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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.82
One of these days I'll be caught up with my Tivo

WHAT WORKED:

Sting has some nice cufflinks.

In WWE, Samoan is covered in tribal face paint. In TNA he’s seen backstage getting ready for his match adjusting an elbow pad and listening to an Ipod. Any racial good will TNA earns here is killed later in the show but still.

WHAT DIDN'T WORK:

The problem with the what Worked what didn't work division is TNA is all about delivering the mediocre. Occasionally they'll deliver the good, occasionally the painfully bad but alot of times it's just about the mediocre and this show was one mediocre segment after another:

-I mean I guess that opening segment got across the angle it was supposed to get across. So it did it’s job. Christian coming out to PEEP ZONE to celebrate his latest win with the audience really made Christian look like a poor man’s DDP. All his challengers come out in different corners of the studio and Larry Zbyzsco tells them that there will be an eight person qualifying tournament for the four slots in the King of the Mountain match. Raven, Sting, Rhino, Abyss, Ron Killings, Monte Brown, Steiner, and Jarrett. I don’t really get the booking of this as it seems like it would be smarter just to name the four guys than to do this “tourney” of qualifier matches. “Tourney” kills a bunch of PPV match ups. Really they should be saving Sting locking up with any of these guys for a PPV. Despite winning the tag match on the last PPV, Samoa Joe is not a title contender?? That’s shitty. But forget all that and focus on Raven. Because well HOLY SHIT with his new haircut Raven looks exactly like fat faced Sally Struthers. It’s uncanny. I mean almost scary. At first I thought TNA was just trying to show me a celebrity in their audience. It’s a shame that Raven isn’t in WWE, because I’m sure their sitcom writers could do fun stuff with Raven defending Paul E whenever Vince calls him a meathead. Its a shame that Sandman is with the WWE as Raven shilling “For Pennies a day you too could adopt this impoverished boy”would be pretty fun too. The whole segment was dull and uninspired but it accomplished its job. On the other hand it gave me nightmares built around Raven fucking Jack Nicholson.

-Petey Williams vs. Chris Sabin for the TNA cup?? For real? Why bother bringing in wrestlers from other countries, if this whole thing is going to be about Sabin vs. the regular Canada stable? This wasn’t awful. It didn’t make me want to scratch my eyes out. I’ve seen both of these guys in far worse. But it still wasn’t good. It was worked like a touring indy match. Two guys who train together have their touring match which they work against each other wherever they go. They have big moves that their partner knows how to eat really well. They have one taunt spot, one receipt spot, a innovative mat work section, a striking section, a reversal section, a couple innovative pieces of offense and neat bumps for that offense, and a big finish section. They can take it from town to town and it will get pops the first time the audience sees it cause its all new. The worst type of touring match of course is the three-way-dance, where your two guys who have trained together work a three way with local guy, where they work the exact same set of meaningless spots and just let him go over. The best you can hope for ideally to happen with touring matches, is for guys to settle down for an extended run in IWA MS. They have to work in front of same people again and again and the novelty wears off and they’re forced to actually try to figure out how to pace a match…how to make the offense mean something…how to keep an audience’s interest after the novelty of the spots wears off. This is episode 33 of Impact on Spike. Sabin and Williams have been in front of this same audience know for a good while now yet this tourney match felt no different than, more important than any other match they might have in your local gym, no different than this match as three way for Chasyn Rance’s title. I think the bookers also need to take some blame here as they knew who they had in the ring and yet they still did, both teams sent to back spot. And yeah I’m tired of matches built around Scott Damore but Sabin and Williams are not guys who can give a match gravity. Lots of interference and attempts to stop interference by seconds might have helped. Oh yeah and why is Petey Williams doing a Scorpion Deathlock as a secondary filler move in a fed that has Sting on top? It’s Stings finisher and they have a mediocre undercard junior using it as a filler move.

-After match Nash comes out to squash the juniors. I hated that spot when he was doing it to luchadors as I actually gave a shit about luchadors…and so if this was done well it might have had potential to make top side but Nash can’t even lift 145 pound Chris Sabin for his lazy powerbomb. If you can’t lift the junior to execute the worlds laziest powerbomb this stays below. They immediately segue to Jeremy Borash backstage talking about the 6 foot 8 Monster Abyss. The one spot Nash can do is the climbing into ring by putting legs over top rope to make you aware of height. If they are going to start using Nash regularly, they need to stop referring to Abyss as 6 foot 8.

-Joe vs. Chase Stevens was disappointing. Plus for some reason Slick Johnson decides to ref this match in gym shorts. How does Slick Johnson have a job? Match ends with Samoa Joe backing down from Andy Douglas. Why? He won’t back down from Scott Steiner but he backs down from Andy Douglas? The Franchise comes out to scout the Naturals? Nice to see the Franchise out of rehab but if I were a former member of the Triple Threat right out of rehab I’d be a little scared to be put in the Naturals manager role.

-I sort of halfway dug Bubba’s mic work. Speech didn’t really resonate with me at all. I preferred the Dudleys in WWF to the Dudleys in ECW…so I have little nostalgia for ECW Duds. Also for me the real “heart and soul” of ECW are both dead…cause well to me ECW was about the lyrical gangsters. But despite not agreeing with it, you felt that Bubba really believed it. It still felt impassioned and from the heart. And I don’t know why they aren’t allowed to refer to ECW and WWF in the speech…but on some level that contributed to the sense the feel of it at “Bubba wants to say this so badly that he has to carefully choose his words”. Amusing as the Dudleys are feuding with the NAO while WWE is pushing ECW and DX. I’m hoping next week BG gets to do a speech “3D want to be degenerates and well degeneration seems to be on everybody’s’ tongue…But do us all a favor and leave it dead and buried …Cause you got to understand the heart and soul of the degenerates are right here not there.” This whole thing was really brought down by the shitty brother comedy. I mean in the middle of impassioned Bubba the two of them are doing brother slapstick. Shitty. I miss Bullet. I want heartfelt mic work setting up feuds not comedy mic work. Teasing me by showing that the talent is capable of heartfelt mic work and then deciding to deliver comedy instead...not a way to earn my good will.

-And the first qualifying match is Rhino vs. Abyss? Maan. Is this a rib? They did a show with both a Williams v Sabin match and a Rhino vs. Abyss match??? It’s like they are deliberately trying to fuck with me. How many times are they going to run this match before they realize that it only works when they have props? Why haven’t they brought back Brother Runt who actually delivered in the ring and might be able to get something out of either of these guys? Instead its just another week of Abyss vs. Rhino. This wasn’t their worst match. Normally watching this match up I feel embarrassed for both wrestlers, this was just mediocre to bad without being out and out embarrassing. It was nice to see this matchup without the normal mistimed interference spots by the Sinister Minister. Of course D’Amore was banned from ringside earlier so he needed to get in some face time…the closing shot of the show even. And so instead of making it through this match with no shitty manager interference spots…we just get a different shitty manager.

-Well enough with the mediocre and on to the out and out embarrassingly bad. Way back in episode 21 I pointed out how embarrassing it was for them to book a Puerto Rican heel stable vs. INS officers face team. But Damn. This may have been more embarrassing. LAX take over the Spanish announce table (well it looks like Puerto Rican Moody Jack has let them take over his space as he’s joining their cause). They put up signs saying ZONA LIBRE DE GRINGOS, NO ENTRE, and SPANISH ONLY…Is there anyone who actually fears that this is what Latinos in the US are going to do? Anyone? There is anti-immigrant movement in this country but this isn’t even the immigrant activist boogeyman that scares Lou Dobbs, Micheal Savage, and the Minutemen Project. Lou Dobbs isn’t worried that Hispanics are going to be denying gringos entry to their neighborhood. Fuck, Savage would love it if Hispanics would just stay in their own ghetto. The Minutemen? I don’t understand why guys who like 70s muscle cars (http://www.spiritofallegiance.com/ ) would be anti-Mexican. But still LAX don't represent their fears. Scott DAmore books Canadian feds and knows how to book heel Canadian language minorities who want French only areas. But Hispanics aren’t Québécois. Not figuring that out makes you an idiot. If you’re going to do a race baiting angle you need to appeal to people’s actual racial fears and resentments. You need to appeal to prejudices and stereotypes that the audience identifies with. Booking Homicide as Fred LaMelvielle is stupid. Shows absolutely no understanding of America. It’s not a stereotype that has any emotional power. You could tell that Tenay and West realized this as they tried to sell and explain the angle, explaining what a Gringo is (http://bad.eserver.org/issues/2002/60/blanchette.html ) as though they were explaining something as foreign as poutine, or the difference between the Blue Tories and the Red Tories in the Progressive Conservative Party. Painfuly embarrasingly stupid.
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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.90
    Originally posted by tomk


    All his challengers come out in different corners of the studio and Larry Zbyzsco tells them that there will be an eight person qualifying tournament for the four slots in the King of the Mountain match. Raven, Sting, Rhino, Abyss, Ron Killings, Monte Brown, Steiner, and Jarrett. I don’t really get the booking of this as it seems like it would be smarter just to name the four guys than to do this “tourney” of qualifier matches. “Tourney” kills a bunch of PPV match ups. Really they should be saving Sting locking up with any of these guys for a PPV.



I must say, I never understand people who complain that they don't save things for PPVs. If they're giving people something good for free, why is that a bad thing? This seems to be unique to wrestling fans; I don't hear fans of 24 saying they should have kept the final 24/Henderson showdown for the movie or something. Who knows, maybe there are people bitching about mozzie sticks being on the dollar menu at their local fast food place when people would pay $2.79 for them, and I'm just not aware of it.

Anyway, FWIW the motivation behind the tournament is obviously to have four weeks in a row where the viewers think that Sting might actually wrestle a meaningful match on Impact tonight.

(edited by Peter The Hegemon on 29.5.06 0159)
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.31
I didn't even recognize Raven.

I'll wait until you write up this weeks TNA before I make a comment on the NAO promo this week. (I thought it was actually good though it reminded me of another promo from another time.)
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.82
    Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
    I must say, I never understand people who complain that they don't save things for PPVs. If they're giving people something good for free, why is that a bad thing? This seems to be unique to wrestling fans; I don't hear fans of 24 saying they should have kept the final 24/Henderson showdown for the movie or something. Who knows, maybe there are people bitching about mozzie sticks being on the dollar menu at their local fast food place when people would pay $2.79 for them, and I'm just not aware of it.

    Anyway, FWIW the motivation behind the tournament is obviously to have four weeks in a row where the viewers think that Sting might actually wrestle a meaningful match on Impact tonight.


The assumption with "saving the match" discussions...is that the match won't be as good as the heat for the match. That anticipation of match will be more exciting than the actual match itself. If you put a match between Steiner and Sting on free TV and it isn't very good---you've killed it. Fans of 24 are assuming final showdown will be good.

edited to fix quoting - thecubsfan

(edited by thecubsfan on 29.5.06 1811)
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
    Originally posted by tomk
      Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
      I must say, I never understand people who complain that they don't save things for PPVs. If they're giving people something good for free, why is that a bad thing? This seems to be unique to wrestling fans; I don't hear fans of 24 saying they should have kept the final 24/Henderson showdown for the movie or something. Who knows, maybe there are people bitching about mozzie sticks being on the dollar menu at their local fast food place when people would pay $2.79 for them, and I'm just not aware of it.

      Anyway, FWIW the motivation behind the tournament is obviously to have four weeks in a row where the viewers think that Sting might actually wrestle a meaningful match on Impact tonight.


    The assumption with "saving the match" discussions...is that the match won't be as good as the heat for the match. That anticipation of match will be more exciting than the actual match itself. If you put a match between Steiner and Sting on free TV and it isn't very good---you've killed it. Fans of 24 are assuming final showdown will be good.


Eh. I'm guessing it's going to be Steiner vs. Jarrett and Sting vs. Raven. Neither of these matchups would be likely to make it to PPV, and even if they do, it'd be a ways down the road and the dynamics will have shifted considerably.

Jarrett vs. Steiner will probably be schmozzy, with Samoa Joe interfering and setting up Joe vs. Steiner at the PPV. Even if it isn't, it's not going to be a "real" match in any way, and won't "spoil" any future matches which would take place after one of the two has (shudder) turned face.

As for Sting vs. Raven -- I can't imagine that a feud between the two is being penciled in anywhere in the foreseeable future, and who knows how long either of them have left in the ring? So why not do it now? (And it'll probably have a Zbyszko run-in anyway.)

And then there's the two matches that have already taken place. Rhino vs. Abyss they've done a few times before, and Killings vs. Brown -- maybe that was a dream match-up and people were begging to be allowed to pay for the privilege of watching it, but I dunno.

So -- there's four weeks of mystery-opponent-possibly-being-Sting matches to help the ratings, including a couple of matchups that we would probably never see outside of the "random draw" format, and nothing is "killed" for future PPVs.

But I guess we'll see how it pans out. I could be wrong.

--K

(edited by Karlos the Jackal on 29.5.06 1740)


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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.31
    Originally posted by Karlos the Jackal
    As for Sting vs. Raven -- I can't imagine that a feud between the two is being penciled in anywhere in the foreseeable future, and who knows how long either of them have left in the ring? So why not do it now? (And it'll probably have a Zbyszko run-in anyway.)


Sting's interviews reminded me of how interesting he could be on the mic.
I never really saw Raven in mid 90s ECW so the only comments I have were outside of ECW I didn't really like his mic work.
I'm currently not a fan of either wrestlers ring work.

I think it would make a realy good gimmicky tag team to have Raven and Crow Sting to team up. :)

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