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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.09
From Wikipedia:

Daniel Bryan d. Ted DiBiase in a dark match
Dolph Ziggler retained I-C Title in a triple-threat ladder match vs. Kofi Kingston and Jack Swagger
Natalya and Beth Phoenix d. Lay-Cool in a tag-team tables match
Santino Marella and Vladimir Koslov d. Heath Slater and Justin Gabriel by disqualification, retaining WWE Tag Team Title
John Morrison d. Sheamus in a ladder match to become #1 contender to the WWE Championship
The Miz d. Randy Orton in a tables match to retain WWE Title
Edge d. Kane (c), Rey Mysterio and Alberto Del Rio in a Fatal Four-Way TLC match to win the World Heavyweight Title
John Cena d. Wade Barrett in a chairs match


So, Miz vs. Morrison for the WWE Title, hmm? That'll be interesting.

Does this mean that ridiculous Kane/Edge feud is over, or do they have to go through the twenty-zillion rematches first? (I'm guessing the latter.)

And what about the Cena/Barrett feud? Is it over with Cena's win, or will it not be over until Nexus is gone?



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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.80
I don't ever want to see Dolph Ziggler and Kofi Kingston in the same match again. Ever. These two are incapable of having a match that doesn't end in a shitty finish and their crappy finishes actually extended to a Ladder Match. Enough! No mas! Someone put out a restraining order keeping these two 50 feet apart at all times.

That should emphatically put an end to LayCool. They can feud with Beth some more while Natalya can finally move on. Natalya and Melina should be much more to my liking.

The tag title match was angle advancement. Nothing more. Though you'd think they wouldn't need to advance the angle when people have already bought the show.

Bravo to Morrison and Sheamus. And I'm happy to see Morrison get his shot. The tag team of the 00's collide again, for much higher stakes! It almost makes up for never getting that Austin/Pillman world title match. (RIP Brian)

Man, people are going to be DYING for someone to knock off Miz. With all the heat he's got and with the heat he gets for the way he retains the title, the E could ride Miz all the way beyond Wrestlemania.

The pre-match antics give the impression the Edge and Del Rio are going next. I assume Kane gets his mandated rematch on SmackDown and Edge/ADR go at the Rumble.

With everyone wiped out, I'm assuming this puts an end to the Nexus, once and for all. I mean, it doesn't get anymore decisive than that and John Cena's completely wiped out the NNNNNN, one N at a time. There's really no point in keeping the group going at this point, is there?




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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.61
Well, Nexus could stay together but just focus on someone other than Cena for the time being. Barrett vs. Undertaker might be a good idea for Mania given that it was Nexus who buried UT alive. This is provided that Taker is healthy enough for Mania, that is.
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.59
I am very disappointed that Cena's involvement with the Nexus is going to end without a heel turn by him. I was very excited about that possibility, more excited than I've been about anything in wrestling in a long time. Even going into this show (which I didn't watch, of course), I was holding out hope that they would go that way somehow, no matter how little sense it would have made at this point.

Oh well.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.54
What do they do with Orton now?? I bet he's getting traded to Smackdown soon........ or taking an injury time out (probably best). They also need to turn Orton back to a heel again, his face run really hasn't worked out.

And while Laycool is annoying, the women's match tonight was a really good one for WWE standards.

And Kane's stock is falling fast. He's had a great career.
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.54

Given all the positive attention in the media by the Miz since he won the belt, he really shouldn't lose it until WM.




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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.81
Morrison/Sheamus and the Smackdown TLC were GREAT. This show was just like Money in the Bank with the multiple long ladder matches making the show. Best show since MITB too.

The Ziggler finish was fucken stupid. Also Vickie should've learned from Maryse via Morrison, "girls can't win" a ladder match.

Cena/Barrett was quite a lot better than Barrett's matches with Orton. YOU MAKE THE CHAIRS FALL

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    What do they do with Orton now??


Royal Rumble then Elimination Chamber mean he doesn't need a new program until Wrestlemania. Which Jericho would be perfect for but who knows.
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.46
Does anyone have a screen cap of Rey's entrance? Piss break prevented me from seeing it and I heard he had quite the Gene Simmons look going.



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I'm going to make one of my unreasonable requests here. Can we have someone who actually saw the show start these threads in the future? If people wanted just cut and pasted results, they could (should) skip us altogether and go straight to Wikipedia, or any of a hundred other places.

(I'm perfectly happy with no thread, by the way, if it turns out nobody saw it. But I also know there's always going to be somebody who did see it - even if it's Just...in, or one of the many folks who saw it on "torrent delay" a few hours later)

EDIT: Here, I'm not all grump:


(edited by CRZ on 20.12.10 0445)


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I didn't see it either, but then again with how bad the economy as well as the holidays, I don't know many people myself include who were going to spend the money on this. I also don't do the illegal download thing. Besides, most of us are going to see the highlights on Raw anyway. So, should we just discuss the PPV in the Raw thread or just no post about the PPVs at all? I am seriously asking this question, because most of the PPV threads really just turn into speculating what is going to happen next rather then the matches themselves due to how lukewarm most of the wrestling PPVs have been this year for both TNA and WWE.

Having said that, the PPV seemed ok from what I read. Miz/Morrison will be at least something new going into the Rumble unless they throw Orton into the title match as well, but I can see him and Cena having the Hogan/Warrior face off during the Rumble. I did not expect Edge to win and maybe Christian's return will lead to the two of them at Mania instead wasting our time with Kane/Taker for the title. Miz will probably run with the title going into Mania to face Cena is my pick. As much as I liked the Nexus storyline being over, it really should have been more then just Cena taking them out, but I doubt this storyline is over yet anyway.
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#11 Posted on
    Originally posted by lotjx
    So, should we just discuss the PPV in the Raw thread or just no post about the PPVs at all? I am seriously asking this question,


No. All CRZ said was SOMEONE WHO SAW THE SHOW START THE THREAD. That's all. Speculate away in replies but just someone who legitimately witnessed the event should open the proceedings, instead of just cutting and pasting from Wikipedia. Or is what I just wrote also not clear?

I only watched the Divas Tables match this morning online. And as usual, hardly anyone comments on the stuff the Divas do as if they don't exist. Speaking of things that didn't exist, of course the announcers, via their WWE producer masters, kept hyping the match as "the first time ever" Divas were going to go through tables, never mind that 10 years ago, Trish put Lita through a table and the Dudleyz Dudley Bombed Trish through one.

But the Tables match was pretty good. All four Divas did an awesome job and there were some near misses that could have been tragic but they all worked safely yet still delivering the spectacle. Natalya was booked to be particularly dominant and she singlehandedly put both LayCool into the table, which didn't break, so she splashed them from the turnbuckles to end it. Kudos to Michelle and Layla both for bumping for Natalya and Beth. Natalya also did a really awesome double sharpshooter on LayCool that has to be seen to be believed. Beth also had both members of LayCool in a fireman's carry, which was impressive, but not as impressive as when she gave both Mickie James and Melina an over the shoulder backbreaker last year. Beth took an ugly bump falling out of the ring where she landed on her neck and shoulders and folded up like an accordion but she said on Twitter she's fine. She also took two more bumps falling out of the ring not as brutal but still ugly.

Not sure when I'll catch the rest of TLC this week but the reviews for the ladder matches means I'll definitely try to rather than not.

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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.46
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    Natalya also did a really awesome double sharpshooter on LayCool that has to be seen to be believed.


As awesome as it was, she's been beaten to it last fall by this guy at our indy show:



(Of course, someone else probably did it before him) But it was very nice to see the move on national television.



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#13 Posted on
I hope John Morrison gets The Miz an awesome Christmas gift. Let's face it, without his former tag team partner now ruling the roost as WWE Champion, John Morrison would never be main eventing Royal Rumble and challenging for the title. He is one lucky Jannetty.

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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.01
But I thought the WWE had "small plans" for Morrison? THEY'RE DOING IT WRONG.

I did watch the ppv. Kane/Edge/ADR/Rey ladder match and The Shaemus/Morrison were the only stand outs. The opener was very stupid. So inane that I think I repressed the memory of how it ended.
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.32
    Originally posted by CruelAngel777
    But I thought the WWE had "small plans" for Morrison? THEY'RE DOING IT WRONG.


As suggested elsewhere, if Orton makes the match a three-way, Morrison could be eclipsed.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.80
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      Originally posted by CruelAngel777
      But I thought the WWE had "small plans" for Morrison? THEY'RE DOING IT WRONG.


    As suggested elsewhere, if Orton makes the match a three-way, Morrison could be eclipsed.


I dunno, I just don't see that happening. I'd wager the Miz will pull the "you got your rematch, so don't bother waiting for any more title shots, Orton" to lead to some potential Rumble plotlines.
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#17 Posted on
    Originally posted by CruelAngel777
    But I thought the WWE had "small plans" for Morrison? THEY'RE DOING IT WRONG.


There could still be real small plans for John Morrison. Look, he's not winning the title at the Rumble. Anything can happen! But no, he won't. But even if he did...

Morrison vs. Miz at the Rumble means Morrison will not be in the Royal Rumble match itself. Win or lose, Morrison could still conceivably be entered in the Elimination Chamber, but considering that field will likely include Miz, Cena, Orton, Sheamus, maybe Hunter too, or Wade, possibly, Morrison is at the bottom of the list of Man Who Will Be WWE Champion Going Into WrestleMania 27. And that's IF Morrison gets to be in the Chamber and Hunter doesn't take his spot to go after Sheamus.

Which means what for Morrison in regards to WrestleMania 27? He'll be on the show, and hopefully for him in a higher spot than he was in the last two years. (Dark Match at 25, curtain jerker at 26.) Anything above first match on the show will be a promotion for him, but will he even have an angle going to Mania if Sheamus vs.Hunter happens and if Miz goes into Mania as WWE Champion? What are the odds on Morrison vs. Miz at Mania for the title? Long, because Cena and Orton exist. Miz not being Champion at Mania and fighting Morrison on the show in a featured match is probably his best bet. Unless Morrison challenges Bryan or whoever is US Champion. Most likely, Morrison gets plugged into Money in the Bank.

Point is, Morrison owes even being in the WWE Title picture for the first time in his career entirely to the fact that his former tag team partner completely eclipsed him career-wise and now is the WWE Champion. Everyone else of greater value will be in the Rumble match itself to position them for WrestleMania. But Miz has to wrestle someone at the Rumble, and this former tag team partners explode storyline has juice to it. As a one shot deal.

Even if The Miz loses the title at the Rumble, or at Chamber, or at Mania, Miz has positioned himself on his own as a top guy who's over. Morrison is, as of yet, neither.

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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.01
I swear I've had this same argument with you over CM Punk during his first title run. Morrison won't go over just yet as champion because the nationwide reaction and exposure for Miz is "supposedly" strong. Morrison just needs consistent fan reaction and strong merch sales and he'll be main event by late next year, and he'll be upper mid-card until then. He's went over Shamus twice, has a ready made feud with the current champion. Morrison shirts must be flying, not as fast as Cena but if Creative just wanted Miz to face a former tag partner we'd be getting set for Show vs. Miz at the Rumble. Nope Big Show is playing Santa and selling a straight-to-dvd movie.

There are no small plans for Morrison anytime soon.
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#19 Posted on
    Originally posted by CruelAngel777
    I swear I've had this same argument with you over CM Punk during his first title run.


Punk's first title run as a babyface was a bust. Convince me otherwise. Punk eventually broke through because - and this is the same reason he's also now beloved as a color commentator - Punk is great at promos. Is Morrison?

    Originally posted by CruelAngel777
    Morrison just needs consistent fan reaction and strong merch sales and he'll be main event by late next year, and he'll be upper mid-card until then.


This is true. And this exact same song and dance has been said of John Morrison since he and Miz split in 2008. He was the "can't miss" of the team, remember. And he has. True, the company took haphazard aim blindfolded and their bow didn't have a string, but the result is the flaming arrow of Morrison's days as a top guy in WWE has yet to get off the ground. Morrison is behind schedule on being the super duper megastar he is supposedly destined to be.

    Originally posted by CruelAngel777
    He's went over Shamus twice, has a ready made feud with the current champion. Morrison shirts must be flying, not as fast as Cena but if Creative just wanted Miz to face a former tag partner we'd be getting set for Show vs. Miz at the Rumble. Nope Big Show is playing Santa and selling a straight-to-dvd movie.


Show is also on a different brand so he can't face Miz for the WWE Title anyway.

    Originally posted by CruelAngel777
    There are no small plans for Morrison anytime soon.


We've been bearing witness to those small plans for two years. The current build of him is a positive, no doubt. I simply do have doubts Creative will sustain this interest in him beyond the Rumble. I think he is just Someone For Miz to Wrestle at Royal Rumble Who Comes With An Easy, Ready-Made Angle.

Despite all my anti-Morrison vitriol, I actually WANT to like the guy. But I don't. I will be more than happy to do a complete about face on John Morrison when he and Creative work together consistently over a sustained period of time to give me a reason to root for him. Just like I now do Punk and just like I now do Miz. (Who are two guys I didn't want to like but now do very, very much.)

I will say this: I'll be at TD Garden for the Rumble. If John Morrison defeats The Miz right there in front of my eyes and becomes WWE Champion, I will gladly post a photo of me taken from my seat indicating I was wrong. (I'm not promising it'll be anything close to Angry Miz Girl, but it should be in that vein.)

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I think Morrison could've been the weak January challenger for a Rumble title match against any heel champion, since WWE's new desire is putting all the biggest babyfaces in the Rumble to make it more unpredictable. That he's going against his ex-partner and perpetual sporadic rival is a nice thing for both guys and their history and should make for some fun TV. Maybe it'll even unexpectedly click for them like Jeff Hardy vs. Orton did a couple years ago.

Morrison has gone over Sheamus twice on PPV; I think that's kind of remarkable in and of itself. With his strong last few months, I think Morrison is a Legitimate Money In The Bank Candidate at Wrestlemania, possibly even a favorite unless Alberto del Rio is in the match. That presumes there will be a MITB, but let's.

If you go back to the thread for the Raw draft last spring I'm pretty sure I wrote about how terrible going to Raw would be for Morrison and Truth and how much better off they'd be on Smackdown, but Raw has worked out great for both of them the same year that Smackdown has done a terrible job of cultivating their young dudes with upward potential. Look at where Kofi and Morrison, two similar guys in style and position, were at the last TLC and look at where they are now.

In a similar vein it's been an entire year since the great Sheamus catastrophe of December '09. With a year's hindsight, it's pretty clear I was definitely wrong about Sheamus being unworthy of the push he'd just started. As it turns out, he's very good. With the same year's hindsight, I still don't think he should've won the title from Cena at that show. The reign was pointless*, the midcarder insta-champs trend is bad for the belt, and he would've been better off with a steadier build to the top leading him to Triple H at Wrestlemania.

* to be fair I would guess Sheamus and Triple H was always intended to be the WM title match until sometime in February when the decision-making people saw how great Batista was doing and figured that his feud with Cena would be a lot hotter as the title match than HHH/Sheamus.

    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    I only watched the Divas Tables match this morning online. And as usual, hardly anyone comments on the stuff the Divas do as if they don't exist.


Well, I ask you, do the previous new faces of women's wrestling at a championship level in 2010, Maryse, Eve "Torres," and Alicia Fox, exist?

I did like their table match. Layla is such a wonderful stooge. I'm not surprised that the combined mass of a recovering anorexic and a professional dancer couldn't simultaneously break a table, however.

If I had one more thing to add about the show it would be that there should've been a Daniel Bryan vs. Tyson Kidd or somebody match instead of the junk. That's an unfair way to snap Bryan's streak of having the best match on every PPV since he came back.

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