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Since: 16.1.02
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Yeah, I had one of my usually unjustified fits of optimism and decided to order this. Besides, I was curious to see how the "Ultimate X" match worked out. As it happens, the answer to that is: badly. (For those who didn't watch: They seem to not have accounted for the fact that the cables would be bouncing around as wrestlers climbed on them and dropped off. Hence, the belt popped off the cable and fell down. Twice.) And because the falls off the cables were relatively short, the whole thing felt less "extreme" than your common or garden ladder match, not more. The actual wrestling was okay except for the usual scatter of blown spots, and Michael Shane deserves respect for a Foley-worthy blade job. But I can't see anyone being in much of a hurry to imitate the gimmick.

The rest of the show didn't leave much of an impression on me, unfortunately. I guess I can call it an improvement over Raw, since there were two matches I enjoyed rather than just one (the Simon/Swinger vs. AMW double-rope match and Watts/Jarrett vs. Legend/Daniels). And I'm probably going to Wrestling Fan Hell for this, but I actually laughed at Freddy and Jason unmasking themselves to reveal Russo and Styles. The gauntlet match dragged badly at first, with everyone in the ring obviously marking time, but got a bit more interesting in the latter half. Still, improved as Raven may be, a Raven/Shane Douglas final is not the sort of thing that sets my, or anyone else's, world on fire. Next week, I suspect, my tenner is going to remain in my pocket.

Incidentally, does anyone know what the heck Mad Mikey's T-shirt meant? I read it as a joke at Steve Austin's expense, but that's just a guess

(edited by Shem the Penman on 20.8.03 2308)


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#2 Posted on

    Originally posted by Shem the Penman

    Incidentally, does anyone know what the heck Mad Mikey's T-shirt meant? I read it as a joke at Steve Austin's expense, but that's just a guess

    (edited by Shem the Penman on 20.8.03 2308)



I don't know what the shirt said on it, but according to 1Wrestling's report, it was an old Stevie Richards shirt.





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Since: 2.1.02
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#3 Posted on

    Originally posted by Shem the Penman
    (For those who didn't watch: They seem to not have accounted for the fact that the cables would be bouncing around as wrestlers climbed on them and dropped off. Hence, the belt popped off the cable and fell down. Twice.)


Yeah, that was a problem. I think the deal was, if a wrestler went out on the lower of the two cables, it was weighed down and increased the distance between the two cables, stretching the belt between them. The second time it came off, they hooked it back to just one of the cables. I actually wondered early on if that was going to be a problem, but I figured, "well, I'm sure they tested it." They could solve this by hanging the belt above the ring -- like for a ladder match -- just above where the cables cross -- the winner would have to kind of hoist himself up a bit, though.


    Originally posted by Shem the Penman
    And because the falls off the cables were relatively short, the whole thing felt less "extreme" than your common or garden ladder match, not more. The actual wrestling was okay except for the usual scatter of blown spots, and Michael Shane deserves respect for a Foley-worthy blade job. But I can't see anyone being in much of a hurry to imitate the gimmick.


It did feel real laboriously "set-up-the-spot"-y to me. I enjoyed it alright. One thing I do like about it is that it seems more believable for them to take a long time to make their way to the belt via the cable, as opposed to a ladder match where they inch their way up and feebly bat at the belt. I'd like to see one of these with Skipper, so that he can rope-walk one of those cables. I think there's definitely things they could do with this.


    Originally posted by Shem the Penman
    And I'm probably going to Wrestling Fan Hell for this, but I actually laughed at Freddy and Jason unmasking themselves to reveal Russo and Styles.


You know what was cool about that? That they showed those two, in costume, hanging out behind West and Tenay early in the show -- I saw them and thought, "Eh, dorky fans," and when they turned up again, attacking Watts, I was confused -- having previously identified them as fans, I thought for a moment that they'd actually just jumped the barricade.


    Originally posted by GrubbyLongJohns
    I don't know what the shirt said on it, but according to 1Wrestling's report, it was an old Stevie Richards shirt.


It said "STEVIE C-5 C-6 C-7" (or something close to that -- referring, I assume, to vertebrae) and "I JUST BROKE MY NECK" on the back.

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    Originally posted by Karlos the Jackal
    You know what was cool about that? That they showed those two, in costume, hanging out behind West and Tenay early in the show -- I saw them and thought, "Eh, dorky fans," and when they turned up again, attacking Watts, I was confused -- having previously identified them as fans, I thought for a moment that they'd actually just jumped the barricade.
Sorta reminds me of the time Russo did this before... with the Mean Street Posse (slashwrestling.com).



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.44
I'm amazed that this show isn't being hailed more. I loved it almost from start to finish. I can forgive the belt dropping in the Ultimate X match when we get that great powerbomb off the cables by Sabin (Hail Sabin).

The bullrope match was one of the better AMW v. Diamond/Swinger contests and the right team went over. The Legend/Daniels tag match was better than I thought it would be, and Mr. Erik Watts has, dare I say, improved his wrestling skills dramatically from 1992.

I may be a sucker for Royal Rumble-type matches, but I enjoyed the Gauntlet match well enough. Even though you could tell Raven would make it back, the angle was still done well. And I don't agree that Raven/Douglas is not a good feud. They have done great against each other, and the somewhat dead crowd certainly popped for that matchup and the Raven (upset?) win. Plus, Abyss looked good in his role.

All in all, this was the best NWA-TNA show I've seen in a good long while. Not too many skits, no TNA dancer confrontations, and a cool D-Lo/Siaki angle. Works for me.



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I agree with Torchslasher that last night's TNA was fun stuff. I can't remember the last time a WWE show cuts from their preview right into a fight at the beginning. Untimate X was a work in progress, but entertaining, so I didn't mind the many times the title fell off. It was funny, actually, but it also illustrated that despite what happens, there will be a winner, and I DIG that philosophy. In future, a metal X would be better. Like I said, works in progress can be fun, and I was shocked at Michael Shane in a good way. I still hail Sabin, though...

Everything else on the show was good, and I have to admit, I'm really enjoying Cowboy Glenn Gilberti and his posse. I got no qualms with Siaki and D-Lo's feud because I like them both. Siaki's funny, admit it!! I really hope Christopher Daniels kicks Double J's ass! Finally, Raven and Douglas. I dug this feud for the old school stylings, and it continues to entertain. By the end of the gauntlet, when it was down to those two, I was glued to my chair. The pop for Raven's win was insane! Best of all, that means...

Raven vs. AJ Styles next week for the title! The summer of TNA continues. By the way, I already have put away some money for the special PPV on my birthday, September 10. ;-)






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#7 Posted on
I was watching the show with my local indy promoter and a bunch of the workers (including an 11-year vet and a guy who's worked both Owen and HBK)...and we couldn't stop laughing, that show was so bad.

Not just the ever-falling belt, but the blown-spot fest. Yeesh. When a funeral angle and surprise revenge for the babyface (which I liked) is your best bit on the show, you're in trouble.

And would it have killed them to have a singles match sometime in the second half of the show? It felt like we had 7 tag matches in a row. Bleah.



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#8 Posted on

    Originally posted by The Thrill
    I was watching the show with my local indy promoter and a bunch of the workers (including an 11-year vet and a guy who's worked both Owen and HBK)...and we couldn't stop laughing, that show was so bad.


Cool! What channel is their show on? I'd like to catch it!

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Since: 2.1.02
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.87
The belt falling down was not as horrible as everyone seems to have made it out to be.

Has anyone actually SEEN embarrassment went it comes to props falling down? TNA helped establish the match as important immediately when they recovered fast enough to have a crew quickly run out and hang it back up because they refused to let it end that way... Watch WCW circa November 1999 (and if memory serves, the November 15 show - the week before Mayhem) and the Pinata On A Pole, and then turn around and watch Ultimate X. TNA handled it as best they could and the match STILL blew anything else out of the water that's been done in about 10 weeks in the fed.

I was watching the show with my local indy promoter and a bunch of the workers (including an 11-year vet and a guy who's worked both Owen and HBK)...and we couldn't stop laughing, that show was so bad.

I urge your worker friends to top that match without a falling belt.

The whole show was solid - and if you REALLY need something to laugh at TNA about, there's plenty of other weeks to choose from. This was certainly not one of them. This was one of the weeks I felt like I got my money's worth.

Of course, everyone IS entitled to their own opinion, but I hardly feel like I'm in the minority here. Real Stuff happens sometimes that the workers cannot control. TNA learned.

If the belt starts falling during the next Ultimate X, you may have a legit complaint. It's not like one of the first Hell In A Cell matches went completely smoothly. :-)



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#10 Posted on
Despite the falling belt (which I concur, it wasn't as bad as it sounded), I consider the Ultimate X match to be a huge success. All three men busted their asses big time and they deserve a standing ovation for their work. Awesome, AWESOME work!

The rest of the show was also gold. Simon & Swinger FINALLY got the best of AMW...for a week, anyway. At first, I questioned the wisdom of putting the babyface over the heel time and time again, but this is actually very well-thought out. Simon & Swinger come into this Wednesday with confidence and momentum and AMW try to bounce back from a huge loss. It's really good, really simple, and it sets up a blowoff match that should blow the roof off the place.

Only one part of the show really bothered me.

"He's coming"

I seriously hope this is a Russo rib...




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#11 Posted on
    Originally posted by It's False
    "He's coming"


Yeah -- BOOOOOO. I can't stand Piper. (Never could, either -- I always hated his voice.) Maybe Raven will squash him and send him out on his back.

Speaking of Raven, I'll use this thread rather than the other one to express my regret that Alexis Laree is leaving. I think the Gathering has been gelling really well, and the angle -- that Raven has, for once, become attatched to his followers -- is going to be hurt a little bit from the loss of Alexis. Well, soon she'll be making out with Vince, so woo hoo.

--K

P.S. Say, anyone else missing XXX as much as I am? As well as their theme song? Maybe they can have a surprise reunion down the road. OH NO FANTASY BOOKING



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Since: 16.4.02
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#12 Posted on

    Originally posted by Karlos the Jackal

      Originally posted by The Thrill
      I was watching the show with my local indy promoter and a bunch of the workers (including an 11-year vet and a guy who's worked both Owen and HBK)...and we couldn't stop laughing, that show was so bad.


    Cool! What channel is their show on? I'd like to catch it!

    --K



We have had TV before, thank you. And frankly, our product at the time was better than ECW's. But circumstances intervened themselves, as they often do in this business.

Those guys are more than qualified to call crap crap, NWA affiliation or no.



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