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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.20
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by Amos Cochran
      I'd also like to know why you turn the one genuine, nationawide-famous main-event face that's ascended in the last three years or so.


    You gotta understand, bro, nobody would expect Bret Hart to turn right after his brother died.
To be fair, Bret turned seven months after Owen passed. He was actually a heel when Owen passed and turned back face after.
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.20
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by lotjx
      I know I am the lone TNA defender, but the PPV delivered and I am glad I got it.


    Don't get me wrong, all the response I've read has said it was a really good wrestling show. Thanks to Angle, TNA PPVs seem to be beating most WWE PPVs in-ring pretty much by forfeit. Imag(eye)nation World Order though ... amazin'. Logic would tell me Fourtune turns face to keep Hogan and Flair opposite and since they're cheered anyway? But TNA has never shown a reluctance to have multiple heel stables going at once, it's their favorite thing this side of tournaments.

    (edited by JustinShapiro on 11.10.10 0907)
I see Hardy, Abyss, Jarrett, Hogan and Bischoff feuding with The old M.E.M guys. Angle, Nash, Sting, Joe and you toss in The Pope and Anderson. Rvd too, obviously.
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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.10
I think, I still prefer watching guys like The Miz, The Nexus, CM Punk, Daniel Bryan and Kaval over this crap. And I really hope that Matt Hardy is finally gone and I never have to watch him in WWE again.
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.26
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro

    It is amazing, preposterous that Bryan didn't do a single promo or even sentence addressing Nexus after he came back.


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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.66
    Originally posted by Rudoublesedoublel
      Originally posted by JustinShapiro

      It is amazing, preposterous that Bryan didn't do a single promo or even sentence addressing Nexus after he came back.


    Elephant in the room? What elephant?



This actually makes sense when you consider they had a ready made feud with the Miz, complete with the Miz interfering in the match. Bringing in Nexus wold have detracted from the angle.

And they could, conceivably, still have Bryan address nexus. Lets say the Miz leads Team Raw against Team Smackdown. And lets say Nexus is involved somehow. All of a sudden, the Miz might go to the one man he hates the most and ask for his help because he DID eliminate two of them at Summerslam.



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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.81
    Originally posted by El Nastio
      Originally posted by Rudoublesedoublel
        Originally posted by JustinShapiro

        It is amazing, preposterous that Bryan didn't do a single promo or even sentence addressing Nexus after he came back.


      Elephant in the room? What elephant?



    This actually makes sense when you consider they had a ready made feud with the Miz, complete with the Miz interfering in the match. Bringing in Nexus wold have detracted from the angle.


I don't think they needed to program him with Nexus after the match since Miz was definitely the direction to take him but it made him seem like just a piece on a chess board and not a real human being to never actually talk out loud about why he mysteriously disappeared for "showing remorse" and then mysteriously came back.
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#27 Posted on
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    If I'm going to build a stable of power with three in-ring performers, Abyss and the Jeffs are ... interesting.


Actually, the idea of Jeff Hardy and Abyss as heels together has potential. It's interesting, both from a visual perspective of their looks and because their wrestling styles would mesh well together: the powerful hardcore monster and the extreme aerialist daredevil ripping people apart as heels.

I don't know how or why Jarrett, Hogan and Bischoff necessarily fits in with that, but the Abyss and Hardy combination intrigues me, at least on paper.



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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.98
    Originally posted by lotjx
    I think the idea of doing it now is to show up Dixie at the biggest PPV of the year for them. Why not do it in front of the biggest audience they will have all year? If Eric helped Abyss then they would be showing their cards.


I'm sorry, but this reminds me of the moment in Airplane! when someone says it's time to turn on the runway lights, and Robert Stack says "No! That's just what they'd be expecting us to do!" If it accomplishes their goals, why should they care about showing their cards? In storyline they had more than enough power to pull it off anyway.


    Originally posted by lotjx
    Most angles like these need a long winded convoluted explanation. Hogan's Bash at the Beach promo is about 15 minutes long as were most of HHH's speeches on forming DX without Shawn as was the creation of Evolution. Of course, HHH's promos average about 20 minutes anyway, but still it took time. Nexus had a long promo to explain their reasoning on why they destroyed the Raw set and Cena, I think everyone of them took the mic even Bryan, but I could be wrong about Bryan. You need to explain this stuff or everyone is going to be lost or think you have no idea what you are doing.


A long promo is not the same as a convoluted explanation. The explanation of Hogan's turn was that he wasn't loyal to WCW, he wanted to join with his friends from WWE, he wanted more power, and he was sick of being abused by the heels. Nexus' explanation was that they felt demeaned by the way they were treated on NXT and wanted revenge. Those premises are logical and their actions make sense when viewed through those. (I'm not saying there aren't plot holes somewhere, but the main thrust of the angles worked.)

I don't want to turn this into WWE vs. TNA; goodness knows WWE has had their share of incoherent storylines as well. I'm just saying that THIS storyline is hard to swallow.

BTW, did you have the problems with hearing foreign-language commentary that Meltzer (or whoever recapped for that site) reported? Just curious about whether it was a national or local problem.
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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
The commentary language thing only turned up on DirecTV. Or at least Dave was the only who seemed to notice it and he was on DirecTV.

(edited by thecubsfan on 11.10.10 1203)


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#30 Posted on
I'll just be happy if they can explain why Bischoff called the semifinal match at No Surrender a draw rather than just awarding it to Hardy.
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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.91
If you want to simplify the explanation:
Bischoff is a weasel and will do whatever it takes to get full control.
Abyss is a dupe/hired muscle.
Hogan is jealous that everything doesn't revolve around him anymore and wants 1 more day in the sun as he becomes a bitter old man.
Jarrett's issue with Angle is already known. The whole plot could be something he hatched while he was told not to show up because he was banging Angle's ex.
Hardy is jealous that Van Dam came in and won the belt, and he can't get past Anderson or Angle at this point in his career on his own. Since the belt equals money and he has significant legal bills to pay so he won't be Bubba's bitch for 20 years (insert joke here), he made a deal with Bischoff et al and became the last piece of the puzzle.

(edited by redsoxnation on 11.10.10 1350)
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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.78
When you consider that Hogan, Bischoff, and Hardy were Abyss's primary targets from the start of his heel turn, the alliance doesn't make any sense. When you consider that Hogan and Bischoff were already backing Abyss just a few months ago, this turn is nonsense, because we pretty much just went in a giant circle. When you consider that we wasted a whole bunch of time setting up Sting as the top face AGAIN, then this turn is nonsense.

I've had a lot of issues with the E over logic, but TNA just made my head explode with some of the most nonsensical junk I've seen all year. It's like they've taken the first nine months of the year and just scrapped it in order to make another half-assed nWo angle.

And if the plan is to wait for Matt Hardy to get released and then have him come in as the company's savior...uh...there's actually no sugarcoating it, that's just terrible.

(edited by It's False on 11.10.10 1126)



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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.54
    Originally posted by Tyler Durden
      Originally posted by Amos Cochran
        Originally posted by JustinShapiro
        But TNA has never shown a reluctance to have multiple heel stables going at once, it's their favorite thing this side of tournaments.

        (edited by JustinShapiro on 11.10.10 0907)


      I dunno, I'd rank it third behind people stealing title belts.


    Don't forget about the tag team partners who hate each other!


and misogyny.



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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.66
    Originally posted by It's False
    When you consider that Hogan, Bischoff, and Hardy were Abyss's primary targets from the start of his heel turn, the alliance doesn't make any sense. When you consider that Hogan and Bischoff were already backing Abyss just a few months ago, this turn is nonsense, because we pretty much just went in a giant circle. When you consider that we wasted a whole bunch of time setting up Sting as the top face AGAIN, then this turn is nonsense.


    I've had a lot of issues with the E over logic, but TNA just made my head explode with some of the most nonsensical junk I've seen all year. It's like they've taken the first nine months of the year and just scrapped it in order to make another half-assed nWo angle.

    And if the plan is to wait for Matt Hardy to get released and then have him come in as the company's savior...uh...there's actually no sugarcoating it, that's just terrible.

    (edited by It's False on 11.10.10 1126)



If Matt comes in he will align himself with Jeff, if they try to make him a savior then it will bomb or WWE keeps them knowing a Hardy Boyz reunion in any form would help TNA even if it is a short term solution. I am not even going to touch if Matt is coming or not, because it shouldn't and I shouldn't have any bearing on doing the turn. Abyss may have targeted them as part of the plan all along. The only person he really hurt was Jeff who can take it, but the real target seemed to be RVD. It all depends on when they are going to say this alliance formed. If it was during the summer when Abyss went nuts and Bischoff/Hogan/Hardy took some of the beatings then convinced him to join them to go after RVD then it makes some sense. If its day one, then that is harder to explain. And that is if they decided to give us a step by step series of events which knowing Russo maybe not.

Sting being heel has really never worked out, too many fans love the guy and minus attacking Dixie and Jarrett, he really hasn't done too many heel things. Its the same trap they may fall into with Jeff where he is so over, fans will cheer for him no matter what he does. We also don't know if Sting won't joint them anyway.

The real problem is who won't they feud with and how can they realistically keep their power. At this point, its just five guys against an entire company. Fortune was set-up to stop them, EV2.0 will side with Rob, Sting/Nash/Pope seem to against them, Joe should be looking for blood as well Anderson. Kurt is now retired, but Dixie could bring him back. Of course, the NWO was 4 guys and almost killed WCW. DX was 5 people and they attacked WCW while causing problem for Vince. Austin went after the company and he was by himself most of the time. It could work, but in those instances either people were busy with their own things, so they didn't care or it was such a surprise, no one was organized. You would think Flair of all people as well Sting will lead the resistance considering what they went through with the NWO. Of course, this is taking into account the writers remember all of these things as well.

I am not finding the logic that hard to swallow considering I am used to Crash TV as well as WCW booking. Even Nexus is a bit hard to swallow. Barrett gets these guys together even though he already has a contract just to make an impact? Also, if they all get contracts isn't the point of NXT season one a waste of time as well? I am not saying its as bad as the logic that "They" is going to be, but its not without its flaws.


(edited by lotjx on 11.10.10 1417)
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Whelp, I watched Bound for Glory. Well, most of it. I skipped over stuff that doesn't interest me like the Orlando Jordan match, the Joe match since I knew Jarrett left him out to dry, and the Lethal match (that says something about the X Division Title), but I did watch The Shore attack Lethal.

Tag team opener was really good, fun to watch. There's nothing like MCMG vs. GenMe in WWE unless John Morrison, Evan Bourne, Kaval and Daniel Bryan were given 15 minutes to wrestle a tag match for some reason. That reason will never materialize. I'd make some crack about all four of those guys deserving to be in TNA to "revitalize the X Division" or some shit like that, but that means they'd be midcard in TNA instead of midcard in WWE and the latter pays better and has more prestige.

Mickie James' facials, by that I mean her facial expressions, are in a class by themselves. She could teach half the roster (the half that didn't come from WWE) how to tell a story just by furrowing her brow or wincing her eyes. She also had a funny "huh" look on her face as Angelina and Velvet did their entrance. It's been a while since Mickie wasn't PG: she made her bones feeling up Trish and kissing chicks. She should fit in just fine indeed in TNA.

Now that the Madison and Tara biker gang is split, I dread the inevitable return of Tara's horrible music. "Broken! Broken!"

Monster's Ball was fun. I get the criticism RVD receives for basically wrestling the same style and match for the past 15 years and adding absolutely nothing new to his arsenal, but I still like what he does. I just plain like the guy. Especially how he sabotages himself in his matches by taking too long to thumb himself "R-V-D" and paying for it. If I were Dixie Carter at that point, I might have been a little disappointed that RVD only beat Abyss but didn't "take him out", or seemingly get a sufficient measure of vengeance for the brutal beating he suffered at Abyss' hands a few months back. But this is RVD we're talking about. "Whatever."

After that incredible bloody brawl with Mick Foley on Thursday, I'd like to retroactively take back every negative thing about Ric Flair un-retiring I've said since January because he's consistently been the most entertaining thing on TNA for me. Can't get enough of Flair's crazy, dirty old man promos. Foley was right a while back on ReAction when he said Flair in WWE was a neutered dog. Flair taunting Christy about all the "hot male flesh" surrounding her and then saying he was coming back to kiss her ass makes me happier than it has any right to.

By the way, the only two matches I've seen this year that I LOVED, that I consider Match of the Year quality, are HBK vs. Michaels II and Flair vs. Foley. Loved them both; both were the most fun I've had watching wrestling in 2010. So clearly, I have a vested interest in the youth movement of professional wrestling. Clearly, I'm not the audience WWE PG is catering to. All I seem to love and care about are guys over 40 still tearing it up.

Having said that, EV2.0 vs. Fortune was hard to watch. For everyone who types in all caps that it's FOURTUNE! - no, it isn't, according to TNA's own chyron. It said "Fortune" plain as day. Incidentally, no chyron was provided for Mickie James so we got no clarification on whether TNA is spelling it "Mickie", as they did on iMPACT! or "Mickey" as they did on ReAction.

Again, Flair at ringside was the most entertaining thing to me about Lethal Lockdown. Brian Kendrick's reveal was a bust. Typical Russo have a cage match with the door wide open for five minutes so everyone can walk out at their will and leisure, rendering the idea of a cage pointless.

But I will praise Russo about The Shore, just because Russo has always been hip to pop culture and integrating it into his product. (Russo had Road Dogg and Billy Gunn wearing South Park shirts in 1997 right when South Park was getting big.) I don't watch nor care about Jersey Shore, and I don't know what a J-WOW is, but Jersey Shore is what the kids are talking about and teenage eyeballs on their product is something they need desperately, however they can accomplish it.

Main event was really good. Personally, I hate three ways (I mean matches), and I never think a three way match is a great idea for a main event, especially not for the biggest show of the year. But the more I thought about it, there are storylines in place for all three of those guys to be there and recent history between all three men was solid enough to justify their involvement in the main event. Angle was the stud, as he had to be. Hardy was everywhere he needed to be and Anderson held up his end as well, but Angle was the engine that made that match go. I marked out hard for the double ankle lock - I wish he tried a double leg grapevine. I hate rolling Germans though; even when Benoit was alive I hated seeing ten Germans in a row. I just think it's stupid. The match was very good, but still didn't feel like The Biggest Main Event for the Biggest Show of the Year.

And then They happened. If they'd (meaning TNA, not They) held the TV feed for a couple of extra minutes, we would have at least seen the payoff of all the trash flying into the ring. It seemed like they shot themselves in the foot there, denying the (tiny) paying audience watching at home the very spectacle they booked that swerve hoping to generate.

This. Is. TNA!

But congratulations to Jeff Hardy for becoming the second man in history to have held the WWE World Heavyweight Championship (big gold belt) and the TNA World Championship.

(edited by John Orquiola on 11.10.10 1347)

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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.81
    Originally posted by John
    Foley was right a while back on ReAction when he said Flair in WWE was a neutered dog.


Even as a heel when he'd be even more effective as a face, seeing Flair with the shackles off in TNA has been a treat after seven years of "GOOD. EVENING. I am so honored to be back here in Charleston, South Carolina, I had some wild nights, hehe--" [gets cut off by Carlito's music and beaten up]

Silencing Ric Flair and waiting until the last month of his career to push him hard might be WWE's biggest wastes of the last decade, ahead of even never letting Sean O'Haire be Sean O'Haire and achieve greatness breaking up Kenzo Suzuki and Rene Dupree missing the boat on Ricky Ortiz.
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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.77
Finally got around to watching the show and it just depresses me. I want TNA to succeed badly because WWE has become unbearable. But I can't just excuse their constant stupidity because I want WWE to have competition.

It is also sad, because the talent is there. TNA could be having the best PPV's around right now with the guys they have.

The Tag Match was my favorite on the card. The Gunns are awesome and deserve everything they are getting. Just wish it wasn't in such a mess of a company.

Nothing on the card was horrible except for maybe OJ/Eric. But that wasn't the worst thing in the world. Lethal Lockdown was great, but I can't for the life of me understand EV2.0 going over. Fortune looked dominant the whole match, with EV2 only staying alive when each new member entered. I guess the story was supposed to be that EV2 was able to win once the weapons came into play.

And then the big angle. The main event was great until the ref went down and then my stomach dropped. Hogan and Bischoff were the most obvious and least logical choice for "They". If Hogan is part of they and going back to his Hollywood days, then why would Nash have a problem with that? That was his whole issue with Hogan, that he wouldn't sign Hall and Pac and just let them run things again.

Jarrett doesn't make any sense either. Hogan and Bischoff basically took over his company. Why would he side with them?

So now you are going to have the same problem that TNA has had since Sting came in, old guys hogging all the angles. It will be Hogan/Bishoff/Jarret Vs. Sting/Nash/Dixie. Oh sure, you'll have Joe and Styles and the rest of the actual workers involved, but they'll all just be chess pieces for the over 40 crowd.
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That is a great lineup. Though somewhat disappointed that there are no Lynn/RVD matches on it. Also no Benoit matches either. What I'm really hoping for is that after this WWE starts releasing select ECW events or PPV's in their entirety.
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