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The Recap for TNA Impact 7.15.2010 from the Impact Zone in Orlando, FL.
The show opens with the updated Top 10: 10 Rob Terry 9 Pope 8 Angle 7 Hernandez 6 Styles 5 Lethal 4 Joe 3 Anderson 2 Hardy 1 Abyss. Abyss at #1 AND no Des Wolfe? Instant fail.
Abyss heads down to the ring with Janice and a large piece of meat. Ok, then. Abyss says he and Janice (who is beautiful, tall, sexy, and sharp) have a plan for RVD which is so extreme that we've never seen anything like it before. Abyss says he wants to share his plan with Rob but he's waiting for their instructions. So, to kill time, he goes on to talk about Janice. Janice has a dark side that likes pain. By now, you should've figured out that Janice is the nail-ridden 2x4. He goes haywire on the piece of meat with Janice and mentions that Janice is a wonderful cook. Unfortunately Rob is only going to find out what a bitch Janice is. Appropriately creepy, though I could've done without the biting. 1 for 1.
Backstage, Taylor WIlde and Sarita are continuing where they left off last week. TNA Security, take notice. Never leave two women alone who you had to keep from tearing each other apart last week. Anyway, they toss each other into some random stuff and Sarita grabs an armbar. Jeez, armbar? Is that what you think of when someone's swinging a chair at you? Taz and Tenay say that this is an official street fight. Ok, then.
Match 1: Streetfight: Sarita over Taylor WIlde via chokeout in about 5 minutes. I didn't count the pre-break stuff, and this was fairly long and chaotic. Sarita grabbed someone's purse-looking thing and choked Wilde out with it for the win. 1 for 2.
RVD ensures us that he's not afraid of threats, but rises to face challenges.
Ms. Tessmacher is on the phone when Kevin Nash walks into Bischoff's office, but Bischoff is not there. Tessmacher asks if she can help him, but Nash initially declines before changing his mind and booking an appointment at 10 pm.
Match 2: I Quit: Brian Kendrick over Doug Williams via Cobra Clutch in about 6 minutes. An unadvertised, 6-minute I Quit match 3 weeks before a hardcore-themed PPV - ridiculous, you say? I say TNA staple. Solid outing, but 6 minutes is never enough for an I Quit match, especially one that has a break in-between. 1 for 3.
Postmatch, Nash comes out to the ring for a few words. Kendrick takes offence to Nash barging into his moment, so Nash chokeslams him like the vanilla midget he is. Nash is sick of Hogan and Bischoff dodging him. Nash proclaims that he will never be replaced when he dies, because you can't find a 6'10", built-like-a-god legend. He says if he can't gain attention any other way, he's going to start taking people out. He wants to Jackknife Kendrick, but Jarrett interrupts, telling Nash to clam down. He asks if Nash wants to be the next to be suspended. He says Nash has a problem with Hogan and Bischoff just like Sting did, but defends their moves by praising them for pushing young talent like Jay Lethal. Nash says that all he wants is their attention, but Jarrett translates that into "Egotistical SOB" and tells Nash as much. Nash says if he wants a problem, he's got it. So, the X-Division got put in its place, and we set up a future Nash v Jarrett match? Wow. That's a miss if ever there was one. 1 for 4.
Backstage, Nash wonders why Jarrett is defending Hogan/Bischoff despite them coming in and taking power out of Jarrett's hands.
Match 3: Three-Way Match: Samoa Joe over Desmond Wolfe and Rob Terry (Coquina Clutch on Wolfe) in 4 minutes. Too short to mean anything, and Wolfe jobbing again is rather sickening, but the match was ok for what it was. 2 for 5. Postmatch, Joe and Terry go face-to-face, and Joe shows respect and walks off. Brutus Magnus has a beard (I think he may also have become just "Magnus") and was on commentary. And he wasn't half bad!
Ric Flair is backstage to make another one of his earth-shattering announcements. Yawn. But he does get in a nice closer: "Do you why? Because I'm Ric Flair. And I can."
Match 4: Best of Five for the TNA Tag Title: Ladder Match for an open contract for a future stipulation: Series tied 0-0: Beer Money over The Motor City Machine Guns via Heel Strategery (Storm -> Beer Bottle shot to Sabin) in 10 minutes. That's a longass match description, but that's TNA for you. That aside, this was fantastic! Two weeks in a row, TNA has delivered a great TV match now. Sabin retrieved the contract but ref Hebner was down and didn't see it, allowing Storm to swoop in with his trusty beer bottle. Check it out on youtube when it gets there, you won't be disappointed. 3 for 6.
Abyss now destroys a watermelon with Janice.
Match 5: D'Angelo Dinero over Matt Morgan via DDE in 2 minutes. Pointless. 3 for 7. Postmatch, Morgan beats on Dinero. By the way, Taz needs to learn to pronounce Dinero's name. It's not "De Niro" as in Robert De Niro, but "Dee-Nero" with a long, Spanish 'E.' Tenay has it right. Morgan wants to kill The Pope but Mr. Anderson runs out with a chair to stop that. Anderson tells Morgan that he wants to finish the job himself, but SWERVE! attacks Morgan instead. Morgan bails while spewing angry threats, while Anderson offers his hand to Dinero, who nods in understanding.
Lacey von Erich and Velvet Sky confront Madison Rayne about her decision to add a fourth member to the Beautiful People. Lacey wants to hear Rayne's explanation but Velvet warns that if it's not up to scratch, Madison is going to wind up with Velvet's boot up her ass.
Madison is out to make a formal protest against the decision of the ref at Victory Road to strip her of the title. Madison says that if TNA doesn't comply and give her the title back in 7 days, she will sue them for all they're worth. *Insert your joke here* Velvet Sky, apparently not satisfied, comes out to interrupt her about being "high and mighty" about adding members to the TBP without asking her first. Madison says Velvet's been taking her "dumb blonde pills" again. Ouch. Velvet says Madison must've overdosed on hers. Touche. Madison says she doesn't need them anymore, so Velvet vows to kick her ass all over the ring. Angelina Love interrupts the festivities because she can't decide if the bitches in the ring are worse than the bitches who are on The Hills. I am not in touch with American pop culture, but that sounded like a nice dig to me. Velvet says that there is no way she was on that motorcycle and cites the rider's "dumpy ass" as evidence. Angie says she doesn't buy it, so Velvet tells her the Rayne is all hers and walks off. Madison invites Angie to the ring and tells her to hand her the title back. Angie says to come and get it, and Rayne does. CATFIGHT! The bike rolls in and the mystery rider attacks Angie. Lacey is still at the top of the ramp so it can't be her. Madison DDTs Angie on a chair and leaves with the mystery rider. This featured logic, continuation, and good mic work from Rayne. Plus some good digs. Maybe a turn for ole Velvet? 4 for 8.
Jeff Hardy talks nonsense while pretending to sound educated.
Match 6: Jeff Hardy(#2) over Jay Lethal(#5) via Swanton Bomb in 4 minutes. Solid enough, but too short, and unhelpful for Lethal, who was just coming off a strong PPV win. 4 for 9.
Ric Flair introduces Styles and Kazarian as the first two members of Fortune, but Des Wolfe takes exception to that. He says he deserves to be a part of Fortune, but that gets nowhere as Abyss interrupts with Janice. Fortune bail. Abyss calls out RVD as it is time to unveil their plans. He reiterates what he's been saying over the last few weeks about them taking over TNA and nobody being able to do anything about it. Abyss says that they have instructed him to get the World Title off RVD. Abyss wants to have the most extreme match in history and it involves hanging Janice 15 feet in the air. He says Janice wants a piece of Rob's ass. Cheating bitch! Van Dam says he gets it, everyone wants the title. He says he loves setting standards when he has the title and attacks Abyss. Bad move, matey. Abyss counters and chokeslams him and prepares Janice. Mick Foley shows up on the ramp so Abyss stops to stare at him. That allows the ECW people to attack him and wipe him out. Security makes their way to the ring, slowly, and get taken out as well. Rhyno hands out a GORE! The locker room guys come out in batches to be taken out. This is a bit too hokey for my taste. RVD (SWERVE~) is helping the ECW people. Brother Devon joins in. Jeff Jarrett comes out to no avail. Al Snow is helping in the beatdown. Dixie watches from the crowd and eventually orders everyone to stop because "I invited them." And that's how we close today. I will let you judge the ending and the inevitable comparison to the NXT beatdown will be made, but this was a bit different. Looking at future ramifications and the direction of TNA that this will entail, this is a miss for me. 4 for 10. I hope you enjoyed it better than I did.
Wrestling Counter: 31 minutes.
The Score: 4 for 10: Despite 30 minutes of wrestling, this felt like an angle-driven show, which is unsurprising given the final segment. I'm not overly looking forward to the ECW angle, and though the beatdown was nicely done, it will lead to focussing on performers that I don't particularly care for. Who exactly will this get over? Is it going to create new stars? Will it go along the lines of Nexus, or along the lines of the MEM storyline? Will Dixie, Hogan, and Bischoff feel the need to get involved? Many questions arise and I'm afraid not enough of them have positive answers.
The only truly-must watch thing on this show is the ladder match. The first half was decent and I for one enjoyed the Beautiful People promo immensely.
(edited by used2bcool on 16.7.10 1254) Forfeit the game, before somebody else takes you outta the game, and puts your name to shame Cover up your face, you can't run the race The pace is too fast, you just won't last - "Points Of Authority" - Linkin Park
See, here's the problem with the ECW invasion, right off the bat. The reason the NXT invasion worked so well is because the E had it drilled into peoples' heads that the NXT guys were just rookies and/or losers. So when NXT goes in and beats the living crap out of everything moving, the fans look at it as a bunch of embittered malcontents that don't belong. The ECW guys, on the other hand, are guys that everyone typically think of as "cool". If the idea is to get them over as the next big heel stable, they've already failed. Especially by STUPIDLY adding Van Dam to their ranks. There's no reason to turn Van Dam whatsoever, other than for shock value.
Lest I rant on that for much longer, let's go to another reason I hated this show. Only TNA could book a screwjob finish in a Ladder Match. And it's a real shame, because the match was great to that point. But seriously, HOW do you book a screwjob in a FREAKIN' LADDER MATCH?
I have a really bad taste in my mouth. I don't like the new TNA direction. If there's a good thing to say about it, it's that it's better than the last new TNA direction, if nothing else.
MD: You have to win, no matter what. SC: Why didn't you try that this year?
The angle was kind of confusing since they weren't portrayed as heels at all initially.. they attacked Abyss and RVD was on their side. Then they are quasi heels at the end, but Dixie says she invited them. Seems like a Russo black and white specialty here. So who knows, but I doubt they end up as heels.
EDIT - Also, Russo loves ladder matches with screwjob endings. King of the Ring 99 anyone? That was the best ladder match in years, though.
I actually caught most of this show. They did a...not stellar job of telling us where all those "management" people stood. I THINK they were joining the ECW group....or were they? Do we suddenly expect to see D-Lo, Kenney, Snow, (umm I already forgot who else) performing in ring again? TNA seems to have enough "performers" already.
I still do not pay enough attention to tell any of them blonde chicks apart, though. Sorry.
Do they ALL have to swear? It kinda lessens the iMPACT! is all I'm sayin'.
Originally posted by u2bcThe show opens with the updated Top 10: 10 Rob Terry 9 Pope 8 Angle 7 Hernandez 6 Styles 5 Lethal 4 Joe 3 Anderson 2 Hardy 1 Abyss. Abyss at #1 AND no Des Wolfe? Instant fail.
Styles pins Terry at Victory Road -- the first we've seen of Terry in a month -- and Styles drops in the rankings while Terry rises? What's that about?
On the other hand, Wolfe dropping off makes sense given his win/loss over the last six months.
Originally posted by u2bcSolid outing, but 6 minutes is never enough for an I Quit match, especially one that has a break in-between.
Yeah, no reason at all it couldn't have been a regular match with a tap-out ending. Goofy. Still, my favorite part was when Williams hit a catapult on Kendrick but held on to Kendrick's legs -- causing Kendrick to fall flat on his face -- and then Williams rolled back into a single-leg crab. Sweet.
Originally posted by Psycho PenguinAnd I'm wondering who's under the motorcycle outfit since that's clearly not Tara.
It was supposed to be Kaz, but at the PPV it was Christopher Daniels; tonight I think it was Kiyoshi.
Originally posted by It's FalseLest I rant on that for much longer, let's go to another reason I hated this show. Only TNA could book a screwjob finish in a Ladder Match. And it's a real shame, because the match was great to that point. But seriously, HOW do you book a screwjob in a FREAKIN' LADDER MATCH?
Actually, I thought it made perfect sense. Taz's comments about Earl Hebner not being the original ref were off-base -- both Earl and Brian Hebner were "original" refs, but one was on the outside, one on the inside, so there's no "second ref runs in" nonsense like there was on Sunday. Beer Money won because neither ref was paying attention -- Brian Hebner got thrown to the outside, and Earl was checking on him, right? And that's the part that I really liked: Earl wasn't watching the match because he was worried about his son. That was a poignant little touch, man.
Regardless, the Beer Money/MCMG Best of 5 is, by itself, enough to keep me watching for the next month. I assume that the winners of each match get to choose the stip for the next, which is pretty neat.
Originally posted by It's FalseSee, here's the problem with the ECW invasion, right off the bat.
My problem with the ECW in comparison with the NXT angle is that the Nexus are guys with a future, and the ECW guys only have a past. Enough of these dudes already.
I'm really not excited about the ECW thing, but I was sure surprised when they attacked Abyss. So are they "THEY" and were stringing Abyss along, or is there another "THEY"?
Originally posted by CRZ I THINK they were joining the ECW group....or were they?
Al Snow joined in, yeah -- same with Patrick Kenny, né Simon Diamond -- but Snow, at least, was surprised when Dixie said she "invited them," so who knows whether he's actually included.
Other guys that ran out included D'Lo Brown, Terry Taylor, and Phi Delta Slam, all siding with the TNA regulars.
Also, Devon sided with ECW, but notable by his absence was Brother Ray.
I am unconvinced that the ECW crew are even intended to be heels per se, but maybe it doesn't matter -- TNA has trouble getting their crowd to boo the heels, like, EVER, so maybe they figured, screw it, we give up; let's just throw them out there and let things shake out as they will.
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(edited by Karlos the Jackal on 16.7.10 0259) Last 5 movies seen: Terribly Happy **** - Los Olvidados ***1/2 - Greenberg *** - Toy Story 3 **** - The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo ***1/2
Cracking ladder match. I love "best of" series', and I love that this one is being used to put over the tag titles. Maybe Bischoff is gone for good after all.
The ECW thing...gah. Old, old, old. These guys were, in the main, broken down and played out ten years ago. I just don't get why they think this is a good idea. I also think that it moves Paul Heyman's arrival further into the realm of wishful thinking - I think he's as over ECW as most of the sane world is, and probably has no interest in rehashing it yet again. Whatever they do with these guys, it's not gonna match up to the first One Night Stand, which is where the ECW name should have ended.
I have to actually see the episode to determine if it was good or not. I have read two recaps already and they both agree on one thing, the ladder match was awesome, yets its Beer Money and Guns, so no surprise there. If ECW is just going to do a PPV thats fine since both the ECW One Night Stands were probably the best non-Mania PPVs WWE put on those years. Those guys know how to work those matches and depending on where its at, it might be good since the ECW crowd is really the star of these things anyway. If it gets Bischoff and Hogan into the bingo hall, it will be worth it. My problem with doing an ECW invasion story is yeah, they are older guys, it might take away screen time from people like Jay, Morgan and Hernandez who are coming into their own right now. I also don't know if a Tommy vs. RVD main event is exactly what he want for this show either. Tommy was a good champion last year for ECW, so it might work, but I really don't see many people ordering it. If its a two month thing and they know how to end it, I am ok with it.
Playing the part of Balls Mahoney: Raven. Man, that guy looks about as bad as Piper these days.
I loved the ladder match as well. I look forward to the rest of the series.
It is never wise to judge an angle either way the first week, so I won't. But I am still a big ECW fan, so I will give them a few weeks to see where it is going. If it runs for a few months with a blow off, no problem. If they drag it on with no conclusion, like the MEM, well...
As far as Wolfe is concerned, I think I will just stop bitching and start looking forward to his ROH return.
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
I tuned in to the last half hour based on a set of spoilers I read that said this "blew the Nexus debut out of the water." Umm, not so much. By the way, horrible, HORRIBLE camera work right before the attack. It was pretty clear that they were trying to focus attention on Mick Foley and have the ECW attack be "ohmigod, they're entering the ring" as they cut to that camera ... but in the shot of Abyss staring at Mick Foley you can see Dreamer in the background making his way to the ring.
I'm going to go on record here as predicting that "they" are the same "they" that Abyss has been talking about and "they" do a SHOCKING SWERVE and turn on ECW's own RVD at the PPV.
As an aside, I haven't watched a whole lot of TNA and I believe last night was the first time I'd heard RVD's theme music there. I like it.
Originally posted by Hokienautic By the way, horrible, HORRIBLE camera work right before the attack. It was pretty clear that they were trying to focus attention on Mick Foley and have the ECW attack be "ohmigod, they're entering the ring" as they cut to that camera ... but in the shot of Abyss staring at Mick Foley you can see Dreamer in the background making his way to the ring.
So true. It never ceases to amaze me how TNA does this in a post-produced show. It's almost as if they're trying to look amateurish.
Originally posted by HokieAs an aside, I haven't watched a whole lot of TNA and I believe last night was the first time I'd heard RVD's theme music there. I like it.
It's a rarity, good TNA theme music. I don't know why it is, but most of them are just so generic and there's hardly ever anything catchy about it. I mean I can't even hum any of their themes except maybe Abyss and Jarrett. WWE just seems to make better, catchier theme music, I guess.
Forfeit the game, before somebody else takes you outta the game, and puts your name to shame Cover up your face, you can't run the race The pace is too fast, you just won't last - "Points Of Authority" - Linkin Park
Originally posted by used2bcool Match 1: Streetfight: Sarita over Taylor WIlde via chokeout in about 5 minutes. I didn't count the pre-break stuff, and this was fairly long and chaotic. Sarita grabbed someone's purse-looking thing and choked Wilde out with it for the win. 1 for 2.
I chuckled at the dig Taz got in regarding the whole Danielson/choking/WWE thing.
Honestly, I dug the Sarita/Wilde match and was amused by the Beautiful People promo though it felt like they were cursing for the sake of cursing at points.
The ladder match was just perfect - I look forward to the next matches. I didn't have a problem with the ending - though I am getting tired of referee interaction (though both companies are guilty of it; I just think that referees should very rarely get involved in the match). I thought it was a good way to let Beer Money get one up and still let the MCMG look strong coming off of the win on Sunday. Plus, it was a classic heel movie to steal the win like that.
As for the ECW thing? I didn't mind it but that lack of ability to do an overrun KILLS it. When something like that happens, the announcers need the ability to get over the unpredictability of it and stress the fact that they're going to stick with it to see what comes of it.
Cutting it off right when Dixie is about to explain WHY she invited them was just odd especially when it's supposed to be "live". You can't just yell "cut" and pick it back up next week. I guess you can't really fault TNA for that when it's probably Spike TV's call but, really, you couldn't have lobbied to get a couple extra minutes when the show that follows you is Jail?
Originally posted by used2bcoolAbyss now destroys a watermelon with Janice.
This clearly means "they" is Gallagher, of course. FORESHADOWING~!
Originally posted by CRZI still do not pay enough attention to tell any of them blonde chicks apart, though. Sorry.
Lacey is the tall one. Madison is the short one. Velvet is the one in between with the dark streaks in her hair.
Angelina is the one that looks like she's had as much work on her face as she has on her boobs. Had you asked a few weeks ago I would have stated that Taylor was the one who wasn't on TV but since that's changed, we'll go with Taylor is the one who doesn't suck nearly as much as the rest of them.
Despite the breasts, Ric Flair doesn't fall into the same group as the above and you probably recognize him anyway.
thumbs up to the Saritaylor fight, TBP segment and ladder match. otherwise meh to blah as always. The shows ARE better with Hogan and Bisch out of the building. Agree this "extreme" angle has no legs using the retirement home and that Heyman is less likely to come in. The ECW guys would be better suited in this angle to being manager/mentor types to current wrestlers and instead of doing an invasion style group have it be more of an style influence building individuals and tag teams up.Heyman had some great ideas and was masterful at building characters and using wrestlers to their strengths but even He has got to realize that TNA is never going to be fixable with current upper management in place. I think the solution is not to be "pro wrasslin'" or "sports entertainment" but to be more like MMA in that it is a sporting event that's entertaining. Focus on matches, giving them ring time with just a couple character building segments per show. the announcers need to talk about what's going on in the ring or facts pertinent to the competitors and leave the hype for the beginning and ends of show segments. There are 44 minutes per hour of programming time so I really think 40-60 minutes of ring time with 4-6 matches per 2 hour show is reasonable. Of course given the roster size what they really could use is 2 more hours of tv time a week but their current format doesn't logically support it without a complete change in the direction of the company.
So what are you saying, that the only reason Vince never fires Paul is because he's big enough to know that friends can argue but they'll patch things up eventually? Does this sound at all like Vince McMahon to you?