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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.63
I will say that as happy as I am that Bryan actually has a World Title, I almost would've rather had WWE forced Henry to forfeit the title while he healed up rather than losing it to Show. Henry could destroy some people/inatimate objects on his way out to keep his mystique.

It seemed as if WWE wanted Bryan to cash in on Big Show so perhaps they could still do Henry vs. Bryan down the line (depending on how long Henry is out) with Henry claiming Bryan has still never beaten him. If they did it at 'Mania, it wouldn't have the same effect as if Bryan was challenging for his first World Title. I will say that Bryan cashing in on Show, the man who was protecting him from Henry and was by his side through that whole fight, does have an interesting dynamic going forward.



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.26
Wait a second.

Henry dropped Show with a DDT on chairs. Show is apparently out cold. Bryan runs in to cash in the contract and pins Show.

Was Show able to compete? Will the decision stand? Would they take away Bryan's title win twice?



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.83
    Originally posted by geemoney
    I will say that Bryan cashing in on Show, the man who was protecting him from Henry and was by his side through that whole fight, does have an interesting dynamic going forward.


There was a brief moment where they showed Show with what a small smile when Bryan was celebrating. Could mean either:

1) Minor break in kayfabe, Show is genuinely happy.

2) An in character moment where Show acknowledges that he was actively trying to get Bryan to cash in a couple of times already.

Lots of directions they could go with, but the most obviously one is Bryan vs the Big Show.

    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    Wait a second.

    Henry dropped Show with a DDT on chairs. Show is apparently out cold. Bryan runs in to cash in the contract and pins Show.

    Was Show able to compete? Will the decision stand? Would they take away Bryan's title win twice?


The thought did cross my mind that they might strip him of the title. But with Teddy Long in the building, wouldn't they just do the Dusty Finish then?

Although plus side; if they do this Bryan gets the brief case back again.

Minus side; we have to hear Cole. Again.

Most likely side; Big Show heel turn and Bryan gets DESTROYED on Thursday.

Side I would like to see; Big Show TRIES to destroy Bryan and instead Bryan outsmarts him.

(edited by El Nastio on 19.12.11 0921)
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.49
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    Wait a second.

    Henry dropped Show with a DDT on chairs. Show is apparently out cold. Bryan runs in to cash in the contract and pins Show.

    Was Show able to compete? Will the decision stand? Would they take away Bryan's title win twice?


I believe the distinction is that Henry at the time was not medically cleared to compete.
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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.26
    Originally posted by Hokienautic
    I believe the distinction is that Henry at the time was not medically cleared to compete.


Didn't Sheamus retain his belt because he was unconscious when a MITB was cashed?

I don't want Bryan to lose the belt again. If nothing else, Cole would become absolutely insufferable.





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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.63
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      Originally posted by Hokienautic
      I believe the distinction is that Henry at the time was not medically cleared to compete.


    Didn't Sheamus retain his belt because he was unconscious when a MITB was cashed?

    I don't want Bryan to lose the belt again. If nothing else, Cole would become absolutely insufferable.



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.83
This'll get brought up, and Show will say "naw, let it stand, I'm gonna get that belt back proper" or some such guff.
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.93
Read it and weep, fella


    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    This'll get brought up, and Show will say "naw, let it stand, I'm gonna get that belt back proper" or some such guff.
You're probably right. Almost sounds exactly like what Cena did a couple weeks ago on Raw when he had to give up his WWE title shot so Zack Ryder could get his U.S. title shot. Weird that they would do that gimmick twice in a row like that though.



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#29 Posted on

I'm really surprised that the internet didn't explode last night.
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#30 Posted on
The Tag Title match and the US title match should have switched order, considering that the first match is less important than the other. I was actually rooting for Ziggler to win the match but oh well; the tag match looked very cool, I'm liking the trio of Primo, Hunico and Rosa, the two guys are very good wrestlers and Rosa is much better as a valet then as a "wrestler".. But it would have better if she interacted with the crowd rather than talking to herself, you know, to get some heat for her team..
I didn't watch HHH vs Nash, I was so over this thing, Nash's existence is irrelevant and HHH would have obviously won.
I missed Kelly vs Beth but I'm sure it was good, they work very well toghether. Altough I read somewhere Beth loudly told Kelly what to do during the match.
Happy that Daniel won, Henry's crebility was going out of the window day by day; let's just hope his reign won't be as bad as his US title reign.



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#31 Posted on
Went back and watched the Beth/Kelly match. My God,it's like those two never wrestled a match ever until last night.

I guess Ryder travels with his dad seeing as how Papa Ryder was at the PPV and is in most of the Long Island Iced Z Stories. If so that is probably the greatest thing I've ever heard a wrestler do. His dad and friend marking out after he won an fantastic match with Ziggler, finally made me a Ryder fan. I'm a friggin Broski now.

It's best that their match wasn't a gimmick match at TLC. Considering HHH/Nash and Show/Henry were letdowns, and Orton/Barret was average. I think Ziggles and Ryder having the non-gimmick opener and such strong reaction made them look even better.

I got nothing to say about the TLC main event, except it was probably the best one I've seen since the first Hardy/Dudleys/E & C match from back in the day. Too much awesome from Punk, ADR, Miz, and even Ricardo.

Daniel Bryan even won the World title (though I wish he would of cashed it in at Wrestlemania), and no Cena. This PPV couldn't pander to the Interwebz any harder. Good PPV to end the year.

(edited by CruelAngel777 on 19.12.11 1348)
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#32 Posted on
    Originally posted by CruelAngel777
    Went back and watched the Beth/Kelly match. My God,it's like those two never wrestled a match ever until last night.

It was probably because it was booked at the last minute, that would justify why the match wasn't even added to the official card earlier this time and Beth "telling" what to do to Kelly :P



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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.99
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    Cole would become absolutely insufferable.




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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
I don't see anything wrong with Ryder/Ziggler being the opening match. If I wasn't able to be in the main event my second choice would be the opening match. I guess people see it as "curtain jerking" but I see it more as being the leadoff hitter of a baseball team. It sets the table for everything else. If the US title was in the middle somewhere then it might just be lost in the shuffle, which is what happened to most of the matches between the opener and the main event in my opinion.




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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.44
    Originally posted by Quezzy
    I don't see anything wrong with Ryder/Ziggler being the opening match. If I wasn't able to be in the main event my second choice would be the opening match. I guess people see it as "curtain jerking" but I see it more as being the leadoff hitter of a baseball team. It sets the table for everything else. If the US title was in the middle somewhere then it might just be lost in the shuffle, which is what happened to most of the matches between the opener and the main event in my opinion.

Agreed. I believe Lance Storm in the past said many people feel that the opening match is one of the most important matches of the PPV because it sets the tone of the PPV. There are plenty of classic matches that opened PPV's like Pillman-Liger, Bret-Owen and Mysterio-Malenko not that Ziggler-Ryder is on the level of those matches but I don't get the complaining over that match opening the show.

(edited by graves9 on 19.12.11 1836)
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#36 Posted on
    Originally posted by El Nastio
      Originally posted by geemoney
      I will say that Bryan cashing in on Show, the man who was protecting him from Henry and was by his side through that whole fight, does have an interesting dynamic going forward.


    There was a brief moment where they showed Show with what a small smile when Bryan was celebrating. Could mean either:

    1) Minor break in kayfabe, Show is genuinely happy.

    2) An in character moment where Show acknowledges that he was actively trying to get Bryan to cash in a couple of times already.

    Lots of directions they could go with, but the most obviously one is Bryan vs the Big Show.
    (edited by El Nastio on 19.12.11 0921)


Show was in the ring for a long time after he got pinned so I was waiting for something to happen. I'm hoping that the subtle smile and the ever so slightly late kick-out by Show means number 2 because I think it would be an interesting match-up if they go in that direction.

Man, Cole had a bad night.



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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.73
    Originally posted by Parts Unknown
    Wow, yet another time I loved a PPV, only to log onto The W and find people tearing it apart. Did we watch the same show? I thought TLC was wall-to-wall awesome - just about the best show in ages. I even enjoyed HHH/Nash.


I thought it was a decent show, but you really loved it? You had a non-match (Henry/Show), a plodding immobile bore (Trips/Nash), something like the fiftieth rematch of Beth/K2, a throwaway match with Seamus and Swagger which had zero suspense because Swagger hasn't won a match all year...Absurd unnecessary race jokes. I mean, seriously. There was plenty not to like here. You don't have to be a petty, captious dick to notice that.

That said, I liked Ryder's win, but I don't think it will be remembered because the main event blew everything else out of the water. The crowd, which had been up and down all night, gave Punk a superstar reaction. I have to hand it to WWE, they've truly minted Punk as a legit top guy in the tier of Orton and Cena after several months of wonky, goofy booking that I feared would ruin what Punk had achieved. Really good main event that kind of saved the show for me. Also liked the tag title bout, but could have done without Lawler's ogling of Rosa. Isn't he 70? It's just fucking gross now. But huge thumbs up for the ME. Loved loved loved that match.





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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.77
Late to the thread party but put me down for "very good show" and "awesome main event." It was a black hole from the table RKO through "Ride of the Valkyries," but the first three matches were quality, and after Big Show tossed two dozens chairs into the ring, Mark Henry said "you outcho mind, this ain't happening" and left -- the final great aphorism of his run.

I hated the layout of Daniel Bryan winning the title, but I'm not going to make him give it back or anything. It's pretty farcical that the world title can change hands by running into the ring and lying on top of a beached whale for three seconds. Him celebrating this huge win, as a babyface, after stealing the title, from a babyface, was pretty ludicrous.

There had to be more useful ways of doing this and still ending up in the new direction they want to go in. I think Bryan could've beaten Henry as a payoff to their deal and there's still a way to get to what they want to do with Bryan vs. Show. Giving Big Show the win over Henry as a payoff to their long feud might've been a factor. Bryan putting Show in some kind of hand submission would've been good but might've been more heelish for someone they're evidently going with as a face. Henry's injury throws out whatever the original idea was with how Bryan was being booked, so I guess all that matters is how he's depicted starting now. Regardless, it was all worth it just for him to have not blown the briefcase and the follow-up on Monday.

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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.11
TITLE CHANGES

World Heavyweight Championship
New Champion: Big Show
2011 Title Changes: 8


This was Big Show's first reign as (WWE) World Heavyweight Champion. Big Show is now a six-time world heavyweight champion; he's also held the WCW World Heavyweight Title twice, the WWF/E Championship twice, and the WWE version of the ECW World Championship once.

Big Show became one of only three wrestlers to win the Big Gold Belt in both WCW and WWE; Chris Benoit and Booker T are the others.

All three of them are special cases, however:

Benoit won the WCW World Title in his last day with the company, and we never got to see him walk out to the ring as the WCW World Heavyweight Champion.

Booker T won the WCW World Title four times when WCW was an independent company, and once during the inVasion. When he won the World Heavyweight Title some years later, he was King Booker throughout his reign.

And Big Show's reign, since it was so brief, meant that we didn't see the World Heavyweight Title belt strapped around his waist (or, as would be more likely in his case, hauled over his shoulder) the following night.

Big Show's win marked the end of the 91-day reign of Mark Henry, the longest reign of that title in 2011. Henry's reign started when he defeated Randy Orton at Night of Champions on August 14.

World Heavyweight Championship
New Champion: Daniel Bryan
2011 Title Changes: 9


This is Daniel Bryan's first reign as (WWE) World Heavyweight Champion. He is a two-time world heavyweight champion, having also won the ROH World Championship. Bryan and CM Punk are the only two former ROH World Champions to have won a world heavyweight title in WWE.

It marked the end of Big Show's reign as champion, which lasted one minute and 53 seconds, making it the shortest reign with this belt in history.

Money in the Bank briefcase holders are now 10-for-10 on cash-ins, though with Bryan reneging on his promise to hold onto the briefcase until WrestleMania, Rob Van Dam remains the only Mr. Money in the Bank to cash it in for a real match scheduled ahead of time.

United States Championship
New Champion: Zack Ryder
2011 Title Changes: 4


This is Zack Ryder's first reign with the United States Championship or any singles championship; he also held the WWE Tag Team Championship with Curt Hawkins for 63 days in 2008.

He ended Dolph Ziggler's 182-day reign as United States Champion that started when Ziggler defeated Kofi Kingston at Capitol Punishment on June 19. Ziggler's reign was the longest current reign in WWE; that honor now belongs to Intercontinental Champion Cody Rhodes, at 134 days and counting.

(edited by ekedolphin on 24.12.11 1909)

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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.01
    Originally posted by ekedolphin

    It marked the end of Big Show's reign as champion, which lasted one minute and 53 seconds, making it the shortest reign with this belt in history.


What's the official time on Andre the Giant at second-shortest? And how odd is it that the two shortest reigns are by the two largest men??
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