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http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/24271577-419/torre-la-russa-cox-elected-to-baseball-hall.html

Tony LaRussa, Bobby Cox and Joe Torre all get elected to the Baseball HOF. All three had great careers and deserve this honor!



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The three managers are all clearly very deserving candidates so obviously their elections are no problem....but it's bullcrap that Marvin Miller continues to be snubbed by these various HOF voting groups. (I also would've voted in Tommy John, to boot.)



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Mattingly. AL MVP and runner up MVP the next year. Still, won't get in all the while being the face of the most famous franchise for almost a decade. Someone explain that to me. Oh yeah, now a post season manger. Here is his stats.

222 HR, .307 BA, 1099 RBI, 1985 AL MVP, 6xAllStar, 9xGG.

The MLB HOF is a fucking joke. Good for the managers, each one of them deserves to be in.

(edited by lotjx on 9.12.13 1046)


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    Originally posted by http://socraticgadfly.blogspot.com/2013/12/donnie-baseball-now-donnie-delusional.html


    "When I retired [after the 1995 season], I was 34," Mattingly told ESPN. "If I had kept playing another five years, I may have ended up with 3,000 hits and reached some other milestones and gotten in. I made the decision for my boys, because I wanted to be around.

    "When you do that type of thing, you know what you're doing, you know you're not going to make the Hall of Fame. If I was worried about making the Hall of Fame, I wouldn't have retired."


Forget the rest of the article, if you read the Mattingly quote on it's own you can see that he knows he's not going to the hall.

The rest of the arguments are pretty compelling, too (but a bit more incendiary).




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    Originally posted by lotjx
    Mattingly. AL MVP and runner up MVP the next year. Still, won't get in all the while being the face of the most famous franchise for almost a decade. Someone explain that to me. Oh yeah, now a post season manger. Here is his stats.

    222 HR, .307 BA, 1099 RBI, 1985 AL MVP, 6xAllStar, 9xGG.

    The MLB HOF is a fucking joke. Good for the managers, each one of them deserves to be in.

    (edited by lotjx on 9.12.13 1046)


Mattingly has four elite-level seasons, about four more very good seasons and that's it. He's overrated because he played for the Yankees and is remembered so fondly by that generation of New York fans as the only bright light in that era of crappy Yankees baseball. A very good player who did have those four amazing seasons, but not a HOFer.



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    Originally posted by Big Bad
      Originally posted by lotjx
      Mattingly. AL MVP and runner up MVP the next year. Still, won't get in all the while being the face of the most famous franchise for almost a decade. Someone explain that to me. Oh yeah, now a post season manger. Here is his stats.

      222 HR, .307 BA, 1099 RBI, 1985 AL MVP, 6xAllStar, 9xGG.

      The MLB HOF is a fucking joke. Good for the managers, each one of them deserves to be in.

      (edited by lotjx on 9.12.13 1046)


    Mattingly has four elite-level seasons, about four more very good seasons and that's it. He's overrated because he played for the Yankees and is remembered so fondly by that generation of New York fans as the only bright light in that era of crappy Yankees baseball. A very good player who did have those four amazing seasons, but not a HOFer.


I disagree. MLB has put people in the HOF for having two great seasons, he had almost eight years of good to great work as well as being an AL MVP and a runner up to Clemens in his prime. He was a multiple All Star with almost double digit golden gloves. If the Yankees were any good, he would be in like most of the old timers.



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    Originally posted by lotjx
    79 HR, .295 BA, 1010 R, 1985 NL MVP, 4xAllStar, 3xGG.
Agreed. Willie McGee was robbed.
    Originally posted by lotjx
    MLB has put people in the HOF for having two great seasons
Name them.



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HOF Tests per Baseball-Reference.com

Black ink - Mattingly 23; average HOFer 27
Grey ink - Mattingly 111; average HOFer 144
Hall of Fame Monitor - Mattingly 134; average HOFer 100
Hall of Fame Standards - Mattingly 34; average HOFer 5

Most similar player, with a score of 933, Cecil Cooper. Cooper's scores on the above measures were 12, 112, 96, and 28, respectively.

I'm not seeing it. He was pretty good, though.
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Agreed. Mattingly was a terrific player for a few seasons, but he's in the Hall of the Very Good.



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