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Since: 23.5.02
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I couldn't find a link to the actual column this story is in reference to. U Mass student column basically blasting Pat Tillman.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ nfl/news/story?id=1792200



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I read the story I wasn't even going to ackonwledge this asshole's existance...





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Indeed. When all anyone can talk about is Tillman's high character and selflessness (especially those who knew him) it takes a real cocksucker to suggest otherwise, but now he's got some attention on himself, which is probably all the writer was trying to get anyway. Prick.



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As JayJay Dean pointed out, this fuckstick is trying to make a name for himself ... here's an idea, let's take this guy and drop him off in some neighborhoods in New York and see if he decides to retract his story ... If he wants to compare shit to his home neighborhood in Puerto Rico, let him go back there on the next boat out.




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Do you think this Douche-Nozzle appreciates the irony in the fact that it's these "Rambo idiots" like Tillman that allow him to spew his garbage in a University newspaper...??
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    Originally posted by Mayhem

    As JayJay Dean pointed out, this fuckstick is trying to make a name for himself ... here's an idea, let's take this guy and drop him off in some neighborhoods in New York and see if he decides to retract his story ... If he wants to compare shit to his home neighborhood in Puerto Rico, let him go back there on the next boat out.


Better yet, let's drop him at Camp Pendleton or even better introduce him to Tillman's brother.

What a dumbass, I hate people like this who try to be cool by bucking the system "to make a name"....I wonder if this kid has shown up for any of his classes since this came out? I can imagine more than one person has hunted down this kid's schedule



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I saw a link to the story posted elsewhere, but it seems to be dead now. Here's some more sorry examples, though. (Warning: political spin included).

Slain Army Ranger called 'dumb jock'
Liberal website yanks Pat Tillman 'hate'
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Having been a columnist, it's doing the same thing in an opinion page what we here would call trolling. DOing something to get attention and to make some sort of name for oneself offends me more than ANYTHING he wrote about Tillman.

And college newspapers are really bad about that, since usually it's the editorial staff sitting around with a gravity bong* daring one person to do something like this

*Not that I'd KNOW...



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It really is saddening when somebody's freedoms are provided by somebody who they dont know, and are used to defame them after thier death.

Interesting that he goes to UMASS, and not the University of San Jaun.

But, living free to make ignorant statements is what people like Pat Tillman and countless others are more than willing to risk thier lives for.

What a douchbag.



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Our local Fox affiliate will be covering this on the 10 o'clock news tonight. I can't believe they're giving this idiot this much press. It's exactly what he wants.



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Here is the article:

When the death of Pat Tillman occurred, I turned to my friend who was
watching the news with me and said, "How much you want to bet they start
talking about him as a 'hero' in about two hours?" Of course, my friend
did
not want to make that bet. He'd lose. In this self-critical incapable
nation, nothing but a knee-jerk "He's a hero" response is to be
expected.


I've been mystified at the absolute nonsense of being in "awe" of
Tillman's
"sacrifice" that has been the American response. Mystified, but not
surprised. True, it's not everyday that you forgo a $3.6 million
contract
for joining the military. And, not just the regular army, but the elite
Army Rangers. You know he was a real Rambo, who wanted to be in the
"real"
thick of things. I could tell he was that type of macho guy, from his
scowling, beefy face on the CNN pictures. Well, he got his wish. Even
Rambo
got shot in the third movie, but in real life, you die as a result of
being
shot. They should call Pat Tillman's army life "Rambo 4: Rambo Attempts
to
Strike Back at His Former Rambo 3 Taliban Friends, and Gets Killed."


But, does that make him a hero? I guess it's a matter of perspective.
For
people in the United States, who seem to be unable to admit the
stupidity
of both the Afghanistan and Iraqi wars, such a trade-off in life
standards
(if not expectancy) is nothing short of heroic. Obviously, the man must
be
made of "stronger stuff" to have had decided to "serve" his country
rather
than take from it. It's the old JFK exhortation to citizen service to
the
nation, and it seems to strike an emotional chord. So, it's
understandable
why Americans automatically knee-jerk into hero worship.


However, in my neighborhood in Puerto Rico, Tillman would have been
called
a "pendejo," an idiot. Tillman, in the absurd belief that he was
defending
or serving his all-powerful country from a seventh-rate, Third World
nation
devastated by the previous conflicts it had endured, decided to give up
a
comfortable life to place himself in a combat situation that cost him
his
life. This was not "Ramon or Tyrone," who joined the military out of
financial necessity, or to have a chance at education. This was a "G.I.
Joe" guy who got what was coming to him. That was not heroism, it was
prophetic idiocy.


Tillman, probably acting out his nationalist-patriotic fantasies forged
in
years of exposure to Clint Eastwood and Rambo movies, decided to insert
himself into a conflict he didn't need to insert himself into. It wasn't
like he was defending the East coast from an invasion of a foreign
power.
THAT would have been heroic and laudable. What he did was make himself
useful to a foreign invading army, and he paid for it. It's hard to say
I
have any sympathy for his death because I don't feel like his "service"
was
necessary. He wasn't defending me, nor was he defending the Afghani
people.
He was acting out his macho, patriotic crap and I guess someone with a
bigger gun did him in.


Perhaps it's the old, dreamy American thought process that forces them
to
put sports greats and "larger than life" sacrificial lambs on the
pedestal
of heroism, no matter what they've done. After all, the American nation
has
no other role to play but to be the cheerleaders of the home team; a sad
role to have to play during conflicts that suffer from severe legitimacy
and credibility problems.

Matters are a little clearer for those living outside the American
borders.
Tillman got himself killed in a country other than his own without
having
been forced to go over to that country to kill its people. After all,
whether we like them or not, the Taliban is more Afghani than we are.
Their
resistance is more legitimate than our invasion, regardless of the fact
that our social values are probably more enlightened than theirs. For
that,
he shouldn't be hailed as a hero, he should be used as a poster boy for
the
dangerous consequences of too much "America is #1," frat boy, propaganda
bull. It might just make a regular man irrationally drop $3.6 million to
go
fight in a conflict that was anything but "self-defense." The same could
be
said of the unusual belief of 50 percent of the American nation that
thinks
Saddam Hussein was behind Sept. 11. One must indeed stand in awe of the
amazing success of the American propaganda machine. It works wonders.


Al-Qaeda won't be defeated in Afghanistan, even if we did kill all their
operatives there. Only through careful and logical changing of the
underlying conditions that allow for the ideology to foster will
Al-Qaeda
be defeated. Ask the Israelis if 50 years of blunt force have eradicated
the Palestinian resistance. For that reason, Tillman's service, along
with
that of thousands of American soldiers, has been wrongly utilized. He
did die in vain, because in the years to come, we will realize the irrationality of the War on Terror and the American reaction to Sept. 11.
The sad part is that we won't realize it before we send more people like
Pat Tillman over to their deaths.

------------------------

Sorry about the formatting, I cut and pasted it out of an email that is giving out the writer's email, phone and address so that everyone can harrass him.

Feel free to flame me but, other than the 2nd paragraph (where the writer calls him Rambo) I find little offensive about this. I admire Tillman for his sacrafice but I to wonder if it was in vain. I wonder if our current actions in the middle east are doing any good and worry that they are actually making things worse.

Do the terrorists need to pay. YES

However we are stretched too thin by fighting in two contries. The administration has taken resoures from the fight on terror and used them to finish a family feud.

The writer has every right to voice this opinion and instead of going to the knee jerk reaction of this guy is an idiot, maybe we should read the whole article. Take into account that not everyone is happy with what we are doing around the world. And maybe we don't know what is best for everyone.

Tillman is a hero to me, for being willing to give it all up to serve his country. But unfortunatly his sacrafice will do little good if we take away the freedom to speak your mind in our country, and by arogently wielding our power in the world create future terrorist trying to take out a select few.

So go ahead and call the writer names, say that he should be deported since he isn't even american and its america's freedoms that let him write this. Its your right.

But some of us will read a little father and see that the writer has some good points, and feel a little sadder that we lost a hero who was part of an occuping force, fighting a war that we won't win by killing Osama, removing Saddam or forcing our will on a region that doesn't want us there.
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brick, I read the whole pathetic thing, and yes the writer is a total idiot, a racist, and makes pretty much zero valid points.

" This was not "Ramon or Tyrone," who joined the military out of
financial necessity, or to have a chance at education. This was a "G.I.
Joe" guy who got what was coming to him. That was not heroism, it was
prophetic idiocy. "

Yes, he was a rich white guy so he's an idiot for joining, unlike them Mexicans and blacks who have to. Cause no one intelligent would ever join the military for a reason other than being poor. Fucking moron.

God forbid we take a "knee-jerk" reaction to his retardation, cause he clearly took his time to think about this issue before deciding how he felt:

"When the death of Pat Tillman occurred, I turned to my friend who was
watching the news with me and said, "How much you want to bet they start
talking about him as a 'hero' in about two hours?" Of course, my friend
did
not want to make that bet. He'd lose. In this self-critical incapable
nation, nothing but a knee-jerk "He's a hero" response is to be
expected. "

Right there he critizises everyone else for their quick reactions, while doing the exact same damn thing himself. This whole article is garbage. Poorly written, by a poor excuse for a human being.

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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.40
http://sports.espn.go.com/ nfl/news/story?id=1792673

And now the jerk apologizes for his article. Perhaps one should think about that beforehand?

(edited by whatever on 30.4.04 0922)


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We don't need to put up with crap like this. I want him out of my country.



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    Originally posted by Nuclear Winter
    We don't need to put up with crap like this. I want him out of my country.


Your country? Well thank bloody God you came down from the mountain to proclaim that you want HIM out of YOUR country!
And as far as the military defending our freedoms, our freedom has been threatened in war once. And it was the first one we were in. Our freedoms were not threatened in WW2(unless of course you were Japanese and then it's off to the camps with you)no matter what Hitler tried. I am so tired of someone blasting this guy for criticizing the armed forces who are ironically defending his right to do so(by that logic). And then they turn around in the next sentence and say "how DARE he make such a statement" and "we don't need to put up with crap like this." Freedom of speech is a tough thing. It is not always easy to listen to statements that make your blood boil. But suck it up.

I do not agree with a fair bit of what this gentleman said. But, it is his right. And quite honestly a lot of people feel as he does right now but are unwilling to say so at this time. My personal opinion on this whole situation is this...Pat Tillman died for what he believed in and that is commendable(if misguided). It's quite popular to mention that he walked away from a large sum of money(3.6 million per I think) to commit himself to the selfless service of his country. I have kind of a different take that I've not heard from anyone else on that though. I think that it was his moral obligation to take care of his family with the oppurtunities presented to him. How many kids in his family(his own, nieces,nephews,cousins...)could've gone to college on that money? I'm not familiar with his financial background but to my way of thinking unless he/they were very well off then he was in a position to better quite a few lives. I do not know if his death was in vain. Time will teach us all the lessons on that. I do not believe that our current military strategy will effectively silence the forces who are opposing us(brute force rarely does that to deeply held idealogy). But I do know that his family would be better off with a live husband/son than a dead "hero"...just my opinion though...it IS my right, you know.

(edited by bigtotoro on 30.4.04 2301)

(edited by bigtotoro on 1.5.04 0026)

(edited by bigtotoro on 1.5.04 0026)
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.70
Well, he isnt FROM this country. The one I am from, so yes, it is MY contry.

He has every right to say what he said, correct. Just like I have every right to call him a trolling, shit for brain, ass monkey.

BTW, just because we havent been threatened ON OUR SOIL, doesnt mean that people who are serving, even overseas, are not protecting this nation.


BTW part 2:
{ This is unnecessary - CRZ }

(edited by StaggerLee on 1.5.04 0658)

(edited by CRZ on 1.5.04 1309)

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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Well, he isnt FROM this country. The one I am from, so yes, it is MY contry.

    He has every right to say what he said, correct. Just like I have every right to call him a trolling, shit for brain, ass monkey.

    BTW, just because we havent been threatened ON OUR SOIL, doesnt mean that people who are serving, even overseas, are not protecting this nation.


    BTW part 2:
    { This is unnecessary - CRZ }



    (edited by StaggerLee on 1.5.04 0658)


Him being from Puerto Rico makes the United States HIS country too as they are a US territory, and anyone born there is a US citizen. Everything else you said I agree with 100%. He may have the right to his opinion, but I have an equal amount of right to disagree with it.

Of course him being from UMass/Amherst, which people around here also call "Happy Valley", they believe in freedom of speech as long as you agree with them.

(edited by CRZ on 1.5.04 1309)
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    Originally posted by bigtotoro
    And as far as the military defending our freedoms, our freedom has been threatened in war once. And it was the first one we were in. Our freedoms were not threatened in WW2(unless of course you were Japanese and then it's off to the camps with you)no matter what Hitler tried.


I'd just like to point out how silly this statement is. World War Two was not all about Hitler. We also fought the Japanese, who attacked us on OUR SOIL and I'm sure many of the men on the USS Arizona would have prefered that their freedom to live had not been taken away.

That part of your post really takes away from the point you were trying to make.

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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by BOSsportsfan34
    Him being from Puerto Rico makes the United States HIS country too as they are a US territory, and anyone born there is a US citizen.


Most of my Puerto Rican friends in high school considered themselves Puerto Rican FIRST, and a US citizen second.

Maybe it's a DC thing, but take it for what you will.




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Come to think of it, I have never seen a Puerto Rican driving around with an American flag hanging from thier rear view mirror.



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