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YouTube has a video of the speech given by TNA producers to the fans in the iMPACT Zone about what they can't do (no swearing, no obscene hand gestures."

The funniest line was a guy saying, "Ask him why he waited six years to do this."

On one hand, this highlights why TNA has to move their show out of that studio and away from that same group of smart marks. But if they can't they're doing a bang up job of alienating the longtime TNA fans.

It seems like they want to create the atmosphere like at WCW Worldwide. Cheer and boo according to the "cheer" and "boo" signs.



Say what you will about Vince McMahon but he has never told the audience directly what they can't say and do. He just has arena security enforce his rules and puts out a product so horrid, it drove the smart marks away.



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Funny that he is concerned about kids watching the show hearing "Bullshit," but strip poker, porn stars, blood, and characters named "Homicide" and "Suicide" all make the cut of what is age appropriate.

Commentary from the fans in the audience is amazing.

"You need to help us tell a story" might be the most unintentionally hilarious line describing TNA.
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.20
    Originally posted by John Orquiola


    Say what you will about Vince McMahon but he has never told the audience directly what they can't say and do. He just has arena security enforce his rules and puts out a product so horrid, it drove the smart marks away.



But Vince does have sign police at the WWE shows complete with earpieces and headsets. I don't think they are arena staff.

Just saying.


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Sounds like they're ready for a slew of Bullshit chants...then again, seeing what they've done already, probably not bad planning on their part.



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Wow.

You would never see WWE do this much coaching of the crowds.
The commentary from the people is amazing.
"My kids are here"
"Why would you bring your kids to wrestling?"

Total reverse psychology. No swearing and gestures only invites more swearing and gestures.

Funny how they tape in Orlando as this came off as such a Disney announcement, especially calling them "Cast Members".
Disney calls every employee from stage performers, to street sweepers, ticket takers, and popcorn vendors "cast members".
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What TNA needs to do is develop some "chant blurring" technology - sorta like an audio equivalent to the WWE's video removal of all old WWF scratch logos. This way, when the "bullshit" chants inevitably start, instead of giving us awkwardly stuttering mute button action, we can just get some unintelligibly blurred crowd heat. You'll KNOW there's a reaction, but it'll sound just weird enough that you'll want to immediately take to the message boards to bitch about it.

I think I need to go patent that concept right now, in fact. Stay there; I'll be right back.



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Looks like the video was removed by TNA?
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.97
    Originally posted by CRZ
    What TNA needs to do is develop some "chant blurring" technology - sorta like an audio equivalent to the WWE's video removal of all old WWF scratch logos. This way, when the "bullshit" chants inevitably start, instead of giving us awkwardly stuttering mute button action, we can just get some unintelligibly blurred crowd heat. You'll KNOW there's a reaction, but it'll sound just weird enough that you'll want to immediately take to the message boards to bitch about it.

That reminds me of an episode of Monday Nitro back in 1995, when Hogan showed up in black for the first time (pre-nWo) after having his neck "broken" one week prior. I remember the crowd loudly booing the shit out of him, up to the point where WCW had to pipe in canned face heat that was normally used on WCW Saturday Night.

Okerlund tried to excuse the booing as the crowd being "shocked" to see Hogan in all black. Good times.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
Trying to lecture angry, bitter, strangely entitled wrestling fans would seem to have a very low success rate. Like dwaters said, this is only going to backfire.

Since this is TNA, I guess it's more likely they actually thought it would work (or knew it wouldn't but were desperate for an easy fix.) But...

- TNA's running storylines specifically designed to fool people on message boards
- TNA's running storylines about the old TNA vs the new TNA.

Maybe they were not so unhappy about this speech getting out (which they had to know it would.) Or maybe this wasn't part of a great plan but soon will be.



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The thing with Vince is his version of censorship is more stealthy. He has people placed to stop certain signs from getting on TV, but he is not stupid enough to come out and post a video chastising the crowd. He also doesn't have to stay in one spot at least anymore for Raw or any of the other shows. TNA is stuck with the fans they have and treating them like children is not going to help. Heyman is the perfect example of how to deal these crowds, he got them fired up, he went out and told them the truth when shit went down. He gave them respect and in turn they gave him respect back. ECW fans were fickle to say the least, but Paul kept them in line.

Hogan and Eric or whoever is running the show believes they live in a world where wrestling secrets must be kept and the fans are rubes who think its all real. The fans they are talking to are more savvy and smarter then the 70s, 80s and 90s. They probably feared Hogan coming then anyone and sadly they are the ones who will keep coming til TNA throws them out. They also act like spoiled kids as well, so a talk was probably needed, but it should have come from someone like AJ, Dixie or even hell Flair, someone they respect. Impact fans don't seem to respect Hogan or Eric due to Eric and Hogan showing them zero respect. If the Genesis promo is any indication, its going to be a long road for TNA to find their groove with the new regime.

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I think that Hogan and Bischof both feel as if people are going to cheer for them, "just because".

They've come out, shit on the fans, get booed, can't figure out WHY they are getting booed, turn one of the faces of the company heel with no real reasoning, make one of the other faces of the organization sit out a PPV, keep Sting in the rafters, push Bubba the love sponge down people's throats, even though they had competent interviewers. They bring in washed up guys who nobody has seen anywhere except a high school gym in the past four or five years and make them a main focus, push over the hill Kevin Nash as a a huge force, when he can barely walk, they put Hogan's daughter on TV and she gets booed. It seems that no matter what they've tried (and they've only been here two weeks really) it's failed, and they don't seem to know, or care.



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If the Cast Members really want to get at Hogan etc and this isn't a work, just stand up and walk out in protest when he comes to the ring. Pile of empty seats on the hard side of the camera doesn't look good.
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    If the Cast Members really want to get at Hogan etc and this isn't a work, just stand up and walk out in protest when he comes to the ring. Pile of empty seats on the hard side of the camera doesn't look good.
But....then they wouldn't be on TV!!



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    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by redsoxnation
      If the Cast Members really want to get at Hogan etc and this isn't a work, just stand up and walk out in protest when he comes to the ring. Pile of empty seats on the hard side of the camera doesn't look good.
    But....then they wouldn't be on TV!!


Plus, it's a taped show. Wouldn't you just get more people in those seats and retape?



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All of you are missing the point of the Impact Zone! (and yes, I still owe you a bitching on this!)

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    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by redsoxnation
      If the Cast Members really want to get at Hogan etc and this isn't a work, just stand up and walk out in protest when he comes to the ring. Pile of empty seats on the hard side of the camera doesn't look good.
    But....then they wouldn't be on TV!!
Without knowing a lick of how TV works...and I know there's someone here (sorry for forgetting who you are!) who works some NWA shows...maybe he can shed light on how tapings run, even on a smaller scale.

Anyhow...If fans walked out on Impact tapings, it's not as though they're losing money. Aren't the tapings free for anyone who's at Universal Studios at the time? Plus, even if there's a mass exodus of people who attend (which almost sounds like a funny prank to play, similar to the entire Yale "WE SUCK" (wikipedia) placard trick from years back) I'd bet there are enough cameras following the action to avoid showing people leaving. How fun would it be to watch a whole section of people get up from their seats and start leaving just as Hogan begins one of his pseudo masturbatory self-promotion "I'm here to save TNA" or whtever spots? The sheer logistics of it would be overwhelming, but hey, why not?

The sheer statement of so many people walking out when Hogan comes out would be awesome.

Anyhow, trying to control the crowd is terrible. I think the mind and voice of a Pro Wrestling fan is a great thing, because we have the ability to turn the wrestlers even if they're not actually TRYING to turn heel or face. I look at MVP as a great example. Was the WWE actually TRYING to turn MVP during his losing streak gimmick from a few years back? People are going to cheer and boo who they want, regardless of what people suggest. I don't think the WWE wanted to turn Hogan face during his match against The Rock during their match at Wrestlemania X-8, but it happened regardless. It's the fans.

In a related note, I think the end result of the Jack Swagger "Over the Top Rope Challenge" will end up seeing him a face, but that's a note for another thread. The fans will start cheering for him, much like with the aforementioned MVP.

Heck, isn't Samoa Joe supposed to be a heel? I doubt his recent face turn was written. It was the fans who started cheering for him again.

I don't think the fans can be silenced, at least for long. Hogan's been around long enough to know that natural fan reactions are the best. If I wanted canned laughter and cued applause, I'd watch sitcoms. If I want fans reacting to the product, I'll watch WWE. That's not to say that Vince doesn't silence negative reactions, but at least he's not trying to control the fans.

OK, rant over. My apologies. There are somethings that I just don't get.

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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.71
    Originally posted by Oliver
    How fun would it be to watch a whole section of people get up from their seats and start leaving just as Hogan begins one of his pseudo masturbatory self-promotion "I'm here to save TNA" or whtever spots? The sheer logistics of it would be overwhelming, but hey, why not?


Wouldn't TNA just bring in a batch of eager new people and tape the segment again?



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
While you can get in free as a park going, you can get in free without ever paying admission to the park. That's what the regular do - they're only there for the taping.

The Observer says attendance has been fine for PPVs, but bad for TV shows and TNA's had to do work to cover up the issues (moving everyone to camera side.) Just ditching troublesome fans and getting new people to take their place may not work if they can't actually get new people.



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.47

One of those Impact regular posted a long diatribe on some board and man, is it hilarious.





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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.20
Also, I would assume that TNA has some finite amount of time to film. It must take at least a little time to stop production, go find a bunch of new cast members to fill the role, then start production again. Factors such as salary for staff and other production costs would also come into play.
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