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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.29
No, I didn't do a recap, but... wow, what a show, don't you think? Everything seemed to click tonight, in my mind. The segment with Konnan's "Latino Clique" dominating their opponents and then taking on The New Age Outlaws was very effective, I think, and helps to set the stage for a future battle between those groups-- though the Outlaws would need a third guy, and it'll be difficult to convince Ron Killings to re-join them.

God help me, I loved the segment featuring The Truth and Bobby Roode. I was starting to wonder if they were gonna do a best-of-seven series in five minutes, or maybe a Chris Benoit/Orlando Jordan thing.

The six-man tag-team match between Styles/Daniels/Sabin and Shelley/Aries/Strong was fantastic, especially if you like the so-called "flippity-floppity" style of the X Division (which I do). And hats off to TNA for having an unexpected result on free TV for once and giving the win to "Generation Next", instead of the X-Division dream team of Daniels, Sabin and Styles.

And even though it'd been done before once in WCW, I thought the Sting tribute was great. Man, brings back some memories. I remember in 1997 being enchanted by this mysterious man known as Sting, who clearly had issues with Hollywood Hogan, and being irritated when J.J. "Dumbass" Dillon didn't get it the first hundred or so times. "I'll give you a match with... Vincent!" You bet'cha.

Overall, a fun, fun show, I think.



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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.36
Yep, that was a great wrestling (read: not "sports entertainment") show tonight. Probably would have been even better if I didn't read the spoilers beforehand.

I was ready for that Sting segment to suck, but it was surprisingly good, if only for hearing Monty Brown tell Christian "this is entertainment". I don't know why that struck me funny, but it did.

I'm pretty sure I've made my feelings on TNA bringing in Sting fairly well known, but they're doing the best job possible of building anticipation for his debut. Now hopefully they'll realize he can best be used to give a rub to Cage, Brown, Abyss, etc.

The BG James angle continues to be good. I look forward to seeing Homicide in action.

I also liked the X-Division six man, mainly becuase it's good that they're building up some of the lower tier guys in the X-Division to eventually replace the current top guys. That's not to say the match itself wasn't any good. I don't prefer the "flippity floppity" style, but I do appreciate the stuff they do (if that makes sense).

And Samoa Joe is awesome, but everyone knew that already. They need to stop being stupid and give him a raise to make sure he doesn't jump ship.



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This was the first time I think I'd actually got to hear Joe cut a promo, and I was pleasantly surprised, not sure what to expect I suppose.

Jarrett still gets way too much airtime, and so does Monty Brown. What people see in this guy I don't understand. Everything about the guy is just cheesy (for lack of a better term).

And this may have been a first...TNA actually had a cliffhanger, and no one knows quite sure what it is. D'Amore said he read the letter addressed to Jarrett, and I'm interested to see what happens.

Dudleys (errr..Team 3D) are still bitter about getting canned at WWE, and the distain they showed about the WWE titles was funny stuff. Although correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the only reason they won the WCW Tag Titles was because of the Invasion angle in the WWE??

They're getting better to what they used to do on Fox, and that's a good thing, but there's still a lot of room for improvement.



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.01
Of course Bubba saying that Team 3-D were better than the Road Warriors made me laugh. I mean The Roadies had the Midnights and Horsemen to feud with back when tag wrestling actually meant soemthing.

Could it be the only good team in TNA is Styles and Daniels?

And sweet Jebus... D-Von must be eating The Red Scare's Steriod Matrshmallow crunchies because he looks like Ahmed Johnson now!

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#5 Posted on
    Originally posted by J.H.
    Of course Bubba saying that Team 3-D were better than the Road Warriors made me laugh. I mean The Roadies had the Midnights and Horsemen to feud with back when tag wrestling actually meant soemthing.

    Could it be the only good team in TNA is Styles and Daniels?

    And sweet Jebus... D-Von must be eating The Red Scare's Steriod Matrshmallow crunchies because he looks like Ahmed Johnson now!

    James

    (edited by J.H. on 8.1.06 0846)


Yeah, D-Von's man boobs were out of control last night.

And count me in as one who was impressed by the 3-man tag last night. I tend to get a bit bored of the spot-after-spot-after-spot Ultimate X matches, but this one for some reason held my attention. It might have been the fact that they actually gave me a reason to care for once -- would the underappreciated X Division stalwarts overcome the current favorites to make a name for themselves? Unfortunately, that storyline will probably be forgotten about by next week, but what can you do.

Speaking of that match, the weirdest thing for me has been that they have this great PPV angle in the X Division -- Christopher Daniels returns from injury to take on the man who put him in the hospital, Samoa Joe -- but they don't seem to really be building it up. Every week, Daniels takes on some random X Divison types while Samoa Joe has some random squash, with the only mention of their feud being periodic backstage interviews with one of the two. Am I just used to the WWE-style "overexpose the feud before the PPV" style? Or are they really screwing this one up?
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#6 Posted on
this is the first show i've missed in months they have a replay at midnight on monday correct? figures i miss the really good show
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.29
Oh, forgot-- the one complaint I can think of about the show was the (as usual) strange attitude of the fans in attendance. Every time Jeff Jarrett opens his mouth, the crowd immediately chants "boring"-- before he's even said anything. But they cheer absolutely everyone else, even Samoa Joe, who said that he was the one to make it impossible for Christopher Daniels to hold his newborn child, and said he'd paint another blank canvas (his towel) with Daniels' blood. Daniels is a face, yet Joe was getting face heat from the crowd.

Hey, TNA fans, you want another heel other than Jarrett to hold the title? Then allow yourselves to boo somebody other than Jarrett.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.01
Other thoughts...

The 6 man tag was the best spot-fu I've seen in awhikle. That's not a slam o nthe match as sometimes a good spot-fu match reminds a guy how much fun wrestling ca nbe.

I really think that with all the other guys TNA has they really need a secondary singles belt for the non-X Division guys (hell even some of the X guys who have nothing to do)

Would a TV title be so out of the question? Even work the old 15-mute TV time limit gimmick. Hell it would give at least 2 other guys in Team Caanda something to shoot for and a guy like Rhino or Killings a title feud to build around.

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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
    Originally posted by J.H.
    Of course Bubba saying that Team 3-D were better than the Road Warriors made me laugh. I mean The Roadies had the Midnights and Horsemen to feud with back when tag wrestling actually meant soemthing.

    Could it be the only good team in TNA is Styles and Daniels?
I don't think Bubba said that they were "better" than the Road Warriors, technically -- just...more decorated, I guess. Good point about the other teams, but do you really think AMW aren't a good team? (Admittedly, they suffer when they don't have strong competition, such as the New Church or XXX.)

I read that supposedly Tenay is pushing for a X Division Tag belt, which seems silly to me -- a TV title would be a much better idea, and teams with X guys can just go for the regular tag belts. I mean, if there's seperate divisions, what would you with a team like, say, Kash and Hoyt?

Eke -- yeah, the problem with the Orlando fans is they cheer good wrestlers (or wrestlers that hang out with them after the show), regardless of what "side" they're on. I wish they would "play along" a little more, you know?

The Samoa Joe program would work a whole lot better if they were booing the hell out of him, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen. Maybe it's TNA's fault for not making Joe Heel-y enough, but I'm not sure what else they can do, short of making Joe a crappy wrestler.

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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.95
Sure there are some guys who could benefit from another belt but is there really enough time on a one hour show for a World Title belt, a X Division belt, a tag belt, and a couple of other non title feuds? Nope. Since the tag team division is weak I say they use the left over guys for new tag teams. At first they might seem like two random guys thrown together like the WWE usually does but new tag teams have to start somewhere. Team up Bentley and Sabin or Aries and Strong, team up Sonjay with someone.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.01
Eh... let bubbas believe that the Dudley's are more decorated. It's not the number of times you win the belts but rather how your championship reigns are viewed that matters. The Dudleys can win 18 tag titles but the Roadies held the AWA tag belts for close to a year, the WWE tag belts for 6 months and the NWA tag straps for 5 motnhs. Add to that a long reign as AJPW tag champs (or was it All Asia champs?)

As for AMW... they always feel like like Young Stallions 2k% to me (i.e. barely passable singles wrestlers that make semi-ok tag team). Heck the Naturals actually made really good champs for awhile there.

I did hear the rumors of the X Division tag belts. Not a bad idea imo but they need to establish more regular teams.

In summary... TV title good, X Division tag belts not bad but not right now.

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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.62
The time for a TV Title came and went 10 years ago. The concept being buried by WCW didn't help.
Also, the main factor for the TV Title was that the World Champ was a traveling champ who usually wasn't in the territory, and if he was, he wasn't wrestling on TV, or at best was facing the Don Kernodle's of the world.
The U.S. Champ was thus the #1 belt for Crockett at the time, and thus you would rarely see a meaningful title defense on television, let alone witnessing the belt change hands.
The TV Title then provided a way to elevate a wrestler, plus provide a solid match (unless Dusty was TV champ, then the TV champ didn't wrestle on TV) to fill 10-15 minutes while providing the hope for the fans that they could witness a title change.
Once the US and World Title began to be defended on television against quality opponents, the TV Title became as vital as the Mid-Atlantic Title during it's dying days of the Black Bart vs. Sam Houston feud.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
    Originally posted by Quezzy
    Team up Bentley and Sabin or Aries and Strong, team up Sonjay with someone.
Well -- it looks like they might stable-ize Strong, Aries, and Shelley -- good thing, too, if last night's show is any indication.

I agree there's no room for another belt -- but if they do add one, an X tag belt would be pretty low on my list.

    Originally posted by J.H.
    Heck the Naturals actually made really good champs for awhile there.
Yeah, well. The Naturals are (IMO) SO much better as weaselly, powder-throwing, cheat-to-win heels than they are as do-or-die underdog faces that it's not even funny. Too bad the heel side of the tag team scene far outnumbers the face side right now.

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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.67
    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    The segment with Konnan's "Latino Clique" dominating their opponents and then taking on The New Age Outlaws was very effective, I think, and helps to set the stage for a future battle between those groups-- though the Outlaws would need a third guy, and it'll be difficult to convince Ron Killings to re-join them


Maybe this is where TNA throws Sean Waltman another bone. Aligning him with the James boys seems logical.

Damn, I loved Samoa Joe's backstage interview. For some reason I marked out for it.

I do agree that TNA needs some sorta of TV title or something. However, they need more TV time before they start adding championships.

(edited by Mayhem on 8.1.06 2149)
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.29
I think Sean Waltman's been thrown more bones than any one person oughta get, thanks. Besides which, X-Pac sucks.

But they *do* need a third guy, I think.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
    Originally posted by Mayhem
      Originally posted by ekedolphin
      The segment with Konnan's "Latino Clique" dominating their opponents and then taking on The New Age Outlaws was very effective, I think, and helps to set the stage for a future battle between those groups-- though the Outlaws would need a third guy, and it'll be difficult to convince Ron Killings to re-join them


    Maybe this is where TNA throws Sean Waltman another bone. Aligning him with the James boys seems logical.



It does look like Killings has moved onto other things. Waltman should not be invloved with wrestling right now. Could they use another one of the Gen X guys like Hall or Nash? I know Nash was injured but when can he come back? I'm not really interested in this happening and I honestly don't believe it will happen but if people are mentioning Waltman why not mention those guys too.

I would like to throw out one name that is totally out there... Bart Gunn.
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.95
A few random thoughts:

-What was the point of the Ron Killings segment exactly?

-I think the Six Man would have ended a LOT better if Sabin hadn't obviously been sent out there to bite the bullet so that Daniels and Styles didn't have to. They were supposed to prove that they could beat Styles, Daniels or Joe, and all they proved is that they could beat Sabin (which isn't exactly an accomplishment, lately).

-The only part of the Sting segment that got me interested at all was Christian's entrance. Was I the only one amused that the rationale for why Sting coming to TNA was that it was because TNA was the new face of pro wrestling? Sting? The new face of pro wrestling?

-Do you think Team TNA will get pissed off that Storm was just flapping around the ring instead of helping out during their beatdown?

-Everything else was pretty decent or good. I like that TNA is letting their guys develop more characters now than just having them be "guys who wrestle." I only wish that more people would be taking better advantage of it (the only guy who really seems to be developing a solid gimmick right now is Alex Shelley as Billy Kidman Circa 2000). Joe is killer, but the other story developments just feel really flat to me.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.88
    Originally posted by Excalibur05
    A few random thoughts:

    -What was the point of the Ron Killings segment exactly?


They've got to be going somewhere with it, especially with Rood getting the win on the 3rd attempt. If it was trying to build the Truth for a main event push, he'd have hit his finisher instead of just using the rollups. If he's not going to be picking sides in the 3LK breakup, then he needs something immediately or he gets lost in the shuffle.

    Originally posted by Excalibur05


    -I think the Six Man would have ended a LOT better if Sabin hadn't obviously been sent out there to bite the bullet so that Daniels and Styles didn't have to. They were supposed to prove that they could beat Styles, Daniels or Joe, and all they proved is that they could beat Sabin (which isn't exactly an accomplishment, lately).




I don't think any of the other X-guys except Bentley would fit into Sabin's spot in that match. After the beat down on AJ, they could have pinned him without hurting him, especially if they got the Daniels and Sabin out of the picture. It's an awkward position with AJ and Daniels having other stuff to do at the PPV and having this storyline come up now. Besides, if they finalize the deal with Shannon Moore (which I thought I heard was verbal at this point), that's one more potential feud for AJ. Maybe this was a contingency against Moore not signing?

    Originally posted by Excalibur05
    -The only part of the Sting segment that got me interested at all was Christian's entrance. Was I the only one amused that the rationale for why Sting coming to TNA was that it was because TNA was the new face of pro wrestling? Sting? The new face of pro wrestling?


But it's also the place to be, according to Christian. At least to the casual WCW fan, if Sting comes out and says he wanted to come to TNA instead of WWE, it fits. I don't know that anybody is going to argue that Sting is new.



    Originally posted by Excalibur05
    -Do you think Team TNA will get pissed off that Storm was just flapping around the ring instead of helping out during their beatdown?




My thoughts exactly. Maybe he was hammered? Maybe he had a plastic beer bottle and thought he'd slip under the radar? I got nothing... :-)

    Originally posted by Excalibur05
    -Everything else was pretty decent or good. I like that TNA is letting their guys develop more characters now than just having them be "guys who wrestle." I only wish that more people would be taking better advantage of it (the only guy who really seems to be developing a solid gimmick right now is Alex Shelley as Billy Kidman Circa 2000). Joe is killer, but the other story developments just feel really flat to me.


I'm liking Konnan's new stable. There's potential in the NAO, especially if they don't end up falling back into the old BG-as-Ricky-Morton formula, but I know the likelyhood of this happening is slim. Christian maneuvering into the title picture is entertaining. AMW's developing into a fine heel team. The Shelley/Strong/Aries group was very good first outing in TNA. I don't follow ROH so I don't know all their backstory, but considering how they've fared up until now in TNA, their storyline fits and can make them all standouts in the X-Division.

Joe is probably the best thing they've got going today, partly because he hasn't been on a national stage all that long so the mystery factor is there and he gives off that same vibe that Tazz had when he was on top in ECW.

(edited by HairRaiser on 10.1.06 1228)


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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
    Originally posted by JohnHayduke
    It does look like Killings has moved onto other things. Waltman should not be invloved with wrestling right now. Could they use another one of the Gen X guys like Hall or Nash? I know Nash was injured but when can he come back? I'm not really interested in this happening and I honestly don't believe it will happen but if people are mentioning Waltman why not mention those guys too.

    I would like to throw out one name that is totally out there... Bart Gunn.
Bart's shown up before, fighting Perry Saturn, so it's not a totally goofy idea. Waltman makes the most logical sense, but I agree that he's had his chance(s).

I'd really rather see someone like Chris Sabin in that slot. Sabin is totally lost in the X Div and, worse, has no "personality" and no signs of gaining one. Being the young up-n-comer recruited by the veterans would give him a nice boost and the opportunity to differentiate himself, and raise the probability of some good matches coming out of this.

    Originally posted by Excalibur05
    -What was the point of the Ron Killings segment exactly?
Well, Killings is a veteran, and he's cannier than Roode -- but Roode is a brute, and if he gets a chance to hit his move, he will destroy you. So I took it as an attempt to define these characters for new viewers by using in-ring action (!) rather than promos.

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