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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.86
I watched the PPV last night, then listened to the LAW (wrestling radio show up here in Canada), and man, did they lambaste it, I think really unfairly. OK, the last match sucked, but the rest of the card was pretty good.

The guys on the show talked about how Nash beat Sabin, but failed to mention that Nash gave Sabin a lot of offence and the only reason why he won was because of outside interference by Shelley. Even the commentators said that the only thing Nash proved was that he could be Sabin with interference. They also talked about how this will lead to Nash beating everyone and losing to Joe, but I think this is going to lead to a Nash/Shelley match.

Also, they crapped on the Steiner/Joe match, but I thought it was real good. They talked about the how he just rolled him up after a hotshot, but Joe beat him clean with a powerslam. I have to give TNA credit. They used Steiner real well and the crowd was WAY into it. When Joe started with his first flurry, the crowd ate it up. TNA fucks up a lot of things, but they've made Joe a star.

Overall, I liked it. Joe/Senshi should be great, and although the end of the last match deserved to be in 1997, it looks like it will lead to some World Title Tournament. Perhaps this is their way to transition the title to someone new.

Anyway, just wondering if anyone even watched the show?



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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.75
Here are some more thoughts from a demented mind in Central Florida:
A while back, for Wrestlemania XX, I made a review post talking about the rule of recency (the idea that the last thing you say or do is what sticks in people's mind, and they forget most of the garbage in the middle). Tonight's PPV was a classic example of the rule of recency in action.

And before I go on, I will state that TNA got a lot of things right tonight. The super-hot NWA World Tag Team Championship match. The opening brawl between Team 3D and the James Gang, shameless homer cheap heat from Brother Ray notwithstanding. The six-man X-Division contender's match. Even the Rhino handicap match was good for what it was worth. I was at the concession stand for the Sabin/Nash match, so I can't honestly say anything about it.

Joe vs. Steiner - ugh. Good match, with a lousy ending. False finish with the double-standing ten-count. And the powerslam out of nowhere? So Steiner gets to quasi-shoot on Joe, call him a "half breed," but Joe has to get a weak (albeit clean) pin out of nowhere? And Steiner's the only King of the Mountain contender that didn't get pinned in losing his contenders' match. So Steiner can dish it out, but he can't really take it when it comes to jobbing? Once again, Steiner's true colors (that of a complete asshole) "shine" through again.

And the King of the Mountain match was actually a fun little match until the total schmoz at the end. Boy, if TNA ever had an idea of putting the belt back on Jarrett, the near riot in Orlando should hopefully put the kibosh on that. And boy, Earl Hebner needs to learn to get past being a one-trick pony, or he deserves every chant of, "You screwed (wrestler's name here)" he gets. And why the fuck did we have to have Larry Zybisco (sp?) in the middle of this, too?

I don't know if this came across on TV, but there were a lot of idiots in the Impact Zone that just had to boo the faces and cheer the heels (Nash/Sabin, Joe/Steiner being notable examples). Way to go, numbskulls.

FYI - the poster for next month's PPV features Sting, Christian Cage, Scott Steiner, and Jeff Jarrett. Make of that what you will.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.29
Who was the new director of authority, or whatever gimmick it was supposed to be?
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.80
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Who was the new director of authority, or whatever gimmick it was supposed to be?

Try http://www.tnawrestling.com/fullnews.php?home=712 - or Google - or something




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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Who was the new director of authority, or whatever gimmick it was supposed to be?
Jim Cornette is the new "Public Face of TNA Management."

I thought the show was slightly disappointing, although I went into it with really high hopes.

KotM was so chaotic that it almost seemed random. Camermen missed lots of things. Hebner screws Sting! Hebner screws Christian! Eh.

The fans littered the ring with soda bottles when Jarrett won the match -- I know that's really bad form, but it was a really cool visual.

    Originally posted by FLRockAndLaw
    Joe has to get a weak (albeit clean) pin out of nowhere?
Steiner vs. Joe was alright -- I don't think the pin was weak, though -- I mean, Joe pinned Steiner with one of his transition moves -- if anything, that makes Steiner look worse, doesn't it? I guess Scott wasn't into taking the Muscle Buster -- too bad.

Nash vs. Sabin went about the way I imagined it -- now the question is, does Sabin get a second chance, or does Nash move on?

    Originally posted by FLRockAndLaw
    I don't know if this came across on TV, but there were a lot of idiots in the Impact Zone that just had to boo the faces and cheer the heels (Nash/Sabin, Joe/Steiner being notable examples). Way to go, numbskulls.
Yeah, especially during the Nash/Sabin match -- there were a TON of "Sabin Sucks" chants, which is what makes me wonder if Nash moves on to someone else.

AMW vs. Styles and Daniels was really good -- match of the night by a really wide margin. I would've gotten the Gail Kim/Neutralizer segment out of the way earlier just so the momentum wasn't interrupted there, but other than that, no complaints from me.

X Div. rankings match was, for the first half or so, the X Division at its worst -- spotty, cutesy (with the "6-pack suplex"), and sloppy. It picked up once half the participants were eliminated and it really put Senshi over strong.

I still don't understand why Sharkboy was in the match when it could have been -- well, geez, anyone else in the entire world. Skipper, Bentley, Clark, Devine, Puma...the list goes on.

Rhino/Roode and James Gang/3D were adequate. Cornette's promo was good.

So, yeah -- kept me interested, pretty solid, not a classic.

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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.31
    Originally posted by Karlos the Jackal


      Originally posted by FLRockAndLaw
      I don't know if this came across on TV, but there were a lot of idiots in the Impact Zone that just had to boo the faces and cheer the heels (Nash/Sabin, Joe/Steiner being notable examples). Way to go, numbskulls.
    Yeah, especially during the Nash/Sabin match -- there were a TON of "Sabin Sucks" chants, which is what makes me wonder if Nash moves on to someone else.



Ok sure it can be annoying when people cheer for all heels just to spite the company but the cases you're talking about here doesn't necessarily fit into the same category. It just so happens that at the height of their popularity, the two heels in those matches (Nash and Steiner) have been over about 100 times more than Sabin and Joe. It's very possible that people actually LIKE Nash and Steiner. Yeah Joe is hot and a fan favorite but Steiner is still a much bigger name with more fans. And there is even a wider margin between Nash and Sabin which is why it was even more evident in that match. And I don't think there is anything idiotic about cheering for a wrestler you like whether he's a heel or a face.

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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.99
Why do some people think that the wrestlers and referees have any real say in how they're booked? Quit with the speculation. I've been backstage in the presence of shows being booked. I can testify this is nonsense. Hebner, Steiner, and everyone else did what TNA writers (D'Amore and Tenay, maybe others) believed would be the best way to use them in the show. Don't believe the hype.

About the PPV: in the bar I watched this at, guys like Sting, Steiner, and AJ Styles/Chris Daniels got the biggest reactions. People had a lovefest going for Sting and Steiner. I liked AMW/AJ/Daniels best.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.46
I'm not sure why it has to be that Earl did a screw job? Isn't it possible that Earl and Rudy Charles have two different perspectives on this?

Earl: Unconscious when Sting pinned Jarrett. Thus, does not believe Sting has a right to climb the ladder, probably did a couple perfunctory warnings, and then finally pushed him over. Having not seen Jarrett be pinned, he's got no problem with HIM climbing the ladder.

Rudy: Sting pinned Jarrett. Sting has the right to climb, and Jarrett should be in the penalty box, thus he should not have won.

Also, didn't Joe power out of the Steiner Recliner?



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.67
    Originally posted by DirtyMikeSeaver
    TNA fucks up a lot of things, but they've made Joe a star.
Heh, I hate to step on an honest defense of a much-maligned company, and I seriously have absolutely nothing against TNA, but is this really true? Seems more like Joe made Joe a star. I seem to recall that he was way over instantly after they brought him in -- all TNA has done is fail to screw it up. (Of course, choosing to bring him in in the first place was a very good decision.)



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.93
It was a very good PPV save for the shitty and inconclusive ending.

Joe vs. Steiner. The ending was fine. Steiner was in the Kojita clutch for quite a long time, and they were both taking a lot of punishment before then. The match did a great job of making JOE the underdog for once and he was just barely able to get the win. The powerslam winning the match came across fine after Joe was barely able to power out of the Steiner Recliner into an electric chair hotshot and was able to get the pin on Steiner. It was a good match and it served its purpose.

And TNA has made Joe a star. Joe was big before he came into TNA yes, but TNA gave him 5 star booking. Right when he came in he started having great and awesome matches, which showed he can have competitive matches with X division guys but still look like an unstoppable monster. Then the feuds with AJ Styles and Daniels which also produced some great matches.

Then they did the perfect booking in putting Joe as Sting's tag team partner and had him beat Jeff Jarrett clean at Sacrifice. So yes, TNA did make Joe into their own superstar.

As for the crowds, yes quite a lot of people were cheering for Steiner and it came across on TV, but Joe was still getting plenty of reaction as well.

X division ranking, I feel the first half which featured Alex Shelley was the best. After Shelley was the second guy eliminated I felt the match deflated a great deal. Shelley looked the most impressive and did a lot of great stuff to me and he's really gone above and beyond in separating himself in and outside the ring from other X division competitors. The best spot in that whole match was when Shelley did a rope-burn on Dutt across the top rope. Even better was his promo after the match talking about how the guys in the ring used knives and gats on him.

The tag title match was a great match as well, and Styles and Daniels finally won which was the right way to go. I'm hoping we see some new faces with the tag titles soon though.

King of the Mountain match? It was all about Jarrett, Sting, and Christian. Abyss and The Truth basically became non-factors in the second half which is unfortunate. The ending just pissed me off and I really just want to say the hell with TNA. I hope Jarrett actually doesn't keep the title, but it's ridiculous that TNA can't even give us a real finish to the main event of their second biggest PPV of the year.

(edited by The Vile1 on 19.6.06 1512)
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
    Originally posted by Destrucity
    Heh, I hate to step on an honest defense of a much-maligned company, and I seriously have absolutely nothing against TNA, but is this really true? Seems more like Joe made Joe a star. I seem to recall that he was way over instantly after they brought him in -- all TNA has done is fail to screw it up. (Of course, choosing to bring him in in the first place was a very good decision.)
I dunno -- I'm not sure I see much practical difference between "doing things right" and "not doing things wrong."

    Originally posted by Quezzy
    And there is even a wider margin between Nash and Sabin which is why it was even more evident in that match.
Well, yeah. And so I wonder -- will the "Sabin sucks" chants be regarded as inevitable (no matter who Nash's opponent was), or as a sign that Sabin, specifically, has failed to connect with the crowd in any meaningful way? (And I'm not sure they'd be wrong.)

    Originally posted by Quezzy
    And I don't think there is anything idiotic about cheering for a wrestler you like whether he's a heel or a face.
I agree in principle, but on the other hand if you like a heel and you're "smart" enough -- or whatever -- to know what's going on, why not boo him? That's what he wants! Make him happy!

    Originally posted by hansen9j
    Earl: Unconscious when Sting pinned Jarrett. Thus, does not believe Sting has a right to climb the ladder, probably did a couple perfunctory warnings, and then finally pushed him over. Having not seen Jarrett be pinned, he's got no problem with HIM climbing the ladder.

    Rudy: Sting pinned Jarrett. Sting has the right to climb, and Jarrett should be in the penalty box, thus he should not have won.
That's excellent analysis and you make a really good point. I just hope this isn't leading up to a Cornette & Rudy Charles vs. Zbyszko & Hebner match. *shudder*

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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.31
    Originally posted by Destrucity
      Originally posted by DirtyMikeSeaver
      TNA fucks up a lot of things, but they've made Joe a star.
    Heh, I hate to step on an honest defense of a much-maligned company, and I seriously have absolutely nothing against TNA, but is this really true? Seems more like Joe made Joe a star. I seem to recall that he was way over instantly after they brought him in -- all TNA has done is fail to screw it up. (Of course, choosing to bring him in in the first place was a very good decision.)


I don't think you're giving TNA enough credit here. Joe would not be a star if TNA didn't sign him. Joe would not be a star if TNA didn't decide to put him on television. Joe wouldn't be a star if TNA hadn't pushed him and Joe wouldn't be a star if TNA hadn't put him in the matches they put him in. Joe was pretty popular when he first came in and after his first month and a win over Sabin he was picking up momentum. But AJ Styles was still the star, AJ Styles was still the most popular wrestler on the roster. But with just two months under his belt TNA put Samoa Joe over their number one star AJ, and it was that point that catapulted Joe to the number one spot. Then TNA booked the Daniels/Joe feud great with the bloody towel, then they booked Joe/AJ great with AJ standing up for the Division. Maybe the three way feud went an extra match or two long, but hey the worst that came out of it was another 4 or 5 star match. Then he was a great choice to be Sting's partner when people were expecting Bagwell or Luger and this feud with Steiner was booked great too.

Actually i would say TNA is currently doing a good job of booking all around, not just with Steiner. I haven't seen this ppv so I can't comment on the matches but just by looking at the results I would agree with the Vile1 that it was very good except for the ending, atleast booking-wise. Along with the Steiner thing Nash has been booked great in his feud with Sabin. How many people completely blasted the TNA for bringing back guys like Steiner and Nash? And yet they've made it work.

Shelley is in a great spot, Senshi is being made to look strong and they continue to figure out a way to use Daniels and AJ even though they are now out of the X Division but not quite in the main event picture.

The 3D and James Gang stuff was a lot fun, I think the Naturals loss was good booking too because a team shouldn't immediately be better just because they've had a coach for three days. They also found roles for Killings and Abyss. Raven and Monty didn't have ppv matches, but were used for the television shows and I'm sure they'll get their turn at at a ppv match next month, you just can't fit everyone on one card. And now they've got Cornette who should be an entertaining addition.

Ok, maybe Christian's title run has been disappointing, although I enjoyed the Abyss fued, I just thought it was overshadowed by Sting. But hey, they had Christian come out and call Sting out for the fact that he has overshadowed him. Seems to me they realize what happened and are making the best out of it by turning it into an angle which could lead to a feud between Christian and Sting, which is one of the biggest matches they could have with that roster.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.67
    Originally posted by Quezzy
    I don't think you're giving TNA enough credit here. Joe would not be a star if TNA didn't sign him. Joe would not be a star if TNA didn't decide to put him on television. Joe wouldn't be a star if TNA hadn't pushed him and Joe wouldn't be a star if TNA hadn't put him in the matches they put him in.
Yeah, you've got a point. Joe's continued overness did have to do with TNA's booking, but after reconsidering it, I also think it had a lot to do, maybe more to do, with Joe himself. Compare him to Brock Lesnar, for example. When the WWF brought Lesnar in, he wasn't over at all -- crowds were completely dead for him. But they got him over through sheer force of will. It's not a bad comparison, because the two of them don't have dissimilar demeanors.

I'll tell you something TNA did right: Keeping him a heel. I wouldn't have done that. The fans clearly wanted to love him. But the way things have developed, I think it's become obvious he wouldn't have worked as well as a babyface throughout his first year.



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