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Since: 28.6.04
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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.61
http://www.liveaudiowrestling.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=10780

From Meltzer:
"-DirecTV has canceled all TNA PPVs for reasons that have not been disclosed. This goes into effect immediately, as tomorrow's show will not be available through DirecTV. All other regular outlets are still airing the show."

While not necessarily as prolific as Time Warner Cable and the ilk, DirectTV is a decent market and Jarrett & company can't be happy about this. Is it time for TNA to start hitting the panic button and/or re-evaluate their weekly PPV strategy?




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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.06
With the Friday show now going, I wonder if they're planning on moving to a monthly or twice-a-month PPV schedule. Since viewers are now getting a free show on Friday, I wonder how hard it is to promote a pay-per-view every single week.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
While it could be a change to 1 PPVs a month, there was some tension when Impact started because DirectTV and Fox aren't on good terms - I believe they weren't allowed to mention where Impact was going to air because of it - and DirectTV pulling the PPVs might be a result of that tension.



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This is the first I've heard of this. Ah well if this is so I guess I dont have to worry about wondering if I should order the show or not.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.77
Didn't FOX buy Direct TV? I thought I read somewhere that FOX was getting set to buy them. Or am I wrong, did FOX buy someone else or something a few years ago. I don't think I am making this up...I think?



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.36
    Originally posted by XPacArmy
    Didn't FOX buy Direct TV?
Your memory serves you well. In October of 2003, News Corporation (Rupert Murdoch's company, which includes FOX) took control of Direct TV, the largest satellite TV operator in the US. More information may be found here (dtg.org.uk) or, if you prefer, here (newscorp.com).

In addition, the TNA site has confirmed Meltzer's story:
    Originally posted by TNA
    Due to circumstances beyond our control, Total Nonstop Action Wrestling Pay-Per-View events will not air on DIRECTV in the month of July and for an undetermined amount of time. The last scheduled live TNA Wrestling Pay-Per-View event on DIRECTV aired on June 30, 2004.
For those interested, the full story may be found here (nwatna.com).



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The DirecTV Group is 34% owned by Fox Entertainment Group, which is approximately 82% owned by News Corporation Ltd. (mostly unrelated press release)

You're right, which means my reasoning is wrong. Must've been thinking of something else and got confused.

So I'm not completely worthless, here's a tOA post where Bob Barnett claims they were dropped for getting to few buys to make it worthwhile for DirectTV.

(edited by thecubsfan on 6.7.04 1938)


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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.61
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    The DirecTV Group is 34% owned by Fox Entertainment Group, which is approximately 82% owned by News Corporation Ltd. (mostly unrelated press release)

    You're right, which means my reasoning is wrong. Must've been thinking of something else and got confused.

    So I'm not completely worthless, here's a tOA post where Bob Barnett claims they were dropped for getting to few buys to make it worthwhile for DirectTV.

    (edited by thecubsfan on 6.7.04 1938)


That wouldn't surprise me at all. TNA is now in the unfortunate position of having to tell all of its fans with DirecTV that they can't access the weekly PPVs which, even though there's Impact, is the central focus of the promotion.

If DirecTV dropped them for too few buys, then it stands to reason that there's a slight chance other providers will drop for the same or similar reasons. So the question becomes, at this point, do they even have a CHOICE as to whether they continue the weekly PPV format or cut to a monthly deal?




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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95

Sounds like their only choice would be to make IMPACT! their flagship (only) show, cut out the PPVs all together for awhile (unless they want to keep running them until too many cable providers stop carrying them to even bother to produce them), wait a few months (let the audience build with the free IMPACT! show on FSN), then go to monthly PPVs.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.68
Impact should be their flagship anyway. Free TV with replays at night helped ECW. They need to focus more on that show since that will bring in viewers, PPVS don't. PPVs should be the icing on the cake not the whole fucking pot. They should promote the hell out of Impact, give the title to Jeff or AJ Styles and finally move Jarrett out of there and let the X-Division run with the ball.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't TNA pay for the privilege of airing Impact on Fox Sports? If so, doesn't TNA have to have at least some sort of PPV to bring in any meaningful revenue into the company? How much money does the company backing TNA have to sink into this?



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.03
Just to jump in with a quick question: Didn't DirecTV do the same thing to WWE a couple of years back? i.e. Dump the PPVs while they were negotiating a change in their contracts?

I wonder if this is going to turn out to be similar.
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.61
    Originally posted by Snookum
    Just to jump in with a quick question: Didn't DirecTV do the same thing to WWE a couple of years back? i.e. Dump the PPVs while they were negotiating a change in their contracts?

    I wonder if this is going to turn out to be similar.



I wondered that myself. The difference in this case is that the conflict with WWE was (if my memory serves me right) a contract dispute involving who gets how much money, whereas it seems that in the case of TNA it was just a matter of poor buyrates not being worth DirecTV's resources to provide TNA's weekly show to its customers (as Bob Barnett is reporting or speculating).

The article linked earlier (from TNA themselves) in the thread also had more of a defeatist tone to it, as if they didn't expect a compromise to be reached. For example, instead of calling on TNA fans to e-mail DirecTV, the tone was instead "if you really feel the need to complain we've set up an e-mail account and we'll send all comments to them it if it really bothers you that much."

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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.49
Is Impact going to make them any kind of money to make it worth while to continue on the same path? I'm wondering how much fat they are going to have to cut if they do go the free television route. The commercials I FF through hardly look like big time sponsors. While this is far from the end this could be the snowball that starts the avalanche.

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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
    Originally posted by Dave Meltzer
    Multichannel News today reported the impasse between TNA and DirecTV is a dispute over the revenue split, very similar to the impasse WWF had with DirecTV a few years ago. Both sides are talking and TNA would be put back on the air when a new deal is agreed to. The story didn't say exactly what the current split is and who balked at continuing under current terms.


Point for Snookum.

Re: Imapct making them any money

Probably not right now. I think there hope now has changed to those rumors of FSN/FX wanting to move them to a better slot actually turning true, and they'd be able to get decent advertisers then.

But right now, if you don't FF thru the commericals, you could break down the commericals into three categories

- commericals for TNA
- commericals for FSN
- commericals you also see early in the morning on low watched channels.

The first two make them no money, the third probably makes them very little. The tickets are free, so the only other source of income is merchandising live.



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This news is a few weeks old but it goes to the finanaces of TNA.


    It is believed TNA is drawing about 7,000 buys per week for its Pay-Per-View shows. In terms of doing weekly television, the company is losing at least $70,000 per week.

    The debut of TNA on Fox Sports Net on 6/4 scored a 0.16 rating, which would be about 110,000 homes. While at face value it may seem like this is a very low figure (this past Monday's RAW had 27 times more viewers - almost 3 million homes), a 0.16 is much higher than Fox Sports Net had been getting in that time slot prior to TNA Impact taking it over. Executives at FSN and TNA both anticipate Impact's viewership to grow over the next several months.

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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.25

Just to clarify...TNA's IMPACT! show isn't exactly on "free TV" everywhere. DirecTV-wise, if you don't live in the region where Fox Sports Atlantic qualifies as your one free local sports channel, you've gotta fork over $10/month like I do to get the Sports Pack.



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Oh that sports pack is a load of CRAP! Direct TV misadvertises the hell out of that. I had it for a grand total of about 8 hours and called once I realised I couldnt watch the Yankees on YES or any other game. They say that blackout restrictions apply, but NOWHERE does it say that the actual GAMES arent available. THen when I call to cancel, the lady is telling me "but you get great programming" to which I replied, "Seeing the Best Damn Sports Show Period on 15 different channels ISNT great programming". Heck, at least they offered me free Showtime for a month.

Sorry for wasting everybody's time.



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