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The Recap for TNA Impact 11.18.2010, taped from the Impact Zone in Orlando, FL.

Yes, that is the title of the show.

We start with a recap of Jeff Hardy's descent into the darkside. Flair starts the show proper and wants to discuss Matt Morgan. Morgan made a big mistake putting his hands on Flair, so Immortal/Fortune have decided to make a special guest ref for Morgan's rematch against Hardy - Flair! But Flair doesn't want Morgan complaining backstage, so he invites him out here. Morgan heads out and Flair lets him know that his privilege of being able to call Flair "Naitch" has been rescinded, as only Flair's friends can call him that. Flair says he could easily have had Fortune come out and kick Morgan's ass, but he doesn't ask people to do things that he can do himself. Tonight, he challenges Morgan to a match! Morgan says wrestling Flair is "number one on [his] bucket list" and is up for the challenge. Flair talks about sleeping with someone whose name I didn't understand, then promises that Morgan will rue the moment he left Fortune to become a kissass, and that Morgan's nuts will shrink once he gets in the ring with Flair. Morgan says he's looking forward to sticking his size 18 boot up Flair's ass. 1 for 1 Morgan was great in that he kept a straight face. Flair was ON. He makes me forget just how uninterested I am in watching him wrestle.

Backstage, Tara says she'll be watching Gen Me closely. She gives them both the good-ole ass slap for good luck. Somewhere, Matt Sforcina is very very jealous.

Match 1: 8-Man Tag: Jay Lethal, Motor City Machine Guns, and Velvet Sky v Generation Me, Robbie E, and Cookie
Faces get the upper hand early and Max winds up in a position where Sky is standing on his nuts and the rest are kicking him while he's in the tree of woe. Shelley gets caught in the wrong corner and worked over. Robbie E spends too long showboating, resulting in a hot tag to Lethal, who cleans house. Lethal Combination gets only two and things break down. CATFIGHT! The ref gets distracted (and who wouldn't?) and misses the pin after a Skull and Bones. Sabin gets hairsprayed and pinned in about 6 minutes. 2 for 2 Fast and furious. There was enough talent in the ring to cover for Robbie E and Cookie. Post match, MCMG want Gen Me in an empty arena match at Reaction. What's the point of that?

Jarrett instructs Gunner and Murphy to stay outside and ensure that Angle doesn't come inside, as he has lost his integrity. He terrorizes Borash for a while. He promises to showcase his MMA skills tonight. Borash gets all emotional and asks him what happened to him, but Jarrett explains he didn't sell out, rather he bought in. He says the company is being run correctly and they will make it profitable once and for all. I was under the impression that TNA was already profitable, but I don't know.

Double J Double M A Exhibition
Borash is there for the introductions. Jarrett is apparently an "MMA Enthusiast." JB tells us not to try this at home. But apparently we can try everything else on TNA TV. JJ demonstrates the Cross Armbreaker, a kneebar, an ankle lock, and a rear-naked choke, which take out 4 students, all the while namedropping Ken Shamrock, Frank Mir, and the Gracies. Samoa Joe interrupts, so JJ offers that he'll face Joe in a submission match if Joe can go through the two remaining students. Joe kills them in due time with a keylock and what looks like an Anaconda Vice. So the match is made! JJ instructs his students to attack him and splits. The students are destroyed, including one who eats a Muscle Buster. 2 for 3 It was interesting, but took too long. Jarrett was a bit slow with these holds, though he is certainly a much more entertaining heel than he ever was a face. Crowd didn't get into it until Joe started destroying the students.

Raven's career is on the line! Next!
Match 2: Win or Fired: Jeff Hardy v Raven:
Raven controls early with some trademark moves and takes Hardy outside for a while. He finds a chair and sets it in the corner but Hardy reverses a whip into it and takes control. He misses the Whisper in the Wind, however, and Raven nails him with the discuss clothesline and corner bulldog for 2. EvenFlow is reversed into the Twist of Hate and the Swanton finishes this in about 3 minutes. 2 for 4 It was a glorified squash, even though Raven got to cycle through his trademark moves.

Hogan comes out to pile on the misery as Raven sits in the ring in disbelief, consoled by EV2.0. He notes how Dixie had the gall to say that EV2.0 and Raven and "his henchmen" were to wrestling what Hogan was to wrestling in the eighties. He mocks him and fires him with "You're fired. Quoth the Hulkster, nevermore." What a douche.

Dreamer calls out Rhino for some explaining. Rhino says everyone knew that his contract expired after the match at Turning Point but no one did anything about him. He says Bischoff offered him employment and he took it because he was in TNA long before Dreamer and EV2.0 showed up to steal his spotlight. Dreamer says that he and RVD came to TNA because Dixie offered them contracts. He says he cared about everyone in the back, but Rhino's deal expiring is part of the business and he had nothing to do with that. Lame! Dreamer says Rhino sold out, but Rhino says he has to support his family. He says Dreamer and Rob are selfish and from now on Rhino, too, will be selfish. Rhino points out that they're at the mercy of Bischoff and Hogan, so Dreamer says to go down with a fight. Dreamer says Rhino just quit on his friends. Rhino's had enough and it's time for a GORE on RVD! 2 for 5 Dreamer tried his best with the weak material, but Rhino's never been a great talker and expecting him to carry that segment is probably not the right idea.

Match 3: Casket Match: Abyss v Shannon Moore
Random! Abyss ragdolls Moore for a while but eats a second-rope bulldog and nearly gets rolled into the casket. They fight outside but Abyss falls victim to a springboard moonsault. Moore can't roll him all the way in, and Abyss fights out again. Moore escapes a chokeslam but eats the Black Hole Slam. Abyss rolls him to the casket, but Pope is inside the casket and beats up Abyss for the DQ in about 6 minutes. 2 for 6 It's a 6-minute casket match. Pope has Undertaker powers. Abyss looked like a complete fool.

Angelina Love is backstage, and is all respectful-but-feisty when it comes to Mickie James.

Match 4: Knockouts Title # 1 contedership: Angelina Love v Mickie James
Winner gets Rayne at Final Resolution. It's almost all Angelina for the first four minutes or so, with Mickie making ill-times comebacks. She makes one stick, finally, with headscissors and a neckbreaker but runs into a kick for 2. Elbows and the DDT (Mickie-DT? Primal Scream?) from Mickie finishes at about 6 minutes. 3 for 7 Now this was a good match and should've been hyped the hell out of, at least since the beginning of this show. I wouldn't mind them going at it longer, at a PPV.

Angelina hasn't taken her loss too well and tosses things backstage before Winter shows up to tell her to calm down and relax. Things are as they are meant to be.

Brother Ray heads to the ring and since he's in a good mood, he's going to give us an explanation. Ray says he created the greatest tag team finisher in history, the 3-D. Everyone has fallen to the 3-D. He goes on to a laundry list of names, until he stops on Chris Sabin. He says Sabin kicked out of the 3-D because Devon was weak. Devon was always two steps behind Ray, where he belonged. Honestly, any one of Ray's brothers could've been his tag partner, because Ray was the star. Ray was Shawn, Devon was Marty. Devon was just a sidekick, a guy who got him tables. Ye-ouch!

Match 5: "Wrestling God" Ric Flair v Matt Morgan
If Morgan wins, he picks the ref at Final Resolution. If he loses, he loses his title shot. What happened to the earlier stip with Flair being the ref? Morgan squashes Flair early but Flair gets dirty and low blows him to take over. The story is that Flair is no match for Morgan, so he cheats like a bastard. Flair goes into the guardrail and bleeds as we head to Reaction. Morgan beats the living shit out of him until the ref takes a bump and Fortune intervenes and beats down Morgan. Douglas Williams refrains from all this and observes, which causes AJ to take offense. Williams beats him and Storm down but Roode cuts him off. Morgan clears Roode and Kaz and gives Williams the thumbs-up. Carbon Footprint kills off Flair as the ref miraculously recovers in 8 minutes. 4 for 8 Good enough match. Flair held up his end of the bargain, though it is getting uncomfortable for me to watch the old man bleed time and time again.

End Show.
Wrestling Counter: 29 minutes.
The Score: 4 for 8 A decent show, which was held together by the second half after the first half tanked miserably. They advanced most of the storylines and built towards the PPV without losing a lot of focus. Apart from the Casket Match there was no random booking, which is always a good sign. And Fortune's cracking already? Usually this happens after they dominate all comers and establish themselves as the Kings of Wrestling.

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I tried watching most of this, but I keep missing the good stuff like the mixed tag match, the KOs and Morgan/Flair. I couldn't even stay awake for the main event, but that is due to the Bears/Dolphins game being even more boring. I don't know if I would go with Morgan/Hardy again as a Main Event for Turning point. The PPV looks like a retread of the last PPV with some tweaks here and there. I did hear the MCMG/Generation Me reaction match was damn good though.

I understand they want to make this a period of darkness and thus they are trying to build some new faces which I will give them credit for that, but its just not working. We all know Morgan is just there to lose until Anderson or Kurt get back. Jeff has done some good work with his turn, but he needs to given more to do instead of being Hogan's flunky. He is the World Champ, he should be given more time to do his thing, his Ledger Joker tapes work do more of that. Hardy also needs to face some more established Main Eventers like Kurt and RVD instead of Morgan. Morgan has done a good job with his turn, but Jeff needs some creditability wins so when Anderson, Pope or Joe beat him, it will mean something. I just hope they don't give it to Sting just to lure him back. If Sting comes back, go after Flair, have one last feud then walk into the WWE Hall of Fame in Atlanta with Flair inducting him.
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It's probably a result of Hulk Hogan's "It's gonna get real!" initiative to reveal on camera that Chris Sabin has been dating Velvet Sky for some time, but all I know is that I now really, really hate Chris Sabin.



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Isn't Flair only under contract for a year? I could totally see Vince throwing money at him to sign him away for WM in Atlanta.
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Flair's contract is based on days worked much like Foley. Its also with Panda energy and not TNA. The rumor is 52 dates to 65 dates for one year. He will probably be done by January or early February just in time to start the Mania hype. I can't imagine a WCW Hall of Fame without Flair especially if Arn goes in.
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.08
    Originally posted by lotjx
    Flair's contract is based on days worked much like Foley. Its also with Panda energy and not TNA. The rumor is 52 dates to 65 dates for one year. He will probably be done by January or early February just in time to start the Mania hype. I can't imagine a WCW Hall of Fame without Flair especially if Arn goes in.


I love Arn Anderson's work. I was tickled to see him on RAW this week. But I don't see him going in the HOF unless it's as part of the first stable/family induction.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.62
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      Originally posted by lotjx
      Flair's contract is based on days worked much like Foley. Its also with Panda energy and not TNA. The rumor is 52 dates to 65 dates for one year. He will probably be done by January or early February just in time to start the Mania hype. I can't imagine a WCW Hall of Fame without Flair especially if Arn goes in.


    I love Arn Anderson's work. I was tickled to see him on RAW this week. But I don't see him going in the HOF unless it's as part of the first stable/family induction.

I would say Arn is as qualified as several people already in, such as Mr. Perfect, Volkoff, or the Iron Shiek, and and even more so than some, like Koko (the measuring stick), Sheri Martel, or the Blackjacks.




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Only one ref bump and one turn this week. That has to be the fewest we've had this year. I really liked the opening segment it wasn't a 20 minutes yak a ton it got to the point quickly. Flair and Morgan were both strong in their roles. I guess The Pope has The Undertaker's supernatural powers. TNA really should have hyped up The Mickie-Angelina match much better and really this should be a PPV match with a big build. The Jarrett MMA segment was never ending. Morgan Vs Flair was better than expected and Morgan came out of the match looking strong. I would guess we'll see Williams feud with Styles and should lead to some excellent matches for the TV title. The MC MG-Gen Me empty arena match was brutal just some sick bumps and great intensity. I question The MCMG getting the best of Gen Me yet again though. This has pretty much been a one sided feud. Hogan was fine on Impact but awful on Reaction with his it's gonna get real talk after fake ass titles selling out arenas, drawing PPV buy rates and all that.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.20
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      Originally posted by lotjx
      Flair's contract is based on days worked much like Foley. Its also with Panda energy and not TNA. The rumor is 52 dates to 65 dates for one year. He will probably be done by January or early February just in time to start the Mania hype. I can't imagine a WCW Hall of Fame without Flair especially if Arn goes in.


    I love Arn Anderson's work. I was tickled to see him on RAW this week. But I don't see him going in the HOF unless it's as part of the first stable/family induction.
Why not? He was One of the most underrated wrestlers ever. He was in numerous great tag teams was one of the best tv champions and had great matches. He was also a big part of The Horseman. You can throw in the fact that he was one of the very few to pin Hogan as well. If he wrestled in this era he would be a ten time world champ.

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    Originally posted by kentish
    I would say Arn is as qualified as several people already in, such as Mr. Perfect, Volkoff, or the Iron Shiek, and and even more so than some, like Koko (the measuring stick), Sheri Martel, or the Blackjacks.


I suppose I'm pessimistic about the WWE's perception of the NWA/WCW days, even for an Atlanta WM induction.

Arn certainly has the titles to support a HOF argument: 4 Southeast tag titles, 1 NWA National tag title, six world tag titles (NWA/WCW/WWF), 4 TV titles, and he's the cornerstone of the Horsemen (Flair would be the capstone). He also works backstage at the WWE, which helps.

But if the WWE is going to use the Atlanta WM to present its notion of worthy WCW figures, I don't know if he beats out Goldberg and Sting, if they're available. Maybe I'm so cynical about the chances that I'm devaluing the choice with disclaimers if he is inducted. I don't want to be that way about it. If Arn gets in, I should be the one to cheer the loudest.

(edited by Matt Tracker on 19.11.10 0914)


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If it's "one WCW big name plus the usual WWE midcarders/limo drivers", probably not. If it's an actual top-to-bottom WCW tribute, Arn is a shoo-in.
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Reminder: the WWE Hall of Fame counts for as much as that top-50 list, which is to say it exists solely to turn old footage into new profits. Pretty much anyone is eligible at any time for any reason.
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Striker has been touting Teddy Long and Arn Anderson as future HOFs on TV. That's usually for a reason.
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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Striker has been touting Teddy Long and Arn Anderson as future HOFs on TV. That's usually for a reason.
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    Originally posted by KJames199
    Reminder: the WWE Hall of Fame counts for as much as that top-50 list, which is to say it exists solely to turn old footage into new profits. Pretty much anyone is eligible at any time for any reason.


True, but being a WWE Hall of Famer has some cache to it. No one will refer to anyone on that list in perpetuity as "WWE Top Fifty Greatest Wrestlers Ever List-Inhabiter" So-and-so. No one on that list will get to get all dressed up, have a fancy televised ceremony, and get to give a speech in front of all their peers (and thank Vince McMahon) just for being on that list.



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    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      Originally posted by kentish
      I would say Arn is as qualified as several people already in, such as Mr. Perfect, Volkoff, or the Iron Shiek, and and even more so than some, like Koko (the measuring stick), Sheri Martel, or the Blackjacks.


    I suppose I'm pessimistic about the WWE's perception of the NWA/WCW days, even for an Atlanta WM induction.

    Arn certainly has the titles to support a HOF argument: 4 Southeast tag titles, 1 NWA National tag title, six world tag titles (NWA/WCW/WWF), 4 TV titles, and he's the cornerstone of the Horsemen (Flair would be the capstone). He also works backstage at the WWE, which helps.

    But if the WWE is going to use the Atlanta WM to present its notion of worthy WCW figures, I don't know if he beats out Goldberg and Sting, if they're available. Maybe I'm so cynical about the chances that I'm devaluing the choice with disclaimers if he is inducted. I don't want to be that way about it. If Arn gets in, I should be the one to cheer the loudest.

    (edited by Matt Tracker on 19.11.10 0914)

Good points made on AA.

I read an interview with HHH where he pretty much said Goldberg isn't worthy, mostly due to lack of longevity (which I totally agree with). His vote probably goes a long way. But I don't see Sting ever working with WWE. I am quite certain he would never wrestle, as it would be awkward to have a 50 something year old man make his WWE debut.




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    Originally posted by kentish
    I read an interview with HHH where he pretty much said Goldberg isn't worthy, mostly due to lack of longevity (which I totally agree with).


Well, Goldberg was a top star in the United States for four active years. That's about equal to Ultimate Warrior, who Goldberg was more famous than and who WWE invited to be inducted last year before it fell apart over money.

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Goldberg should go in. He was one of WCW's big stars and even though his run with WWE was bad, he still held the WWE title and was getting over until his contract ran out. Funny coming from HHH who pretty much helped bury Goldberg when he got to WWE. Arn is a Hall of Famer. If Koko can get in, so should Arn hell if half the people in the WWE Hall of Fame don't belong if Arn is not in it. If it were me booking this WCW HOF, it would be Arn, Goldberg, Lex, Sting, Teddy, the Steniers, Booker T, Macho Man and Elizabeth. All of have had stints in WCW and deserve to be put in. I also doubt they can get Sting which is ok since I can't see Flair pulling double inducting people. You save Sting down the road if need be. You can probably secure the rights to the rest. If they can't get Flair for Arn, then JJ Dillion is an adequate choic, but they should do everything in their power to get Flair for at leas this night and knowing Flair's relationship with Arn, I am sure he would do it.
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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Striker has been touting Teddy Long and Arn Anderson as future HOFs on TV. That's usually for a reason.


He actually did it again tonight on SD! (but then suggested the Brooklyn Brawler about a minute later...)



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I'm surprised everyone is assuming that it'll be a WCW tribute Hall of Fame this year at WrestleMania just because it's being held in Atlanta. As a WCW mark, I'd love to see it, but seeing as how WCW has been nothing but buried ever since the purchase in 2001 (botching the seemingly unbotchable inVasion, and having people in all their "best-of" DVDs constantly criticizing the company)...

...Let's just say if they finally took a night to celebrate the best of WCW without being snarky about it (and inducting, say, Alex Wright, Steve "Mongo" McMichael, Paul Roma and Brian Adams), I'd be very pleasantly surprised.

My votes for the WCW Hall of Fame, by the way, would be the collective Four Horsemen (and I'd be blown away if they acknowledged Chris Benoit was a prominent member for several years), the collective New World Order, and, individually, Arn Anderson, Diamond Dallas Page, Lex Luger, Big Van Vader, The Steiner Brothers, Harlem Heat, and of course Sting.

And when he retires, I imagine Rey Mysterio is a shoo-in, as well-- as much for his accomplishments in WWE as in WCW. By a substantial margin, he's the "WCW guy" (as in, a person who was in WCW when it was bought out) who's been most successful in WWE, though he wasn't acquired until six months after the Invasion.



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