Since TNA supposedly listens to their wrestling fans, I thought it would be a good idea to brainstorm with you all here and come up with some suggestions which we could email to them. Here are mine.
#1 - Get Jeff Jarrett out of the World Title Picture all together:
Mr. Jarrett, with all due respect, is a decent heel talent, but he is not worthy of holding the world title for an up and coming promotion. And i've made this point before. The crowd isnt chanting boring because they like you Jeff, they really are bored.
#2 - Enough is enough with all the factions:
There are too many groups running around TNA as a whole. I dont like the Team Canada concept, I couldn't stand 3 Live Kru, and now we have Jeff Jarrett and all the TNA heels against the incoming talent. Its eerily reminiscent of the WCW days with the two NWO's and the ersatz Horsemen, etc. Tone down the cliques a little bit.
#3 - Be careful with whom you sign in the upcoming year:
Yes, I actually like Matt Morgan. There, I said it, I got sick and im over it. But he is a terrible fit for TNA, as he will expose a lot of the smaller, yet very talented, workers in the company, nevermind Abyss, who wouldn't be 6'8" in a pair of dominatrix boots LOL. Its been nice to see whom you have signed so far. Christian is over. Nice job so far with Rhino. Team 3-D, well its still a work in progress. Sting is good for name recognition, not much else. There are a lot of names out there without contracts or soon to be expiring contracts, but make sure they make a fit in the company.
And I heard a rumor about Teddy Hart, and please let it just be a rumor as he will kill that lockerroom's morale.
#4 - The shocker of all shockers (and ill get killed for it)
TRY TO CONVICE SHANE DOUGLAS TO RETURN TO IN RING ACTION!!!
I am a Shane Douglas mark, but not necessarily for his in ring work. I like the promos he cuts, I like his overall psychology. Right now, he looks like an idiot. But that could work out if the eventual goal was to make him a heel for one last run . See if it can be done.
I'm to the point where thinking Jarrett will finally be buried is an afterthought, or some fluke serious injury. But if he does go, please take Monty Brown with him. The dude is straight cheese. Cuts cheesy promos, a cheesy finisher, and nothing more. He may actually be worse to watch than Jarrett, and that's saying something.
I agree about the clusterfuck of factions, and all it leads to in the end is run-in after run-in. Team Canada should just officially rename themselves to Team Run-In, because that's usually the only time you ever see them on TV. Well that and the obligatory Canadian Destroyer spot that Petey Williams does.
Christian I think is getting it done, although I don't know if it's just me, but with the countdown before his entrance, does anyone else get the feeling he borrowed a little from Jericho??
I don't understand all the Jarrett hate, I mean I don't watch TNA all the time when I do catch it, Jarret seems to be the only guy who gets any kind of negative reaction at all, whether or not it's "X-pac heat" or not he's still the only one the fans seem to boo. Which brings me to my point and I think the biggest problem with TNA is the fans in the Impact Zone. They seem so concerned with being viewed as "Smarts" That they forget that wrestling is a show and the key to a good show is getting the fans to cheer the good guys and boo the bad guys now the only one getting 100% booed is Jarrett, I mean yes they boo Team Canada and then cheer Petey William's, the fans have to realize that they play a big part in the show, and that's one of the big reasons that I can't really get into watching TNA, I want good feuds and at the end of the day I want the good guy to stand tall, and unfortunately there seem to be only good guys and Jarrett.
I disagree that you can blame live crowds for TNA's problems. The fans are the fans and you can't do anything about them. Companies that think you can corral the fans inevitably suffer. The WWF thought that in the mid-'90s and died because of it until they came up with their "freedom of expression" concept -- and surprise, surprise, business went way up. Sure, the fans are fickle and can screw with your plans, but even thinking about it, much less trying to do anything about it, is useless. They'll do what they want. And guess what? They're not getting a paycheck. They're buying tickets, and you have to work with them.
So what are the problems with TNA? I could go into the obvious, no character development, why should we care about Bobby Roode, Jarrett always ends up with the belt, blah blah blah, but that's been said a million times. Not that it makes it any less valid, of course, but let me try to be more original. TV production is still a problem. I don't know if a lot of former WCW production people have come to work for TNA, but if so, boy, it sure shows. The Sahadi stuff is good, but most of the show looks like Worldwide circa 1996. (This, of course, is an upgrade from when it used to look like an indie show, but still not good enough.) Heh, I actually feel like it is 1996, because this is what I used to complain about on the Internet back then, but the camera-rocking-back-and-forth thing has to go and wrestlers have to be instructed not to get up close and scream into the camera as they walk to the ring. Also no shooting the wrestlers from below as they walk to make them look big -- you're not fooling anyone. The E is the gold standard in TV production. A budding wrestling company should be trying to copy them, not trying their own new things, because if the E isn't doing it, there's probably a reason. (I'm talking about the minor details here, the little things, not innovations like the six-sided ring or the tale-of-the-tape bit they used to do, which are pretty good ideas.)
Tenay and West have improved exponentially since they started. They're like a thousand times better than they were a few years ago. That said, they suck. I hear there are a few pretty good announcers on the indies -- why not grab one of them? (Really, they should have hired Joey Styles while they had the chance. As I said when the E put him on Raw, Styles completely renders moot everything people like about Tenay by proving you can be a geeky wrestling encyclopedia and still be a good announcer.) Shane Douglas, a charismatic wrestler if ever there was one, is shockingly a horrid backstage interviewer. Can him or get him some quaaludes. It's inexcusable if you can "see the acting" in a backstage interviewer.
They need to tour. The Impact Zone looks like a set, not an wrestling arena. That's because it is. There are lots of smallish venues out there where TNA could go. Don't rent the United Center, rent the UIC Pavilion. I realize they don't do this now because of financial considerations, but it's important. The Sting money could have been better spent on this. Even more important than the look and diversity it would provide, touring gets people in markets around the country excited about the product. You can't afford to seem regional when you have a show on national cable.
Outside of the production realm, there needs to be greater synergy between talent relations and creative. TNA actually used to be better at this than they are now -- the problem was that the creative sucked. It seems to be a bit better now, so why not give it another go? Here's the problem as I see it. An indie guy impresses talent relations with his wrestling skill and maybe, just maybe, charisma. So the indie guy gets a contract and gets to bring his gimmick lock, stock and barrel to TNA and creative is forced to work with it -- or not work with it, as the case may be. These gimmicks often ending up seeming very indie. Have you noticed that Christopher Daniels is nominally a dark priest, but it's never mentioned or even alluded to in storylines and when he opens his mouth he seems more like a store manager or an electronics salesman? This is because six or seven years ago, Christopher Daniels decided it'd be cool to be a dark priest, and nobody ever bothered to tell him that's not the best gimmick for him. I could probably sit around and think of 10 gimmicks off the top of my head that would be better for Christopher Daniels than "dark priest." Creative needs to start exercising some veto power and coming up with some new characters that take better advantage of the wrestler's persona and talents.
I'm actually really impressed with what TNA has done and believe me, I've noticed that at every point in their history, people have said "they'll be gone in six months" and then revise their doomsaying predictions when it doesn't happen. But there's always room for improvement.
Thanks for starting a thread where people can point out the same stuff they point in every single TNA thread. Really, I have never heard that nobody likes Jarrett and he needs to lose the belt, I had no idea the production wasn't good, and nobody has ever pointed out that Don West sucks.
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Originally posted by QuezzyThanks for starting a thread where people can point out the same stuff they point in every single TNA thread. Really, I have never heard that nobody likes Jarrett and he needs to lose the belt, I had no idea the production wasn't good, and nobody has ever pointed out that Don West sucks.
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Hey, all my observations were delightfully refreshing and original! I bet you've never heard anybody suggest the from-below camera angle has to go! And hardly anybody ever admits Tenay sucks!
Originally posted by DestrucityThey need to tour. The Impact Zone looks like a set, not an wrestling arena. That's because it is. There are lots of smallish venues out there where TNA could go. Don't rent the United Center, rent the UIC Pavilion. I realize they don't do this now because of financial considerations, but it's important. The Sting money could have been better spent on this. Even more important than the look and diversity it would provide, touring gets people in markets around the country excited about the product. You can't afford to seem regional when you have a show on national cable.
They do need to tour. It may hurt production values but I think it could help merch sales, pvv sales and the wrestlers development to be in front of different crowds each night.
I like Tenay and Styles.
I've only been watching TNA for a litle while but have they ever changed someone's gimmick when it wasn't working?
I think they need to bring in a barber too. And no, not Ed Leslie. Way too many guys have the same indy wrestler look to them, long mid 90's jobber hair, shiny tights, maybe a star or a name on their ass. Get these guys some haircuts. There definately needs to be more individuality. I think getting somebody else to write entrance music would be a plus as well. Ever wrestler comes out to pretty much the same generic rock track, it's hard to work up any excitement over a run in when you don't know who's music it is they're playing.
Some basic stuff. It's not just a matter of character differentiation, the guys in TNA all LOOK the same. They really need to make some effort there. The big thing I think they need to work on, though, is that practically no one there knows how to talk to the camera. They get in each other's way, they talk over each other when they're not supposed to, they block themselves by putting their backs to the camera when they don't have to, all real basic positioning that apparently no one ever mentioned to them. Not everyone makes it to a promotion with television, but these guys have and they need to learn what that means.
Originally posted by The ChiefI think getting somebody else to write entrance music would be a plus as well. Ever wrestler comes out to pretty much the same generic rock track, it's hard to work up any excitement over a run in when you don't know who's music it is they're playing.
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Maybe Jimmy Hart (if he isn't already), or does he have one of those WWE Legend contracts?
The only reason I dislike Jarrett is because he always seems to have the title around his waist. Outside of that, I really enjoy TNA's stuff, and I look forward to the spoilers...they determine whether I'll watch the shows on Saturday.
Oh, and when did TNA leave the NWA? I know that they hold the NWA titles, but outside of that, there's never any mention of the NWA anywhere.
What?!? Do all of you mean to tell me that all these generic looking guys who do nothing but high spots and have absolutely 0 charisma (**cough, Paul London, any TNA X star, most indy guys, cough**) aren't as good as the IWC and the indy scene touts them to be?
Well, knock me the heck over with a feather.
These are the people all of you say are the future of wrestling, yet none of them know how to incorporate basic psychology into a match or know how to cut a decent promo. This is the major and most consistent complaint I hear from people like Shane Douglas and Raven and some of the older vets of TNA on radio interviews...and it's incredibly true.
You can blame the writers all you want but at the end of the day, the majority of the blame lays with the wrestler and the fan because the wrestlers are the ones in the ring who dictate the match and it is the fans who have the the most say in who gets over. Unfortunately, they have no clue as to what should be over and what shouldn't.
I think it's incredibly stupid to hear about AJ Styles and Cena getting booed when it was those same fans who cheered them from heels to faces and then turn on them because their nature is not to be faces to begin with. Same with Christian, except that he wasn't booed so much as the fact that he just should have stayed a heel.
10 to 1 would be that if someone like Cena became a heel again, everyone would cheer the hell out of him and you'd have people all over the IWC saying to turn him face and cash in on it.
TNA and WWE aren't the only ones stuck in 1998 thinking that every heel-to-face is going to explode and be popular.
The problem is fans nowadays want to be ECW fans and think they are just as much a part of the show as the wrestlers.
The truth is, wrestling fans don't know what they want...ever. And it's not just as simple as to say, "Well, they are finicky." It's because none of you (in the general sense) can just sit down and cheer who you're supposed to and boo who you are supposed to.
Maybe wrestling should just go to heels always winning over faces, just some people will quit complaining that so and so isn't getting over or getting stale.
I agree that TNA needs a barber and a tailor -- everyone comes in from the indie scene pretty much intact, with the same look and the same gimmick and everything.
It's very rare -- especially since the early days (e.g., The Johnsons) -- that TNA has attempted to "create" a gimkmick and cast wrestlers to fill it, or to radically alter someone's pre-existing gimmick. The only instance that comes to mind at all is repackaging Ryan Wilson as Trytan.
And that sucked. And the Johnsons sucked. And usually, when a gimmick sucks that bad, there's no repackaging attempt at all; the wrestler is simply dropped (See also: The Dupps).
These failures, and the fact that wrestlers are signed to non-exclusive gimmicks, and the fact that their fans are generally more familiar with ROH and the indie scene, probably make TNA management loath to attempt major gimmick changes.
STILL. I think they've got to do something about it. I watched the 6-man tag from Impact two weeks ago -- the one with "Gen Next" vs. Styles, Daniels, and Sabin -- and ALL SIX guys were wearing black trunks, black kneepads, and black boots. My wife watched it too -- she doesn't watch much wrestling, but there are guys she likes and she'll watch a match all the way through if there are people in it she likes and there's lots of flippy-flippy. She knows who Styles and Daniels and Sabin are, but, "I can't tell any of these guys apart," she said.
And, yeah, that's a problem. I've been watching Chris Sabin for a couple of years now, and...what is his deal, now? He's from Michigan, and...and...come on, even Paul London has more of a personality than that. (And I LIKE Sabin.)
I do think that Whattaburger's claim that every TNA X star is generic looking, does nothing but high spots, and has absolutely 0 charisma is REALLY overstating things, but it's a claim that could be at least partially leveled at half the division, and yeah, that's a problem.
The bucket of bleach that they apparently have in back for the Xers to randomly stick their heads in is not a solution.
My only other real problem with TNA these days is the shitty shitty finishes we've been getting lately, especially at Final Resolution. MAN, what shitty finishes those were. I mean, even for being "Sportz Entertainment," those finishes just made no sense at all (I'm thinking particularly of the AMW / 3D match, here).
These types of finishers don't seem to affect the X Division much -- I suppose it's because, again, these guys have no characters, so the goofy finishes -- being character-driven -- simply don't apply.
I guess what I'd like to see are the two halves of TNA -- and there's a pretty definite and stark dividing line there -- edge a little more towards the middle.
Originally posted by OliverOh, and when did TNA leave the NWA? I know that they hold the NWA titles, but outside of that, there's never any mention of the NWA anywhere.
According to Wikipedia, TNA "withdrew from the NWA in 2004, in the process acquiring the rights to the NWA World Heavyweight Championship and NWA World Tag Team Championships until the year 2014."
Originally posted by Y2J 420Maybe TNA should admit they truly aren't a viable alternative as they claim they are...
Or, even better, maybe TNA can finally release all those hidden PPV buys...they released one (around 90,000 buys)...
What does this have to do with anything else?
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Originally posted by WhattaburgerI think it's incredibly stupid to hear about AJ Styles and Cena getting booed when it was those same fans who cheered them from heels to faces and then turn on them because their nature is not to be faces to begin with. Same with Christian, except that he wasn't booed so much as the fact that he just should have stayed a heel.
10 to 1 would be that if someone like Cena became a heel again, everyone would cheer the hell out of him and you'd have people all over the IWC saying to turn him face and cash in on it.
Not to hijack the thread, but to claim that Cena's being booed now just because he's a face isn't correct.
Cena was getting cheered as a heel because his promos were entertaining, mainly because of their edginess. Then as a face they became just the same gay joke every night with the opponent's name changed like a mad lib. As a heel Cena wasn't put over top of arguably the most respected and entertaining wrestler the company has for months on end, in every match possible and under any circumstances. Cena as a heel also wasn't pushed down our throats as "The Next Austin, damn it!" until the fans were FORCED to boo everything he did to send a message to Vince.
The guy's got tons of charisma, but when Edge and Christian were asked last year if they thought he *could* be as big as the Rock or Austin, they each said "yes" immediately, but also followed it by "But not with this gimmick" saying that the fans couldn't connect with it the way that they could with the other two. If guys who are on tv to pump the company lines couldn't say this was the gimmick to shove down our throats, the WWE was stupid to go ahead with it anyways and not expect a backlash after a year (I'm surprised it took as long as it did).
Anyways, TNA's fans ARE very 'Worst of ECW fans'ish. So touring would certainly help the show look a lot fresher and probably make things easier for creative to deal with. Of course, with that, the costs start shooting up, plus the fact that the WWE has exclusive contracts with any major arena in just about every place worth going to. It's one thing to advertise that you're going to an arena and then worry about how to hide the fact that it's half full, it's another thing to advertise to people that you'll be at a community center or convention center, "but we're still a real show" and get them to show up, or to make it look good on TV. Plus, you go to a place where people are only casual fans, and you'll get no reaction for anything that you do creatively, only cheering for whatever "old WWF" guys that they remember. It's WCW's Biker Halloween Havoc all over again.
Also, a six-sided ring? Say what you want about being 'innovative', but you can't tell me that a lot of people who might channel surf around and see someone like Christian on TV aren't thinking "What the fuck is with the ring?" You're an upstart company trying to secure a foothold in cable TV, don't put out a product that needs a "You'll have to commit to watching a month or so to see if you can get used to OUR way of showing wrestling, or you can just watch out competition who gives you something you're used to" disclaimer.
Once you've got your secure audience, THEN you can start all sorts of garbage like 6 sided rings, Mae Young giving birth to a hand, whatever, and those fans will stick with you.
I have to say that I think many of you are being a little too critical of TNA, yes the commentary sucks, yes the production could be improved. But TNA's major problem is that they only have a 50minute show (or less; when I was in the states I noticed programs could be distinctly short)
When a company wants to be taken seriously like TNA do, they have to show that they have a large roster which is full of stars. However if you have a large roster and only one hour of TV per week then you are going to end up with a lot of short matches and interferences in order to get everyone some coverage. (and to justify paying them) But this results in the feeling that we don't really know any wrestler, which makes them all generic to us.
TNA have tried to solve this problem by having a PPV ever month which IMO is a disaster, I struggle to define which PPV is which, forget what time of year they are on etc. TNA need to focus on 2or3 PPVs and make them the ones which all feuds are built toward. I know it is a financial risk but they should also drop at least 3 of their current PPV's in order to help with this idea. The increased push on certain PPV's would increase hype around the product and when these PPV's are getting closer fans will know they should flick over and see if something interesting is going on. (Like many do in the run up to wrestlemania)
For TNA to be allowed to develop the personalities of its wrestlers it needs more air time, more exposure of wrestlers means that we get to know them better. Well at least thats what I think anyway....
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I wrote in late November early December about the attempt to package Cena as Austin...""but you can't turn Cena into Austin while you have Helmsley around. As long as Helmsley inists on bladeing in every match they won't let Cena blade. The bad ass character requires matches with blood.
I mean thats what you have to do when you have a babyface that the women in the audience love. Women love babyface=misogynyst men who get no pussy will hate him...so you need him to reinforce his badassedness by brawling and lots of blood..Tommy Rich wouldn't have been as popular as just a pretty boy with no brawling. If it wasn't for the blade, Dusty would only be loved by children and not the grown men who realize that their spawn have tied them down and prevented them from fufilling their own childhood dreams.
Cena is loved by women and children now so of course the male fans will turn on him. He needs to be toughened. He needs to be allowed to have blood in his matches. 'This will only work if Helmsley learns either how to work without the blade or WWE starts allowing blood on more than one match per show."
He's now bleeding alot but not really toughing out the blood loss. It doesn't seem like he's kicking ass despite the blood...he's just weakening because of blood loss. Which is weird.
But turning Cena heel makes no sense while Cena is drawing well as face and selling a ton of merch as face.
AJ on the other hand...I mean its TNA does anyone really draw? And AJ is a really good cocky heel.
There is alot that TNA could do to improve and I'm not really that much of a fan of their product but haircuts and costumes aren't something that bothers me.
But of the other criticisms.
-I kind of like the factions and wouldn't mind them moving to a more six man tag based booking.
-And the Shane Douglas backstage character is awfull. The poster who said you "can see the acting"with him is dead on. Terry Taylor filled in for him for two episodes and the difference was tremendous. I'd also have Terry Taylor do those in ring talking segments that Tenay currently does.Tenay's facial selling and collection of quizzical expressions are really horrible.
-I'd want to ditch Raven at this point. He can't perform in the ring. His reading old comic books as mic work is pretty awfull. As his mic work feels so scripted its painfull. And his suicidal grunge rock gimmick is more than 12 years past its due date. I mean there is a glam rock revival now...maybe in another eight years there will be a grunge rock one. But now it feels completely dated and embarrasing.
-They are a fed that's running studio taping in the same place week after week and yet its really presented as "studio anywhere in the world".
I mean some of best TV shows are built around sense of place. The Wire works because its very clearly Baltimore..Its not a TV show that could be anyurban town Chicago, New York, Detroit, LA..any urban place.It's a show with local color.
What elevated "Hustle and Flow"above your run of the mill star is born flicks (what made it seem less BS than something like Jessica Alba's "Honey) was both the quality of acting and the obvoious sense of place the local color.
WWE is a touring promotion...they can't do that.
But if TNA is Orlando based make it feel Orlando based. Don't try to make it feel like it could be anytown.
1. TNA was never actually a member of NWA. They do have exclusive rights to the NWA World Title and NWA Tag Team Titles.
2. Jarrett is approaching "X-Pac heat" if he isn't there already.
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