this year 56/117

so, ya, that's why they're taking 6-6 teams. too many bowls, not enough elibible teams. i think there will be 3 or 4 6-6 teams sitting at home, but if you limp into .500, you should be sitting at home.



Wrestling has been rhyming with ass. I miss shows and it makes me all shades of ambivalence. WWE is starting to suck again. The crops?
Jeezum Spice! Someone stole my crops. What in the ham fat is going on. That's just poo-doo!
That's just my 2.4856 Yen.
R-D-Z
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Was really happy for Duke. Thought they had blown it with that crazy NC touchdown near the end, was a great comeback drive for Duke after that. That said, I hope they get crushed this weekend.
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