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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.00
TNA Turning Point 11.09.2008.

- Scott Steiner cuts a small introductory promo about why the MEM are together. He says they're bound by mutual respect.

1. X-Division Seeding Match: Sonjay Dutt v Eric Young v Jay Lethal v Consequences Creed v Petey Williams v Homicide v Volador v Hiroshi Tanahashi v Jimmy Rave v Doug Williams
- Volador pinned Sonjay with a SUPER Rana.
- Rave pinned Volador with Rock the World.
- Williams pinned Rave with the Chaos Theory.
- Homicide overshot a crowd dive and killed himself.
- Petey pinned Creed with the Canadian Destroyer.
- Tanahashi pinned Petey with the Frog Splash.
- Jay pinned Tanahashi with a rollup.
- Eric pinned Williams with his Wheelbarrow suplex thing.
- Eric pinned Jay with a Northern Lights suplex for the win and the number 1 contender spot.
This was fun, and fast, and very much a spotfest. But it had nice execution and was just what the doctor ordered as far the opener was concerned. Pretty much anything that gets more X-Division on my TV is good. Eric railed on the MEM after the win, putting over the X-division. Me like.

- Jeff Jarrett and Mick Foley discuss the responsibilities of the founders of a wrestling organization. Make your own joke.

2. Taylor Wilde and Roxxi over Awesome Kong and Raisha Saeed when Wilde pinned Saeed with a Bridging German.
That German was SICK. For the first time in a while, the ladies got the time to really show what they can do.

- JJ and the MEM rail on each other.

3. Grudge Match: Rhino over Sheik Abdul Bashir via GORE.
I was lost as to the purpose of this match. There was a strange ICP/Scott Hall sighting. They advanced the crazy ref angle with Bashir and Shane Sewell, but that could've been done in an X-Division title match. If they wanted to keep Rhino strong, it should not have happened at the expense of the X-Division Champion. At this rate, the X-Division title will go the same route at the WWE Tag Titles, if it isn't there already.

- The MCMG rail on...Mick Foley?! Huh?

4. Tag Titles: Beer Money over MCMG via Powerbomb/Suplex/Cutter (DUI, I think).
This was good tag wrestling. These are two great teams and they clicked in the ring tonight. Getting more than fifteen minutes helped too.

- Booker T (and his kickass robe) give a small promo.

5. Legends Title: Booker T over Christian Cage via rollup + tights.
It was mainly slow, but I'll forgive that as it was the right booking decision, with several interesting possibilities for the future.

- Promo with Abyss and Matt Morgan. It was appropriately creepy, especially with Abyss talking about replacing the puss in his wounds with Angle's blood. Not too sure about the hygenical concerns about that one, but to each his own.
I agree with Karlos that Morgan/Abyss should join The Originals to add size in that equation.

6. Falls Count Anywhere: Kurt Angle over Abyss via Uppercut Through a Table.
It was longish, but it had the crowd. It was a lot like the WWE main-event style, but I'm a fan of that style, so I was impressed. Abyss can really bring it in this hardcore setting.

- Joe speaks. He says he will get it done tonight.

7. Kevin Nash over Samoa Joe via ref bump, low blow, AND ropes.
This was great by Nash's standards. I also love how Joe got screwed but not buried. He looked incredibly strong in the loss and it was established that there was no way Nash could beat him one-on-one.

- Sting says his will is stronger than that of AJ.

8. World Title: Sting over AJ Styles via rollup after missed Pele.
Great back-and-forth stuff to complete the MEM sweep. AJ looks very disappointed afterwards. No beatdown by MEM and no Christopher Daniels.

** Well, this was probably TNA's best PPV to date, both in terms of storyline advancement and in terms of in-ring quality. I haven't seen so many correct booking decisions on a TNA show in a long time. This MEM storyline seems to have revitalized TNA for the time being, and I for one cannot wait to see where it goes.

** Great show. Lets go with 7.5/10. Enthusiastically Recommended.

(edited by used2bcool on 9.11.08 2332)

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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
I thought this show was really good. I've already typed this up, so I'll just tack it on here.

Eric Young becomes the #1 contender by winning a 10-man elimination match -- standard X Division fun. I'm not a big Young fan, but he seems to have shed the "Super Eric" character completely, which is a good thing.

Here are the eliminations and new rankings (for as much as they will matter):
#10 Sonjay Dutt (Volador, Huracanrana)
#9 Volador (Jimmy Rave, Move That Rocked the World)
#8 Jimmy Rave (Doug Williams, Chaos Theory)
#7 Homicide (wiped out, injured, can't continue [kayfabe, I think])
#6 Consequences Creed (Petey Williams, Canadian Destroyer)
#5 Petey Williams (Tanahashi, Frog Splash)
#4 Tanahashi (Jay Lethal, small package)
#3 Doug Williams (Eric Young, Wheelbarrow Neckbreaker)
#2 Jay Lethal (Eric Young, Northern Lights)
#1 Eric Young

So the moral is: don't pin anyone, because you're probably next! Also, Doug Williams looks kinda like DDP to me.

Awesome Kong and Raisha Saeed vs. Roxxi and Taylor Wilde: Rhaka Khan is out with Kong and while it would make a lot of sense for Khan to take Saeed's place in the match I'm glad they didn't go that way. Wilde German Suplexes Saeed OUT of her BOOTS for the pin. They should give that a name (Taylor Made! Wilde Thing!).

Abdul Bashir vs. Rhino: Eh. I was kinda wondering if there would be a Rhino heel turn but abandoned that idea once they had an Iraqi war veteran introduce Rhino (and Rhino failed to gore him). Didn't they get the memo? It's a new day in America and this shit is played. Also, the Insane Clown Posse and Scott Hall (!!!) showed up in the front row for this match, and the next one, and then they vanished. Didn't really play like an angle, so maybe they just bought tickets. Oh, Rhino won with a gore.

Motor City Machine Guns vs. Beer Money: One of the best matches I've seen this year, and certainly the best tag match. Both teams looked really great. MMG finally got to really show their stuff and Robert Roode, in particular, bumped like crazy for it. Beer Money finally won with the DWI (cutter/powerbomb combo).

Booker T vs. Christian Cage: Eh. Booker won with a rollup. Cage is now a part of the Main Event Mafia, and has to show up for a meeting at 8:00 tomorrow morning.

Kurt Angle vs. Abyss: Wow, if you needed proof of Kurt Angle's insanity, check out Angle's HUGE flip dive off the stage onto Abyss -- HUGE. It was beautiful, and awesome, and perfectly executed, and still makes me really nervous for Kurt and I wish he's stop doing that sort of thing. Kurt finally won by knocking Abyss off a platform and through the Spanish Announce Table. Great brawl.

Samoa Joe vs. Kevin Nash: Pretty close to the best Nash match I can imagine at this point. Great storytelling here, as Nash is dominated but manages to get the upperhand through subterfuge, finally pinning Joe with repeated head shots into an exposed turnbuckle, TWO Jackknife Powerbombs, and a low blow -- and Nash STILL has to use the ropes.

Sting vs. AJ Styles: Sting still wants to be the face, "WHOOO"ing to the crowd. Match is okay, but suffers in comparison to some of the matches earlier. Styles was momentarily distracted by Angle and Booker, and then missed the Pele (first time ever?), allowing Sting to roll him up for the pin. Main Event Mafia sweeps the PPV!

Good stuff, overall.


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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.35
I forgot there was a PPV and only ended up watching the Joe/Nash match. It might be the best Nash match we can expect, but it is still garbage and too bad Joe has to be spinning his wheels in a feud with Kevin Nash. The match told a story, but it was just a really slow story.

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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.49
The whole Sting won't be a heel is so ridiculous. I almost think that TNA hasn't even told him he's a heel. They probably sent Booker and Kurt out there and told them not to let Sting see them so he didn't know they were up to heel antics.

Actually this would explain Sting's actions if this were the actual angle. It's revealed that the Main Event Mafia told Sting they were good guys and he believed them and doesn't realize they are bad. It would basically be like the tv show Alias with Sting as Sydney Bristow the TNA Originals as the CIA and the Main Event Mafia as SD-6. Angle can be Sloane and Steiner can be Marshall the tech guy just because it would be funny for Steiner to explain how the gadgets work each week.

I basically agree with what everyone else said. I didn't think they were really any bad matches, just a few that didn't click right. I guess Booker and Christian was disappointing considering you would think they've been in the ring together at some point in their WWE days.

No Daniels at all. If you're not going to let him do the Originals thing then at least let Curry Man in the X Division match.

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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.16
    Originally posted by Quezzy
    The whole Sting won't be a heel is so ridiculous. I almost think that TNA hasn't even told him he's a heel. They probably sent Booker and Kurt out there and told them not to let Sting see them so he didn't know they were up to heel antics.

Well, if there's ever been a character in wrestling made out to be gullible enough for this to work, its Sting. If only they could do a montage of every time someone hoodwinked him over the last 2 decades, it would prove the point and last about 13 minutes.

Speaking of Sting, it is nice to see Samoa Joe slowly turning into the new Sting. Easily fooled and unable to ever win in the big match. I guess that kind of makes him like a combination of Sting and Lex Luger.

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