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#21 Posted on
    Originally posted by PaulKTF
      Originally posted by hansen9j
        Originally posted by PaulKTF
        Heyman has said he won't be coming in, and they'll never drop the PPVs because that's probably their biggest source of income.
      They *should* be TNA's biggest source of income, but instead they have such small buys that they're not much more than breakeven. I'd imagine the Spike contract is by far their best source of income.

      (Which does *not* mean that they should be focusing on ratings over PPVs, because a) they don't get paid any different if the 3/3/11 or 2/3/11 Impacts do good or bad, and b) the PPVs in the past have been a reasonably strong source of income for them.)


    That brings up a question- how much longer will Spike put up with TNA's dead-in-the-water ratings and inability to gain any sort of traction?
You do realize that Impact is one of Spikes highest rated shows right? As far as what the surprise is unless it's Heyman, I couldn't care less.



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.77
    Originally posted by PaulKTF
      Originally posted by hansen9j
        Originally posted by PaulKTF
        Heyman has said he won't be coming in, and they'll never drop the PPVs because that's probably their biggest source of income.
      They *should* be TNA's biggest source of income, but instead they have such small buys that they're not much more than breakeven. I'd imagine the Spike contract is by far their best source of income.

      (Which does *not* mean that they should be focusing on ratings over PPVs, because a) they don't get paid any different if the 3/3/11 or 2/3/11 Impacts do good or bad, and b) the PPVs in the past have been a reasonably strong source of income for them.)


    That brings up a question- how much longer will Spike put up with TNA's dead-in-the-water ratings and inability to gain any sort of traction?


Impact gets the best ratings on Spike next to UFC stuff, so unless they get other programming that outperforms it, they'll keep it.

And I know Heyman isn't coming in, but I was just pointing out the level of "surprise" it would have to be for me to care.
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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.69

I believe Dave said at one point the TNA PPVS may actually be money losers, but they keep doing them partially because of contracts and partially because monthly PPVS are what wrestling companies do and it would look bad if they stopped doing them.



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
    Originally posted by PaulKTF
      Originally posted by hansen9j
        Originally posted by PaulKTF
        Heyman has said he won't be coming in, and they'll never drop the PPVs because that's probably their biggest source of income.
      They *should* be TNA's biggest source of income, but instead they have such small buys that they're not much more than breakeven. I'd imagine the Spike contract is by far their best source of income.

      (Which does *not* mean that they should be focusing on ratings over PPVs, because a) they don't get paid any different if the 3/3/11 or 2/3/11 Impacts do good or bad, and b) the PPVs in the past have been a reasonably strong source of income for them.)


    That brings up a question- how much longer will Spike put up with TNA's dead-in-the-water ratings and inability to gain any sort of traction?


What else are they going to put on in it's place?

Gangland? I dunno, what other shows does Spike have?

It might not do Raw type numbers but it has a steady viewership that tunes it faithfully each week (evidenced by their standard 1.0ish number).
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#25 Posted on
Hogan returning from back surgery?
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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.59
    Originally posted by PaulKTF
      Originally posted by hansen9j
        Originally posted by PaulKTF
        Heyman has said he won't be coming in, and they'll never drop the PPVs because that's probably their biggest source of income.
      They *should* be TNA's biggest source of income, but instead they have such small buys that they're not much more than breakeven. I'd imagine the Spike contract is by far their best source of income.

      (Which does *not* mean that they should be focusing on ratings over PPVs, because a) they don't get paid any different if the 3/3/11 or 2/3/11 Impacts do good or bad, and b) the PPVs in the past have been a reasonably strong source of income for them.)


    That brings up a question- how much longer will Spike put up with TNA's dead-in-the-water ratings and inability to gain any sort of traction?
Graves is right. Raw does much better ratings than Impact, but USA does much better ratings than Spike. (But the ratings that Impact was putting up head-to-head against Raw were not Spike-quality.)



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#27 Posted on
    Originally posted by Big G
    Hogan returning from back surgery?
They're already advertising him for March 3rd.



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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
    Originally posted by graves9
      Originally posted by Big G
      Hogan returning from back surgery?
    They're already advertising him for March 3rd.


Which, funny enough, is being taped tomorrow - so TNA is actually competing against themselves advertising for the live show and also promising a "major, shocking event".
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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.77
    Originally posted by odessasteps

    I believe Dave said at one point the TNA PPVS may actually be money losers, but they keep doing them partially because of contracts and partially because monthly PPVS are what wrestling companies do and it would look bad if they stopped doing them.


Who cares if it is "what wrestling companies do"? Wrestling companies used to have strict territories. Thinking outside the box is what makes a company grow.

I for one think that the PPV model is outdated. It works for UFC, because they don't need storylines to sell a fight. Wrestling is like episodic television.

It would be like Dexter making you pay extra to see the season finale.
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Nous ne nous pouvons pas sortir.
Can we just sticky one of these threads so every time they have an earth shaking announcement we can save ourselves the effort of coming up with three pages of new reworded snark at TNA's inanity?



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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.73
    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
      Originally posted by odessasteps

      I believe Dave said at one point the TNA PPVS may actually be money losers, but they keep doing them partially because of contracts and partially because monthly PPVS are what wrestling companies do and it would look bad if they stopped doing them.


    Who cares if it is "what wrestling companies do"? Wrestling companies used to have strict territories. Thinking outside the box is what makes a company grow.

    I for one think that the PPV model is outdated. It works for UFC, because they don't need storylines to sell a fight. Wrestling is like episodic television.

    It would be like Dexter making you pay extra to see the season finale.


UFC absolutely does need storylines to sell a fight. It's all in how they promote an upcoming bout. They've frequently presented guys who have no chance of realistically winning as having much better odds than there is any legit reason to expect, and the face-offs between Ultimate Fighter coaches are probably the most pro-wrestling style manipulated of anything UFC does. Despite getting similar ratings to TNA, the difference is UFC can convince half or more of that audience to actually spend money on their product, and TNA can't. The question is why TNA can't.

I'd say the major reason for that is UFC pays off their storylines. There are real consequences. Yes, the fights are real, but as Dana White is quick to point out, cheerleading has a higher rate of actual injury than MMA, so it's not just that. What is undeniably true is that if a guy loses a title he's out of the title picture until he beats a major contender. If a guy keeps losing his UFC status is at stake (unless he's one of Dana's boys like Chuck Liddell, in which case you can be knocked out seventeen times in a row and still get fights). It's all about wins and losses. TNA may not do anywhere close to UFC numbers just due to wrestling's perception now versus UFC's, but they absolutely could be doing better numbers than they are if everything on their show wasn't a random series of events that don't mean anything and have no rhyme or reason to them. It also doesn't help that Dixie Carter is a goof who releases people out of their contracts to make Royal Rumble appearances, which defeats the fundamental purpose of contracts.





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#32 Posted on
Remember how every Nitro was the greatest Nitro ever? TNA, and pro-wrestling in general, is a business of hyperbole; always has been, always will be. Everything is exagerated to some degree, and in some cases absolutely falsified, for the sake of getting your entertainment dollar.

On that note, when you consider how the WWE just brought back Undertaker, HHH, and the Rock, TNA has really set the scope at their own foot on this one; what praytell can even hope to compare as 'the biggest surprise of the year', unless it's a thumb to the nose to let the really hip TNA fans know they're making fun of the WWE in some way?

Oh yeah, my money's on some goofy inexplicable swerve (gotta love when a group of guys eat chairshots and powerbombs when they were really in cahoots along just to stick it to a group of... you know what, too convoluted to continue typing.)



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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.00
    Originally posted by Lexus

    On that note, when you consider how the WWE just brought back Undertaker, HHH, and the Rock, TNA has really set the scope at their own foot on this one; what praytell can even hope to compare as 'the biggest surprise of the year',


And this is what actually makes me curious.
It would have to be something SHOCKING like Jericho joining them to actually matter at all.

I don't expect them to live up to their claim, and I cannot watch the show but I will check the reports of the show first thing tomorrow, fully expecting to roll my eyes at their idiocy but who knows..






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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.83
Even Jericho or Batista joining doesn't live up to that kind of hyperbole. This is "Vince sells WWE to Dixie Carter in the middle of the ring" type hype.
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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.00
    Originally posted by dMp
      Originally posted by Lexus

      On that note, when you consider how the WWE just brought back Undertaker, HHH, and the Rock, TNA has really set the scope at their own foot on this one; what praytell can even hope to compare as 'the biggest surprise of the year',


    And this is what actually makes me curious.
    It would have to be something SHOCKING like Jericho joining them to actually matter at all.

    I don't expect them to live up to their claim, and I cannot watch the show but I will check the reports of the show first thing tomorrow, fully expecting to roll my eyes at their idiocy but who knows..




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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.00
TNA's website proclaims:

"Thursday: Don't Miss The End Of iMPACT!"

...Last ever Impact?

;)



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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.00
    Originally posted by griff
    TNA's website proclaims:

    "Thursday: Don't Miss The End Of iMPACT!"

    ...Last ever Impact?

    ;)


Wow; that's a remarkably unfortunate choice of words on their part.
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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.63
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    Even Jericho or Batista joining doesn't live up to that kind of hyperbole. This is "Vince sells WWE to Dixie Carter in the middle of the ring" type hype.


Really? That would only qualify as the biggest surprise of the year? I would think Vince could sell the company to Stephanie and at least be in the running for Surprise of the Decade.

TNA are simply calling this the MOST SHOCKING SURPRISE OF THE YEAR - GUARANTEED!!! (emphasis theirs) so that's actually fairly tame by TNA standards. There's no claim that this will change TNA forever, no promises that TNA will destroy the WWE. Compared to past hype, this almost doesn't even count as hyperbole.

And while TNA rarely live up to the hype, it's not as if they've never done so. Bringing in Kurt Angle was a legitimate big deal. As was bringing in the Hogan-Bischoff regime. Granted, they rarely execute even when they do pull off something big, but in this case they're not promising any long term results, just a shocking surprise.

To add to my earlier guess, which I can't even remember what they were now, I'm going to go with a GWF Invasion. They already have (or have recently had) half of The Cartel on contract, so why not? (Granted, the other half are either dead or physically incapable of wrestling, but it's not like anyone would remember who The Cartel was anyway.)

Alternatively, Dixie Carter is pregnant and doesn't know if it's Vince Russo or Jeff Jarrett's child.
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#39 Posted on
    Originally posted by PaulKTF
      Originally posted by griff
      TNA's website proclaims:

      "Thursday: Don't Miss The End Of iMPACT!"

      ...Last ever Impact?

      ;)


    Wow; that's a remarkably unfortunate choice of words on their part.



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#40 Posted on
    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    The Reformation of the NWO. Only this time, they have new hip gang hand signs.


Fixed ;-)
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