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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
    Originally posted by Jackson
    Joe got hurt and the match got cut short. Actually, as far as me trying to persuade Zed, why did you have to pick THIS PPV to break your silence? Honestly the match quality was the lowest I think I have seen on a TNA PPV.
Wait -- this seems kind of like a non-sequitor. I wasn't talking about the Ult. X match (and in fact I had mentioned the Joe thing earlier in the thread) and I think I comment on most every TNA PPV...is this directed at me, or who?

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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.88
    Originally posted by Jackson
    why did you have to pick THIS PPV to break your silence?
That's easy - this was the one I watched!

If this is truly unrepresentative of the usual level of quality of show*, I guess we all hope that any fans new to the product which they were looking to pick up based on Christian Cage being NWA World Champion don't get the wrong idea about TNA PPVs based on seeing this one first. ;-)

*and I'm not saying it was or it wasn't - I think the past two shows are the only TNA PPVs I've actually sat down and watched from beginning to end over the past year or so. I've been a LITTLE better about seeing WWE PPVs, but not much - mind you, I have ACCESS to all of them....I just end up not taking advantage of it right away some of the time.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.10
Sorry Karlos, I didn't see your edit. Didn't mean to confuse.

Anyway can SOMEBODY back me up here that Destination X really was "truly unrepresentative of the usual level of quality of show"?



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
    Originally posted by Jackson
    Sorry Karlos, I didn't see your edit. Didn't mean to confuse.
No problem.

    Originally posted by Jackson
    Anyway can SOMEBODY back me up here that Destination X really was "truly unrepresentative of the usual level of quality of show"?
I dunno. I've seen both better (Against All Odds) and worse (Final Resolution) just this year. They had a really great run late last year of three or four really good PPVs in a row.

I think if someone found it flat with good points, they might try another PPV with a more appealing card (especially if one of the things they hated was the end of the Ultimate X -- circumstances beyond TNA's control -- although Ult X is kind of a bad luck magnet). But if they hated it, like Stu, I'm not sure there's much point in trying again.

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#25 Posted on
    Originally posted by Jackson
    Sorry Karlos, I didn't see your edit. Didn't mean to confuse.

    Anyway can SOMEBODY back me up here that Destination X really was "truly unrepresentative of the usual level of quality of show"?


I've only seen the last two. This one was kind of poor, the last one was pretty good. At least good enough for me to order the next month's. I can't vouch for anything older than that.
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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.18
    Originally posted by Jackson
    Sorry Karlos, I didn't see your edit. Didn't mean to confuse.

    Anyway can SOMEBODY back me up here that Destination X really was "truly unrepresentative of the usual level of quality of show"?


I'm not sure I'd say that, but I'd say it was a pretty good show and better than New Year's Revolution and The Royal Rumble easily.

I'm not sure what was so horrible about it. The 8 man tag war was an awesome match. Lethal vs. Shelley and the International X matches were great. Naturals vs. Team Canada was pretty decent as well.

Also, Lethal vs. Shelley was NOT a spot-fu match. They mixed chain wrestling, high-flying, mat wrestling, and all those styles. International X had a lot of high spots, but those are just the icing on the cake of X division matches.

I was tremendously disappointed with the Ultimate X match. The way they built it up it should've been the main event, and it was so shockingly short that it kind of left a bad taste in your mouth and the end of the show kind of did as well.

But I'll take Christian vs. Monty Brown for the world title as a main event over Mark Henry vs. Kurt Angle, HHH vs. Batista, Edge vs. Cena for 2 minutes, Hogan vs. HBK, and HHH vs. Cena. The only main event world title match of actual quality that WWE produced recently was Undertaker vs. Kurt Angle at No Way Out.

(edited by The Vile1 on 16.3.06 1552)
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.46
Is spot-fu really part of the vernacular now? I always thought it was just tOA buttspeak.


    The only main event world title match of actual quality that WWE produced recently was Undertaker vs. Kurt Angle at No Way Out.


Batista/HHH Hell in a Cell, Hogan/Michaels, and Cena/Jericho were all really good title matches/main events. Now, that's only four in a calendar year, but at least it's more than one.
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.18
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Batista/HHH Hell in a Cell, Hogan/Michaels, and Cena/Jericho were all really good title matches/main events. Now, that's only four in a calendar year, but at least it's more than one.


Well I thought Hogan/Michaels sucked horribly and was a laughable match.

Cena/Jericho was never a PPV main event. As for the match itself, its symbolic of Cena's ineffective work as a competent face world champion and main event wrestler.
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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.46

    Well I thought Hogan/Michaels sucked horribly and was a laughable match.


That's wack, I say! Shawn Michaels bounced ***1/2 out of a 52-year old man and should be commended.


    Cena/Jericho was never a PPV main event.


It was certainly as much of a PPV main event as Kurt Angle/Mark Henry and Edge/John Cena.


    As for the match itself, its symbolic of Cena's ineffective work as a competent face world champion and main event wrestler.


It's a damn good match with an awesome atmosphere. Worlds better than Christian vs. Monty Brown, for the point of comparison. And there's something wildly hilarious about TNA Fan A#1 saying that chanting for both wrestlers in a match symbolizes ineffective work ... but at least the SummerSlam crowd wasn't chanting back and forth just to hear itself.

(edited by JustinShapiro on 17.3.06 0301)
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.14
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    It was certainly as much of a PPV main event as Kurt Angle/Mark Henry and Edge/John Cena.


And yet, Jericho/Cena was not the main event of Summerslam 2005. Hogan vs. HBK was. Just like Angle vs. Henry was the main event of the Royal Rumble this year, and Edge vs. Cena was the main event of New Year's Revolution.



    That's wack, I say! Shawn Michaels bounced ***1/2 out of a 52-year old man and should be commended.


Shawn Michaels bouncing around like a baka just made the match that much more laughable. Shows how seriously he took it, or didn't.

My main point is that Destination X still had some very good and quality matches and wasn't like the worst TNA PPV ever. That would be Victory Road. Destination X this year easily trumps last year's as well.

(edited by The Vile1 on 17.3.06 0016)
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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.80
Saying Edge Vs. Cena at NYR was the true main event of the show is liking saying Scott Steiner's weak-ass beatdown was the true main event of Destination X. Saying Christian/Monty Brown was a better match, from any vantage point, than ANY of the three Batista/HHH matches speaks volumes about your TNA hard-on. And saying Christian/Monty Brown is a better match than one that hasn't even happened yet-HHH Vs. Cena-is just plain retarded.

I also like how WWE gets ruthlessly criticised for any suspect direction they take, be it confirmed or even rumoured, but when TNA ships in someone like Steiner, a guy who could barely WALK let alone wrestle a decent match last time we saw him, there's barely a peep about the dumbass long-term planning it indicates.

TNA is good for what it is: An indy show with some respectable production values, and an enjoyable line in Super 8-style suspend-all-disbelief "workrate" matches. But it's not going to grow into a viable WWE alternative anytime soon, and it never will do unless it drastically changes certain elements of its product.



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.46

    Jericho/Cena was not the main event of Summerslam 2005. Hogan vs. HBK was. Just like Angle vs. Henry was the main event of the Royal Rumble this year, and Edge vs. Cena was the main event of New Year's Revolution.


I wasn't sure what the criteria for your list was when I first replied, but if it's just the last thing that aired on the show, I can't agree with that any more than I'd consider Scott Steiner's appearance the "main event" of the TNA show. The main event of the Royal Rumble was the Royal Rumble; they just dumbly shuffled their card order to do the lame trick with the ring. The main event of New Year's Revolution was the Elimination Chamber, with an angle coming after the match.

In the continued interest of fairness, I should point out that I forgot about two good WWE main events from the last 12 months. Michaels vs. Angle vs. Cena from Taboo Tuesday was very good. Cena vs. JBL, of all things, at Judgment Day was freaking great.


    My main point is that Destination X still had some very good and quality matches and wasn't like the worst TNA PPV ever.


That's fine by me. My only point was that WWE is bad enough that you don't need to exaggerate that badness to make a point. Five good main events in a year is still not very good. My subpoint would be that "this didn't suck as much as something WWE did!" is not high praise.
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