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http://www.time.com/time/person-of-the-year/2011/

Now not as bad as the You back in the 1990s. I am not a big fan of name the group of the year. Especially for groups who at times have nothing in common. Washington Post made a pitch for Steve Jobs. To me, if you were going to give to a group, Seal Team Six comes to mind. Person, fuck lets go with G.R.R. Martin for having a successful show and book come out. Its as silly as Zuckerberg getting it last year for Social Media being out.



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You are way off. It was only five years ago, in 2006.



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The Middle East protests/regime changes were certainly major stories this year, but this selection sounds like TIME couldn't quite decide which one to feature over the others. So, the choice was just 'The Protestor,' which also allows them to recognize Occupy Wall Street.

The runners-up TIME lists on their webpage were laughable. Paul Ryan? Kate Middleton? Ai Weiwei? Only McRaven would've been a decent candidate and even then, it may have been more fitting to award it to Seal Team Six as a unit.



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The Occupy movement here in Edmonton was mocked and ridiculed in media pretty much every day.

I seriously think Time didn't really think it all through. The team that brought down Bin Laden should have been chosen.

(edited by Oliver on 14.12.11 2333)

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    Originally posted by Oliver
    The Occupy movement here in Edmonton was mocked and ridiculed in media pretty much every day.

    I seriously think Time didn't really think it all through.


EDM was for sure the epicenter of this story.
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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by Oliver
      The Occupy movement here in Edmonton was mocked and ridiculed in media pretty much every day.

      I seriously think Time didn't really think it all through.


    EDM was for sure the epicenter of this story.


What the fuck is there for Canadians to be 'protesting'? They have the envy of America over it's health care system and it doesn't have anything like the immigrant problems America has and it has all that sweet, unpolluted air America doesn't have... What the fuck? I'd ask if I could move there but they're too picky about who is allowed citizenship up there. SEE! They're even better at granting citizenship than America is... shit man!



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.12
    Originally posted by Oliver
    The Occupy movement here in Edmonton was mocked and ridiculed in media pretty much every day.

    I seriously think Time didn't really think it all through. The team that brought down Bin Laden should have been chosen.

    (edited by Oliver on 14.12.11 2333)

I think it's silly to lump together the protesters in the Middle East with the various groups of protesters carrying on in NYC and various other American cities. As I posted on Facebook a week ago when I first read about this story: "Note: This does not necessarily refer to YOU, dirty hipster who spent a month pooping all over the park. The only impact you had was ruining someone's commute to work."

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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by Oliver
      The Occupy movement here in Edmonton was mocked and ridiculed in media pretty much every day.

      I seriously think Time didn't really think it all through.


    EDM was for sure the epicenter of this story.
I was using my town as an example. I don't know about anyone else's experiences, but here, it was a waste.

Did it really contribute to anything positive?
    Originally posted by Cerebus
    What the fuck is there for Canadians to be 'protesting'? They have the envy of America over it's health care system and it doesn't have anything like the immigrant problems America has and it has all that sweet, unpolluted air America doesn't have... What the fuck? I'd ask if I could move there but they're too picky about who is allowed citizenship up there. SEE! They're even better at granting citizenship than America is... shit man!
The leader of the local Occupy movement said he's fighting for free post-secondary education, among other things. Yeah...like that's ever going to happen.

I kind of wish the Canadian government would take a few pages from the Americans and their immigration policy, but that's another discussion for a different thread.



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    Originally posted by Oliver
    The Occupy movement here in Edmonton was mocked and ridiculed in media pretty much every day.


So the media of Edmonton, a town which almost exclusively sends Conservatives to the House of Commons, and is the capital city of the most intransigent, monomaniacally conservative province in the country, mocked the Occupy movement? You don't say!



    Originally posted by Cerebus
    What the fuck is there for Canadians to be 'protesting'?


Plenty. Just because things aren't as bad as they are in the States is no reason not to be concerned. Our income gap, according to the OECD, is at a record high. Shouldn't we try to do something about it while things are just somewhat bad? Where is it written you can't protest something until it's full-on horrible? We have a far-right wing PM who has been stacking the Senate for years with his ilk and just won a majority in Parliament and can do anything he wants for the next damn-near four years. There's a lot to be worried about.



(edited by Hogan's My Dad on 26.12.11 1528)


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    Originally posted by Oliver

    I seriously think Time didn't really think it all through. The team that brought down Bin Laden should have been chosen.



I disagree. Let's completely ignore the "Occupy" movement for a moment, which I'll agree has had a rather negligible impact.

The regimes of Egypt, Tunisia and Libya fell. Gaddafi was killed. Governmental changes occurred all over the Middle East. Women gained the franchise in Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia, for crying out loud!

Arab Spring went on to inspire protests throughout the world, including former Soviet countries such as Azerbaijan and Georgia, sub-Saharan African countries, and yes, the U.S. and Canada.



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    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
      Originally posted by Oliver
      The Occupy movement here in Edmonton was mocked and ridiculed in media pretty much every day.


    So the media of Edmonton, a town which almost exclusively sends Conservatives to the House of Commons, and is the capital city of the most intransigent, monomaniacally conservative province in the country, mocked the Occupy movement? You don't say!


I'm pretty sure that even the left lending Liberals saw it as a wasted cause.

    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
      Originally posted by Oliver
      What the fuck is there for Canadians to be 'protesting'?

I didn't say that.

    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    Plenty. Just because things aren't as bad as they are in the States is no reason not to be concerned. Our income gap, according to the OECD, is at a record high. Shouldn't we try to do something about it while things are just somewhat bad? Where is it written you can't protest something until it's full-on horrible? We have a far-right wing PM who has been stacking the Senate for years with his ilk and just won a majority in Parliament and can do anything he wants for the next damn-near four years. There's a lot to be worried about.
I support Prime Minister Harper. I think he's done a good job with the hand he's been dealt, and even in these economic times, Canada's been in decent shape. No major Canadian financial institution has been shuttered, and he shelved the Liberal gun registry and withdrew our support of the Kyoto accord, opting for our own system of Greenhouse gas reduction. Plus, he lowered the GST by two points. Yeah, he's not perfect, but after a decade of Liberal rule, he's a good choice. Plus, ask anyone in Ontario if Bob Rae as Liberal leader inspires confidence. I'd bet you'll get a resounding NO.







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Sorry about the misquote, Oliver. *blush* Now I'll try to get to your points succintly and then I'll bow out as this is getting somewhat off-topic (probably my fault).

I won't pretend to know in intimate detail the political bearing of Edmonton's media, but I doubt your "liberals" are really that liberal. I am not arguing #OccupyEdmonton was a success, I only feel that the movement in general says something good.

As for all your Harper checkpoints, a few quick notes. One, the Kyoto withdrawal is not a move worth praising. Canada is now an embarrassment on environmental policy and our own greenhouse gas reductions strategies are anemic in their approach. This is not leadership. He did the GST reduction on the back of the massive surplus he inherited from the Liberals. The stability of Canadian financial institutions during the economic crisis has very little to do with the Prime Minister. It has a lot more to do with the kind of strict regulation Harper has abhorred from time immemorial. Canadian banks were not allowed, due to these regulations, to go around placing bets like drunken sailors as they were able and even encouraged to do south of the border. As far as the gun registry goes, that was divisive issue but it was not black and white. The Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police, for example, wanted it kept, citing its ability to help track down where weapons used in violent crimes came from. I don't find that explicitly frivolous, even if there's an argument against it.

At the core of my dislike of Harper is my feeling that he is an extreme right winger, and is not in the tradition of more tolerable Conservatives like Kim Campbell and Brian Mulroney. I think that's the image he courts, but I don't think it's genuine. I am also uncomfortable with his U.S. infatuation; most of his philosophy comes down to making us more like them. I like us, I don't want to be more like them. He wrote President Bush a letter of apology for us not going into Iraq. This kind of ass-kissing and pandering makes me want to vomit. I think he's moderated his image for years to make himself more palatable, and now that he's got his majority, I think we're going to see him impose his ideology for the sake of doing it, not because it is needed or makes sense. He wants to build prisons, for example, at a time when StatsCanada is telling us crime is down nationally to a forty year low. And just for contradicting him, he shuts the long-form census down. His government says "Crime is up, people just aren't reporting it." These people are morons, using non-data and unprovable negatives to justify decisions bases solely on their absurd belief system.

These are the just some of the things I dislike about the man. But I've ranted long enough. We'll never agree, obviously, but at least you know where I stand and I hope you can respect that my positions are thought out and have some basis in fact, and I'm not just some "lefty loony" as your ilk likes to say.




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At the risk of taking this thread further off topic, if you disagree with what Harper has done on Kyoto by withdrawing from it, what is it that you would have had him do? Remain in the treaty and pay reparations for when the targets were missed? That's 14 billion dollars of Canadian money leaving Canada, which really doesn't make sense at a time like this. The blame for Kyoto's failure has to lie on Jean Chretien, who signed us onto the treaty and then proceeded to pretend that it didn't exist, allowing emissions to grow unchecked. Harper has pulled the plug now, but the Liberals had nine years after ratifying the accord to make progress on it before they lost power. Had they actually done any work during that time, then Harper might be facing a PR problem now for cancelling it. But nothing was done. So why blame Harper for being realistic about it instead of blaming Chretien for signing a treaty he had no intention of abiding by?

I take umbrage with the suggestion that Harper is an 'extreme right winger', too. If he was an extreme right winger, why is gay marriage not only still legal in Canada since his majority, but also there not being even a hint of it being repealed? Look down at the US, there's plenty of true 'extreme right wingers' there, just watch any of the Republican candidate debates. If you really think Harper is as bad or worse than them, then I'm not sure what facts you're operating on.
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We didn't necessarily have to stay in Kyoto, but we're not replacing it with something adequate. I'm not saying the Liberals weren't disappointing on many fronts, but Canada's performance on the environment is abysmal and we're locked long-term into an administration which may not even believe climate change is happening. Certainly, the Liberals did not hold up their end with Kyoto, but what is the current government doing now?

As for your gay marriage example, just because he hasn't done what one might expect of an extreme right-winger isn't proof he isn't one. It's sort of a deductive fallacy to say so. He may have his own reasons for not wanting to take that particular battle on at that point, or perhaps ever. It probably wouldn't be worth the trouble. And again, since when is the bar "not as bad as the U.S."? He may not be as bad as them, but the fact he thinks of Canada as a "northern European welfare state in the worst sense of the term" and used to hang out with the National Citizens Coalition (and by "hang out with" I really mean "was President of"), which absolutely is a lobby group which takes far right positions that would never fly with average Canadians makes me question everything the man does. The scope of this discussion is probably too vast for this particular thread. Again, sorry for the hijack.





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