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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.32
I can't believe with 8 hours of free TV every month that people still expect every match to be saved for PPV. Which they probably wouldn't order anyways. And do you really think a gimmicked up RVD/Jeffrey (which has been done in WWE before) or Styles/RVD (DREAM MATCH OMG!!!111) would do any LESS buys just because they already had a match? Give me a break. The complaints never cease to amaze me.



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.51
    Originally posted by Trunzo
      Originally posted by lotjx
      As for the show itself, its probably the best two hours of wrestling done this year.


    You never cease to amaze, lotjx.


It's not that outlandish to say that. Even The Observer agreed: http://www.f4wonline.com/content/view/13080/.

And it's not like it's had a lot of competition this year. Impact has been a monkey circus and RAW has been like Mormon Sex.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.89
    Originally posted by lotjx
    The MITB cash in is hotshoting the title, Drew winning the IC title and so on.
Drew McIntyre won the IC title at a PPV, after having feuded with John Morrison for a month. I question your definition of hot-shotting with regards to an angle that took place entirely within one episode, but I can assure you that Drew winning the IC was not a hot-shot by any definition.



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.49
Somebody winning a world title at the end of a show when they weren't even booked in a title match at the beginning of it is hotshotting.

"Its easier to be critics then to give congratulations."

Congratulations for *what*? For tanking the company with an ill-advised move to Monday nights and horrible booking before putting on one night of good wrestling with a shock title change? You're so deperate for TNA to be awesome that anything other than blind praise is met with a pissy attitude. Last night was a good show. Let's see what the company looks like next week, because so far the current team have done waaaaay more harm than what can be undone with one RVD title win.
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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.52
I'll praise TNA: They had the better show last night. I only saw half of it but I saw all of RAW and I can confidently make that determination. Hell, Velvet Sky and Lacey Von Erich's ring gear was better than anything I saw on RAW. (With the exception of the towel wrapped around CM Punk's head backstage, which looked hilarious.)

The opening promo between AJ, RVD, Hardy and Hogan was better and ultimately more meaningful than the promo that opened RAW with Triple H, the Straight Edge Society, and Rey. I didn't understand why AJ was so upset he'd have to defend the title against one of two guys who were being forced to wrestle each other on the same night, nor did I get why RVD and Hardy were so happy to be booked to wrestle twice, but whatever. The ending justified the means to me.

Here's my thing about a hotshot: I don't mind a hotshot if it's actually hot. RVD winning the TNA Title is hot. I sure regret missing RVD vs. AJ because I was watching Jack Swagger's ring entrance and promo.

At 11:05pm I said to myself, I should have watched all of TNA instead of RAW. That's a victory for Hogan and Bischoff. It won't translate to any money going in TNA's pocket from me, but it's a victory in perception. That's something.

(edited by John Orquiola on 20.4.10 0721)

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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.89
How did Russo pass up the opportunity for a dime bag on a pole match between RVD and Hardy?
Funny listening to Hogan talk about defending the title every night, as he buried the WCW belt for 6 months at one stretch.
In a perfect world for TNA, they run live each week, you have Hardy vs. RVD this week and you build an audience off that for next week with Styles vs. RVD. Being taped next week kills that plan, as stating if you win the match tonight, you get the title shot in 2 weeks. That makes the in-between show filler.
The question of TNA 'hotshotting' stuff is this: They threw everything out there on one night in January when Hogan debuted rather than stringing the audience along by having guys debut sporadically rather than all at once. They threw a lot of stuff out there in one night in April. If they are going to build an audience rather than have peaks and valleys, they can't decide now not to throw everything out there again until July.
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.80
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran

    And yeah kentish, I will second-guess the guys running TNA, given that they're the only wrestling bookers in North America to have driven a major international promotion into bankruptcy, and by doing the exact same things they're doing now.

    One night of good TV after four months of fumbling and all sins are forgiven and TNA is on the road to salvation. If only Vince mcMahon were afforded the same kind of adulation. But he's not, and rightfully so.

One night of good TV after four months of fumbling and all sins are forgiven and TNA is on the road to salvation. If only Vince mcMahon were afforded the same kind of adulation. But he's not, and rightfully so.

What I mean is I am not foolish enough to think I know how to run a company better than those who do. Also, just because their shows have been mediocre to bad recently, is no reason to complain about a show I enjoyed last night because I thinks next week's episode will be bad, or that the previous week was bad.

I just don’t understand the idea of enjoying a show, but the first reaction is to complain. True, I may not have a ton of confidence in them right now based on recent performances, but they earned my benefit of the doubt last night. But if you did not enjoy the show, you may see things differently. More power to you.




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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.46
This week's show was pretty good but I have two problems.
1. The entire show was two angles. Yeah, Morgan asked Moore to be his partner and the Knockouts had a match. But really the entire show was AJ/RVD/Hardy and Flair/Hogan. That's all you can fit into a 2 hour program?

2. Redsoxnation touched on it. If they don't want to save matches for their PPV then that is fine. But I don't think they had to give up Hardy/RVD and RVD/AJ the same night. If they really want ratings and they think this is the way to do it then it should have been Hardy vs. RVD and then advertise RVD vs. AJ another week.

I have to disagree with people that liked the opening segment. AJ Styles is far from a great talker and he was the best of the four. Hogan and RVD are both tired acts and Jeff Hardy is awful on the mic. Maybe the best moment of the night was when Jeff Hardy said to AJ, "you have a little head for somebody with such a big head" to which AJ mouthed "that doesn't make any sense!"



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.14
Show was ok .... for a TNA show! BUT:

RVD's haircut gets worse everytime I see him. He needs to see a REAL barber badly! Other than that: Not one new move in years! Only the same old sh**! And why wasn't he able to get rid of the blood from the match he had earlier that night? Because TNA isn't PG?

As far as the fans are concerned: I found them annoying! They cheered all the time! ALL THE TIME! That's overkill! Nobody can be THAT excited!

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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.52
Rob Van Dam the first man ever to have held the WWE Championship, the ECW Championship and the TNA Championship.

Kurt Angle and Mick Foley never won the ECW Championship (and now they never will).



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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.72
    Originally posted by Tyler Durden
    Show was ok .... for a TNA show! BUT:

    RVD's haircut gets worse everytime I see him. He needs to see a REAL barber badly! Other than that: Not one new move in years! Only the same old sh**! And why wasn't he able to get rid of the blood from the match he had earlier that night? Because TNA isn't PG?

    As far as the fans are concerned: I found them annoying! They cheered all the time! ALL THE TIME! That's overkill! Nobody can be THAT excited!




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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.80
    Originally posted by Tyler Durden
    Show was ok .... for a TNA show! BUT:

    RVD's haircut gets worse everytime I see him. He needs to see a REAL barber badly! Other than that: Not one new move in years! Only the same old sh**! And why wasn't he able to get rid of the blood from the match he had earlier that night? Because TNA isn't PG?

    As far as the fans are concerned: I found them annoying! They cheered all the time! ALL THE TIME! That's overkill! Nobody can be THAT excited!



You made a valid point about RVD needing some new moves. But it's funny you make fun of RVD's hair with Jeff Hardy standing right beside him. And are you really going to bash the fans for being excited and cheering?? Seriously? If those are 2 of your 3 complaints about the show, it must not have been too bad.




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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.34
    Originally posted by kentish
    You made a valid point about RVD needing some new moves. But it's funny you make fun of RVD's hair with Jeff Hardy standing right beside him.


In Jeffery Nero Wolfe Desmond Jennings Hardy's defense, it's not like RVD has any court dates coming up any time soon. At least he can throw a suit on with that hair and look polite-society presentable.





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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.66
    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
    I can't believe with 8 hours of free TV every month that people still expect every match to be saved for PPV. Which they probably wouldn't order anyways. And do you really think a gimmicked up RVD/Jeffrey (which has been done in WWE before) or Styles/RVD (DREAM MATCH OMG!!!111) would do any LESS buys just because they already had a match? Give me a break. The complaints never cease to amaze me.


There's something to be said for making the most of 'dream matches' whenever they occur. For instance, Cena and Batista were kept apart for years on different brands in WWE with the expectation and their first match would be at a future Wrestlemania. Instead, WWE hotshotted that match for Summerslam due to concerns about Batista and (at the time) Cena's longer-term health, and it ended up being pretty forgettable. So when Batista/Cena at Mania finally happened, it felt like a missed opportunity since we'd already seen them square off with little build, though they did their best to make the WM26 match seem like a massive showdown.

In signing RVD and Hardy, TNA had two ready-made fresh main events right there by putting each man against Styles. Instead, Hardy/Styles occurred on free TV and now RVD has beaten both his friend and top challenger plus the champ in the same night, also on free TV. You can run Styles against Hardy or RVD on Impact all you want after they've had that initial PPV match, but still, that initial 'special' first encounter should be saved for fans who want to pay for it.
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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.56
Judging by the lack of action on the TNA PPV threads it seems like nobody watches them anyways, so who cares if they want to give us the stuff for free?

It was a very good show. Who cares if they run out of surprises down the road. You got a good show this week, enjoy it for once.

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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.59
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    Rob Van Dam the first man ever to have held the WWE Championship, the ECW Championship and the TNA Championship.

    Kurt Angle and Mick Foley never won the ECW Championship (and now they never will).


Jack Swagger can still do it though.

As far as booking goes, there are Heyman to TNA rumors flying around.
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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.87
According to Meltzer Impact drew a 1.0 rating last night. They drew a 0.79 last week.
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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.52
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
      Originally posted by John Orquiola
      Rob Van Dam the first man ever to have held the WWE Championship, the ECW Championship and the TNA Championship.

      Kurt Angle and Mick Foley never won the ECW Championship (and now they never will).


    Jack Swagger can still do it though.


Technically, no. Swagger is the World Heavyweight Champion. Unless Swagger wins the WWE Championship and then wins the TNA Championship, he can't do what RVD did (and that would actually surpass what RVD did). But Kane can still do it if he ever goes to TNA.

But Swagger can be the first to be World Heavyweight Champion, ECW Champion and TNA Champion if he ever jumps to TNA. Unless CM Punk beats him to it.

(edited by John Orquiola on 20.4.10 1552)


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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.32
    Originally posted by Big Bad
      Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
      I can't believe with 8 hours of free TV every month that people still expect every match to be saved for PPV. Which they probably wouldn't order anyways. And do you really think a gimmicked up RVD/Jeffrey (which has been done in WWE before) or Styles/RVD (DREAM MATCH OMG!!!111) would do any LESS buys just because they already had a match? Give me a break. The complaints never cease to amaze me.


    There's something to be said for making the most of 'dream matches' whenever they occur. For instance, Cena and Batista were kept apart for years on different brands in WWE with the expectation and their first match would be at a future Wrestlemania. Instead, WWE hotshotted that match for Summerslam due to concerns about Batista and (at the time) Cena's longer-term health, and it ended up being pretty forgettable. So when Batista/Cena at Mania finally happened, it felt like a missed opportunity since we'd already seen them square off with little build, though they did their best to make the WM26 match seem like a massive showdown.

    In signing RVD and Hardy, TNA had two ready-made fresh main events right there by putting each man against Styles. Instead, Hardy/Styles occurred on free TV and now RVD has beaten both his friend and top challenger plus the champ in the same night, also on free TV. You can run Styles against Hardy or RVD on Impact all you want after they've had that initial PPV match, but still, that initial 'special' first encounter should be saved for fans who want to pay for it.


You make a good point, but when was Rock/Austin's first match? That's arguably the best draw9ing feud of all time and I bet you don't even know off the top of your head. How many matches did they have on free TV also? I bet at least one.

Also, while there is something to be said for 'saving the m,atch for people that would buy it', why wouldn't 'having casual fans see the awesome match and then pay for a rematch' be just as good a strategy for a company thats not gigantic?



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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
Well I know I personally am a die-hard RVD fan and I will be watching TNA regularly if he's the champion/involved in the championship picture
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With or without the SWEAT STAINS OF DOOM? B^} I agree with your main point though...RVD *could* be making money for the WWE, but they're not really giving him a chance to.
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