Well, if you had any hopes that there would be a rebirth and a bold new direction you were probably disappointed. I wasn't expecting much and I was disappointed.
The show started with the whole roster brawling all over the arena in what looked like a shitty punching contest. Kurt Angle came out made a bunch of matches and then declared himself a wrestler again and made a match with himself vs MVP in a street fight. Both guys seemed out of shape and it wasn't much of a street fight. Kurt Angle won clean.
The camera work has been terrible so far.
Then he had a whole bunch of talking and skits. It wasn't until forty minutes in that we got our next match. Which was The Revolution vs The Wolves. This wasn't very good and Abyss looked especially horrible. He sort of just stumbled around like an old man waking up in the middle of the night.
The low point of the night was when the camera crew missed Jeremy Borash standing up to and slapping EC3 in favor of zooming in on Brodus Clay' s nut sack. EC3 shaved Borash's head as Spud was forced to look on, but everyone watching at home was probably staring blankly wondering how that just happened on a pretaped show.
Aries vs Low Ki was a nice match. It felt like they were just warming up and then it ended, but you take what you can get.
The Knockouts had a battle royal. Awesome Kong came back!
Lashley won the title from Roode when we got swerve city and everyone betrayed somebody and TNA did what it loves to do best, create more factions.
The good. I like Matthews and Taz together. Awesome Kong. Aries vs Low Ki.
The bad. Everything else.
I was wrong, TNA didn't deserve another chance. I feel bad for a lot of the guys and girls because they try so hard and TNA will never change it's ways. Same old shit, different channel. A huge letdown, which shouldn't have been when I think about it.
Well, for a show that does the opposite of all the lousy stuff we see on WWE programming, like a long drawn out opening segment, pointless inconsistent booking, blah commentary...
MVP/Angle was good, albeit short.
EC3 and Not Brodus give a brief promo where Crazy Steve gets a face shove, which is still one of the best spots if dine right.
Mike Tenay interviews James Storm, who claims to only be in TNA because he dislikes management. Wait, what? Storm and Abyss only want blood.
Next match is Storm and Abyss v. The Wolves. Wolves have matching body paint. Out come the Hardys. This is the first title match of 2015! Quad suicide dives from the Wolves open up. Double team offense ensues until Abyss pulls Davey Richards out and does a telekinetic chokeslam. Manic and Sonata get involved, but then Hardys get involved with them. Jeff and Abyss play tug of war with a rope with a cowbell, Storm hits the last call and is officially Undertaker McShawnmichaels.
Recap of Roode/Lashley feud so far.
EC3 says come hither.
Here's a replay of what happened less than an hour ago.
MVP is shouting at Lashley, which causes Lashley to lash out.
Here's Jeremy Borash wish a bad hairdo. EC3 hithers out. Heeliness ensues in the oft muted confines of the Ballroom. Imagine if Cesaro over on the other channel had this kind of heat. Not Brodus literally drags Rockstar Spud out. EC3 has clippers in his pocket and starts chanting "scalp". Borash stands up for Spud and eats a big splash from Tyrus. EC3 cuts off some of Borash's hair.
We go back and see MVP and Kenny hollering secret plans in a very echo friendly hallway.
Here's a recap of what happened before the break. More recap of the Lashley/Roode feud.
Here's the X-Division title match. Low-Ki is out first. Here's a video detailing the X-Division, but not really defining it. Austin Aries has a cape. Earl Heber holds up the belt and looks either depressed or on drugs. Solid match, criminally short. Aries wins.
Knockouts title battle Royale is next. Havok is doing the Ascension gimmick better. She even has a gas mask, a necessity of the post-apocalyptic world.
The Beautiful People talk about Robbie E until Taryn comes out with a WWE name and a top that gives her a boob wedgie. These women can wrestle but don't for some reason. Brooke comes from out of nowhere. Taryn retains, and Havok has none of it. Lights drop, Awesome Kong is back! They stop muting the crowd, and I am more interested in this than most WWE storylines. Probably because of Havok.
Up next is the world title match.
Lashley comes out first after the break. Roode comes out. Brawl to start, hanging vertical suplex by Lashley and he's in control. Roode comes back with a crossface, action goes outside. Picture in picture happens as we see MVP and Kenny take out security with the help of dudes in masks. After the break Lashley is back in control. They do the try and clothesline the guy twice and go for the 3rd. Lashley goes for the Roode bomb and does it better. Roode does a better spear. MVP and Kenny make sure over booking abounds with two dudes. Angle comes down after the red gets killed. The dudes is masks are Low-Ki and Samoa Joe. Eric Young is out with a chair. Young hits Roode. Lashley hits the tumble spear and wins.
Show was alright. Certainly less fast-forward worthy than Raw.
The way I see it is this; in the WWE creative is convinced nothing is ever good enough, in TNA creative will settle on good enough. At least in TNA the heels are heels and not corporate meat puppets.
"Laugh and the world laughs with you. Frown and the world laughs at you." -Me.
I caught the last 15 minutes and thought I was watching 1989 AWA. Why was the crowd not lit up? Why could we see the shitty carpet design sticking out from the mats? Couldn't they at least have put a thin black carpet over the whole thing to cover that crap up? THEN, with five minutes left in the ME, the camera angle switches to from below Roode/Lashely to showing the damned pressed metal ceiling. WTF?!?!?!
I think total over the course of its history, I've watched MAYBE eight hours of TNA matches, so I don't know a whole lot about Roode. He was part of Beer Money, right? Lashley will always be just the guy that saved Trump's ahir. That's it. He WAS the heel in this match, right? If so, why didn't I hear him say ONE WORD during the match/ Not even a grunt? He's the mute wrestler? At least watch a couple of Paige's matches (Please don't watch a Bella match) about heeling the crowd. This "Main Event" really did not much for me. They did the Brock/Cena "I'll kikc out of your finishing maneuver/you'll kick out of my finishing maneuver", then the whole thing with MVP, (who the HELL ever cared about MVP so much?) and the masked "Not Eric Rowan" dudes beating up security, (and who was that other black dude?), then the reveal being Low Ki, who I didn't recognise at first, and Samoa Joe? WHY would Joe turn? Cuz he flashed the "rubbing my fingers together for money"? From what I've read, that's not Joe.
Oh, and the graphis in the bottom right were also late 80's fonts, too. If you're trying to be nostalgic, I woulnd't pick dying-days AWA to copy.
All this from just 15 minutes. Enjoy, TNA. I hope you have fun.
Oh, and that six-sided ring looked GINORMOUS. Also, couldn't they at least had the barricades parralel the ringsides? They looked awkward with the back left corner being straight, and the back right corner kinda going with the side of the ring.
Originally posted by Tenken347There's no money in trying to be WWE. WWE has proven that themselves over these last couple months.
On the flip side, there's also no money in trying to be a straight wrestling company. If there was, Ring of Honour would be more popular than it is.
Is that entirely fair, though? RoH has, like, no exposure. I've certainly never seen any of it. A tv show on a nothing channel in a couple of markets is not going to make you a million dollar company - that was one of the several problems that ultimately caused ECW to fold.
I too was disappointed. The missing of JB's slap of EC3 was mentioned, but the next segment (Knockouts Battle Royal) the ringside camera missed the final elimination too, focusing on Gail Kim on the floor rather than Taryn's dumping of Havok.
(Honestly, my eyes would have been on Gail too, but the camera is there to cover the match, I think).
A friend was at the show and posted a picture of the crowd. The ringside crowd being only 2 rows deep is the reason the arena was very dark.
My major issue with this show is that it was not treated as an entry point for new viewers. Its like they expected every new viewer to have been watching the day long of recap shows to know the entire roster. There was no communication of it via Matthews and Taz to tell me, a new viewer, what was happening. Off the top of my head, my questions were:
Why is the beer half of Beer Money now a cult leader? Who are Blue Muta and the space alien? (seriously, I did not hear their names on commentary) Why is EC3 tormenting Rockstar Spud?
I know WWE commentating gets a lot of hate for focusing on being story tellers, but a little background for the first show on the new network would go a long way.
Oh, and I can't believe they mentioned "WWE Hall of Famer Edge" being on Taz's podcast.
And back on that EC3 segment, JB was about to introduce someone's return before he got interrupted. I think. I spent the segment waiting for someone to come out and take back their time from EC3. Maybe it was Awesome Kong that was supposed to have that interview time?
TNA didn't need a homerun here, just a good single to get on base. It felt like they hit a line drive to the shortstop.
Don't know if the questions were rhetorical, but I'll give it a shot:
James Storm teamed up with a newcomer named Gunner for a bit, but then turned on him for being (in his view) a young punk trying to take his spotlight as a TNA original. It was more recently that he took a turn for the Bray Wyatt.
Blue Muta = Seiya Senada, now "The Great Senada"...he was X-Division Champion and hyped as a protege of Muta, but Storm turned him against Muta to set up a PPV in Japan that ended up not meaning much in the big picture.
Space Alien = Manik, aka T.J. Perkins on the indy circuit. At some point in the past year, they brought back the Suicide character only for Aries(heel at the time) to steal the costume and win the X-Division Title. After that, they said that Suicide was and always had been Perkins(only true in his current stint) and he changed his name to Manik. A few months after that, Storm got in his head and he changed his attire as a result.
EC3 and Spud were a wacky heel duo for a long time, but EC3 started pushing him around and Eric Young convinced Spud to ditch him. (Of course, now EY is a heel, so...)
On Lashley: He will always be the guy who has no charisma. They're trying to push him as their Brock Lesnar, only Brock Lesnar can flat out perform in the ring and tell stories with his body and facial expressions; no wrestling fan tunes in because they think a former UFC heavyweight is going to murder someone. The whole story between he and Roode is based solely on the title; the only thing selling Lashley as a heel is association with MVP and how MVP does what he can to keep the title on him for no apparent reason.
On Carter not being in the building: You must really, REALLY be trained to believe that the owner of a company must be in attendance for a big event by WWE programming. Which seems to be a gripe by most WWE fans, these days.
On Production: Again, where the WWE will see a gem in a dumpster and proceed to polish the dumpster, TNA will see the same gem and present it wrapped in trash. Either way, cum se cum sa. Since my local ROH affiliate often plays episodes of Castle in place of what I want to DVR, and I'd earnestly rather watch UFC than a Japanese product (seriously, I do watch for storylines I can understand, and if it's a pure athletic contest I'll stick with the more brutal but not predetermined one), TNA is an alternative, though I wish they'd actually showcase longer matches sometimes (whereas I think one of the problems with WWE programming right now is some of their matches are too long and thus full of fluff).
"Laugh and the world laughs with you. Frown and the world laughs at you." -Me.
Originally posted by Horsemen4everMy major issue with this show is that it was not treated as an entry point for new viewers. Its like they expected every new viewer to have been watching the day long of recap shows to know the entire roster. There was no communication of it via Matthews and Taz to tell me, a new viewer, what was happening.
Yea. Visually, for better/worse, they tried to treat this as something different and something new - the open, the new logo, the backstage camera bits, Josh as announcer, even the lightning might have been by design - but then the writing was still the same TNA as it always and really only aimed for the people who were already following.
Not sure who else would've known Eric & Roode were meant to be best friends, but the irony is everyone who has watched a wrestling program knew Eric Young was 'shockingly' going to attack the person he just saved. That was such a terrible way to end a First Show Of A New Era of TNA, yet I'm pretty sure they've ended the First Show Of A New Era of TNA this way before because there's been soooo many of them. And this was just another.
TLDR: they've learned nothing. nothing!
I'm thinking there's a going to be harsh reality check coming if/when the ratings come out of this show. As we've seen with Lucha Underground, once you start to get into the channels no one knows exists, no one really sees you. (Though Destination America seemed to have some actual paying sponsors, unlike El Rey.) And so maybe it doesn't matter, because they're (also) in a place where even having good wrestling TV won't matter. But I'd still like good wrestling TV instead of hoping people I enjoy here go some place I'd be willing to watch.
I really wanted to give this a shot. I've never really watched TNA with any kind of regularity, but figured this was a good a time as any to give it a shot.
Then they essentially flipped the bird at new viewers. "Here are all of our wrestlers! Now they are punching each other. Isn't this wild?!" OK, but...why? And who are all these people?
Oh, hey, Kurt Angle, I know him! He's...saying stuff. I guess he's an authority figure or something. MVP doesn't like him, but I don't know which of these guys is a face and which is a heel. Oh no, Angle's not an authority figure! He's a wrestler. Again. Or something. But he will wrestle in his business casual clothes.
Tag title match. I know some of these guys! The Hardys are here. Taz seems surprised by this. Are they returning? Were they not supposed to be here?
I had high hopes for this show. They were, surprisingly, not all taken away while watching it.
Awesome Kong is back and I'm pretty sure TNA has the best womens division in wrestling, and I know my saying this is surprising since I've stated numerous times that I can't stand womens wrestling. The main thing I hate about it is that it generally looks like a bunch of bikini models slapping around failed pornstars. None of them look like they can fight. Awesome Kong looks like she can fight. Hell she looks like she could fight most of the male wrestlers in TNA as well. Same goes for Havok. I want to see the two of them beat the shit out of each other in a steel cage.
Mike Tenay was not on commentery. That guy is terrible to listen to. I get it, he knows wrestling as well as I know comic books and horror films, but I don't want to hear him talking. Putting him on another show for the wrestling nerds is a great idea cause it allows a fresh, younger face to be on the main show and gives Taz someone to work with who isn't boring as fuck.
ECIII should be carrying this show for the forseeable future. That man is money. Vince, if he ever watches TNA for whatever reason, should be kicking himself in the ass for letting this guy go. He's been awesome since the first day he showed up on TNA cameras. Are there any heels as awesome as he is in the WWE right now? Seriously, I don't know cause I really haven't watched any of it since the RAW after Wrestlemania last year.
Dixieland was not in the building. I love me the Dixieland, but her not being on screen felt good. Keep her off for a while. Don't let her pretend to be Vince cause it's just doesn't work. I still love you though Dixie, just stay off camera.
The matches were good. Ares/Low-Ki, the tag match, Angle/MVP, the womens battle royal, and most of the main event were pretty good matches.
Production was terrible. The sound was laughable at times. The directing was lousy. The lighting was shitty. I read on another site that they had to use a new director for this episode and that the venue has shoddy sound equipment, but since it's been two fucking months between shows, the should have had all of this working right before now.
That Mike Tenay interview with James Storm is terrible to listen to. Why does Tenay always have that look on his face like he needs to go to the bathroom? I just can't stand this character. What happened to the Mike Tenay from WCW? He was okay.
Opening the show with WWE cast-offs. Angle and MVP should have been the lead of the 2nd hour. The first show on a new network hoping to bring in new viewers should have highlighted new business and younger talent, not old guys.
Erik Young, Brooke, and Robbie E were completely wasted. The two guys in TNA right now who could probably bring in newer viewers were used as enhancement talent. Amazing Race runners up Robbie E came out for the womens match and said about two sentences before the mic was cut off and he was shooed out of the ring. Brooke wasn't even allowed in a match that featured all the Knockouts. Erik Young, star of TWO shows on a Discovery owned channel, wasn't seen until the last 5 minutes of the show, and then they turn him heel? I just don't understand the thinking in this at all.
(edited by Cerebus on 8.1.15 1523) Forget it Josh... it's Cerebustown.
Really liked the start of the show with them showing the wrestlers at the hotel and the music and the pep talks and even the face off between Lashley and Roode, which should have ended the scene. The brawling was senseless really and TNA has done it a thousand times. I really lied the first two Roode-Lashley matches because it was no nonsense matched with no interference. TNA once again couldn't help themselves and felt the need to have a swerve with Young turning on Roode and Low Ki and Joe turning and joining the newest big TNA heel group. No matter who is booking they always go back to the big heel group trope. Highlight of the show was definitely Kong's return. I'm okay with a Havoc-Kong feud, but I really wanna see another of series of Kong-Gail Kim matches. Kong vs Kim were amongst the best women's matches I've seen and better than many men's matches. Low Ki vs Aries was another highlight as it was a real good match, but needed at least five more minutes. Aries as x division champ has been done to death though. The also continue to fail to define the X division attacking like they're all interchangeable instead of showing the guys characters. All in all, a disappointing show as the nonsense at the end was vintage TNA and I was hoping Roode would get another long title reign. Oh almost forget the EC3 segment was really good. Too bad he's injured right now, but when he's back I hope TNA makes him he centerpiece. He is among the best heels in wrestling and the WWE dropped the ball big time with him.
In the past 3 1/2 years, I've maybe watched one episode of Impact. (I vaguely remember seeing an episode but I can't remember anything about it or when it was.) I've half-assedly followed along with the storylines but only vaguely knew who most of the people in the show were, and didn't even recognize some of the ones I knew because they looked so different from when I last saw them.
That being said, I thought it was a decent enough show up until the end of the main event. The production value was absolute shit, granted, but the booking wasn't bad. It didn't have the big show, reintroduction feel that I would have gone for and people seem to have been expecting, but it was a much better show than Hulk Hogan's debut several years ago.
That being said, I probably won't bother watching again (unless I hear about an outstanding Havok vs Kong match) because Lucha Underground and NXT fulfill my wrestling needs.
Originally posted by graves9Really liked the start of the show with them showing the wrestlers at the hotel and the music and the pep talks and even the face off between Lashley and Roode, which should have ended the scene.
I agree. That opening felt fresh, innovative, and something I wanted to see a lot more of.
The rest of a show was a letdown. It might have worked as a regular episode of Impact, but not as the season premiere. It felt as if this could have been taped a week after their last November episode.
ECIII/Spud feels like a holding pattern for Ethan. Ethan getting a face ovation was amusing though. "You can't wrestle/Yes, he can!"
The brawl at the beginning of the show felt too much of a rehash. Its over a year after the Aces and Eights Saga, yet I'm still burnt out on such lockerroom brawls--unless they are built up to well.
The X-Division title continues to be Aries' prop. And that's fine with me. Aries makes the X-Division look better, and the X-Division makes Aries matter. It is win/win.
Loved the return of Robbie E.
Liked Taz teasing Josh for calling the Belt the "Championship".
We got a shoutout to Ring of Honor, which was nice. TNA referencing other promotions as equals makes TNA's expanded universe feel big. The Edge mention was similarly interesting.
Lashley getting the title back was the right move. "The Destroyer" was in the midst of a fantastic reign when it got short to ensure that if TNA went out of business before getting a new TV deal, it wouldn't have a heel as their final champion. More Lashley, please!