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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.26
From Scherer at PWInsider:

No Money In The Bank at Wrestlemania


    It looks that way as WWE is now advertising that the July 18th PPV is titled "Money In The Bank". Also, they have April 25 PPV listed as "Extreme Rules" while the May 23rd show is now being called "WWE Wild Card". A new show called "Fatal Four Way" is slated for June 20.


I can appreciate the MitB match getting moved to July, but now they've just put a whole lot of midcarders in limbo for WM. Off the top of my head, I can think of Morrison, R-Truth, Kofi, Dolph, and Christian who could have gotten on the card through this match. What do they do with those midcarders now, if anything?

(edited by It's False on 18.2.10 1909)


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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.25
    Originally posted by It's False
    From Scherer at PWInsider:

    No Money In The Bank at Wrestlemania


      It looks that way as WWE is now advertising that the July 18th PPV is titled "Money In The Bank". Also, they have April 25 PPV listed as "Extreme Rules" while the May 23rd show is now being called "WWE Wild Card". A new show called "Fatal Four Way" is slated for June 20.


    I can appreciate the MitB match getting moved to July, but now they've just put a whole lot of midcarders in limbo for WM. Off the top of my head, I can think of Morrison, R-Truth, Kofi, Dolph, and Christian who could have gotten on the card through this match. What do they do with those midcarders now, if anything?

    (edited by It's False on 18.2.10 1909)


Morrison vs McIntyre, R-Truth vs Christian, and maybe a battle royale that Dolph can be in. Or maybe just a huge battle royale. They have to do SOMETHING with the 30 minutes MITB would take up.

I guess this means Backlash is gone and replaced with WM rematches with extreme rules now? =( Backlash was the best PPV going since 2000. Every backlash has been comparable or better than its previous WM, save 2001. Every one.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.33
The fact that there is a MITB PPV does not automatically mean that here will be no MITB match at WresteMania.

There probably won't but it's not automatic.

As an example, if they Bret/Luger the MITB match and had two guys both come down with the briefcase - or each came down with half, they could keep a feud going for a while that led to the MITB PPV.





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Doesn't having MitB prior to Wrestlemania mean that someone can call in their match AT Wrestlemania?
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.59
    Originally posted by Lise
    Doesn't having MitB prior to Wrestlemania mean that someone can call in their match AT Wrestlemania?
Yes. I believe that's even been teased about in promos before Mania by MitB competitors.



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.25
    Originally posted by Lise
    Doesn't having MitB prior to Wrestlemania mean that someone can call in their match AT Wrestlemania?


yeah but they still could now. They had til Wrestlemania the following year.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.44
    Originally posted by Lise
    Doesn't having MitB prior to Wrestlemania mean that someone can call in their match AT Wrestlemania?


They could, but then the WWE would have to book 8 months in advance. I doubt the WWE is going to choose somebody to wrestle at WM in July and stick to it. The only way the MitB winner is lasting all the way to WM is if the briefcase changes hands several times and that's kind of lame.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.89
    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
      Originally posted by Lise
      Doesn't having MitB prior to Wrestlemania mean that someone can call in their match AT Wrestlemania?


    yeah but they still could now. They had til Wrestlemania the following year.


Yeah but hasn't there been injury problems etc. with this in the past?

/edit What I mean is the whole shifting around stinks of a "surprise" match at Mania for this year. (who knows if they'll even keep the schedule more than one year)

(edited by Lise on 18.2.10 2330)
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.69
    Originally posted by hansen9j
      Originally posted by Lise
      Doesn't having MitB prior to Wrestlemania mean that someone can call in their match AT Wrestlemania?
    Yes. I believe that's even been teased about in promos before Mania by MitB competitors.


Hmm, suddenly the 'Michaels wins MITB, cashes it in at WM26 against Undertaker' theory is taking on a lot more steam. It would be a good way to get the briefcase 'out of the way' and out of everyone's minds before it's brought back at this new PPV.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.94
    Originally posted by It's False
    From Scherer at PWInsider:

    No Money In The Bank at Wrestlemania


      It looks that way as WWE is now advertising that the July 18th PPV is titled "Money In The Bank". Also, they have April 25 PPV listed as "Extreme Rules" while the May 23rd show is now being called "WWE Wild Card". A new show called "Fatal Four Way" is slated for June 20.


    I can appreciate the MitB match getting moved to July, but now they've just put a whole lot of midcarders in limbo for WM. Off the top of my head, I can think of Morrison, R-Truth, Kofi, Dolph, and Christian who could have gotten on the card through this match. What do they do with those midcarders now, if anything?

    (edited by It's False on 18.2.10 1909)


That's a good point because the MITB match made mid-carders relevant at what is the biggest PPV of the year. But I hope they don't move it because the MITB match has been a good match and a highlight reel on itself at WM for some time now.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.45
    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
    I guess this means Backlash is gone and replaced with WM rematches with extreme rules now? =( Backlash was the best PPV going since 2000. Every backlash has been comparable or better than its previous WM, save 2001. Every one.


2003 Backlash wasn't any good, but a good point well made. I'd never thought of that.
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.26
    Originally posted by hansen9j
      Originally posted by Lise
      Doesn't having MitB prior to Wrestlemania mean that someone can call in their match AT Wrestlemania?
    Yes. I believe that's even been teased about in promos before Mania by MitB competitors.


Kennedy announced to the world that he was going to cash in his MitB at WM, but then he was either hurt or wellnessed and lost the briefcase to Edge and we know the rest of the story.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.57
    Originally posted by The Game
      Originally posted by It's False
      From Scherer at PWInsider:

      No Money In The Bank at Wrestlemania


        It looks that way as WWE is now advertising that the July 18th PPV is titled "Money In The Bank". Also, they have April 25 PPV listed as "Extreme Rules" while the May 23rd show is now being called "WWE Wild Card". A new show called "Fatal Four Way" is slated for June 20.


      I can appreciate the MitB match getting moved to July, but now they've just put a whole lot of midcarders in limbo for WM. Off the top of my head, I can think of Morrison, R-Truth, Kofi, Dolph, and Christian who could have gotten on the card through this match. What do they do with those midcarders now, if anything?

      (edited by It's False on 18.2.10 1909)


    That's a good point because the MITB match made mid-carders relevant at what is the biggest PPV of the year. But I hope they don't move it because the MITB match has been a good match and a highlight reel on itself at WM for some time now.

I hope there is not a MITB at Mania, it has become too much of a crutch for the bookers. I said the same thing last year. Don't know what to do with a guy? Throw him in the MITB match! I think it makes the midcarders even LESS relevant because the bookers couldn't even be bothered to come up with something for these guys at the biggest show of the year, so they just dump them all in one match. It was even worse when it expanded to 8 from 6. Now they may have to get off their lazy butts and be creative. And I hate to say it, but some guys don't necessarily deserve a spot at the grandaddy of them all. How is it special if every curtain jerker is cashing a check?




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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.59
    Originally posted by Rudoublesedoublel
      Originally posted by hansen9j
        Originally posted by Lise
        Doesn't having MitB prior to Wrestlemania mean that someone can call in their match AT Wrestlemania?
      Yes. I believe that's even been teased about in promos before Mania by MitB competitors.


    Kennedy announced to the world that he was going to cash in his MitB at WM, but then he was either hurt or wellnessed and lost the briefcase to Edge and we know the rest of the story.

I had actually read Lise's question as asking if people could claim the title shot in the same Wrestlemania as when they won it. Same answer, yes you can, and people have done promos for both. (I think Finlay in particular said he'd crash the main event.)



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.41
Utter bullshit for not having that match at Mania and turning it into a PPV. These stipulation PPVs have gotten out of control, the sad part is people are buying.
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.45
    Originally posted by kentish
    I hope there is not a MITB at Mania, it has become too much of a crutch for the bookers. I said the same thing last year. Don't know what to do with a guy? Throw him in the MITB match! I think it makes the midcarders even LESS relevant because the bookers couldn't even be bothered to come up with something for these guys at the biggest show of the year, so they just dump them all in one match. It was even worse when it expanded to 8 from 6. Now they may have to get off their lazy butts and be creative.


But they won't be. Wrestlemania only has room for about 8 or 9 matches so there's just not enough time on the show for the 8 MITB guys to have meaningful singles feuds instead. So they'll either cram a bunch of people into a battle royal or make them lumberjacks, or they'll leave a bunch of talented people off the show to have a heatless 6 minute IC title match that won't be half as good as the Money in the Bank match is every year.


    And I hate to say it, but some guys don't necessarily deserve a spot at the grandaddy of them all. How is it special if every curtain jerker is cashing a check?


Typically I'd say there are more deserving people left off the show each year than undeserving people let on.

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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.69
I don't mind the idea of gimmick-based PPVs. It makes them stand out in the mind a lot more than just event after event of basic matches. That said...


    I hope there is not a MITB at Mania, it has become too much of a crutch for the bookers. I said the same thing last year. Don't know what to do with a guy? Throw him in the MITB match! I think it makes the midcarders even LESS relevant because the bookers couldn't even be bothered to come up with something for these guys at the biggest show of the year, so they just dump them all in one match. It was even worse when it expanded to 8 from 6. Now they may have to get off their lazy butts and be creative. And I hate to say it, but some guys don't necessarily deserve a spot at the grandaddy of them all. How is it special if every curtain jerker is cashing a check?


I'd rather have talented guys on the show in a 'crutch' of a match than have them ignored completely or put on the short train to a release. If you're counting on the WWE writing staff to be creative, keep dreaming, and it might cost some good wrestlers their jobs. Especially given that if the MITB is now a PPV headliner, it won't be midcarders competing for the briefcase anymore --- it will be Cena, HHH, Michaels, Orton and the usual main eventers who aren't in that evening's title match themselves.

(edited by Big Bad on 19.2.10 1820)


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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.44
    Originally posted by Big Bad
    I don't mind the idea of gimmick-based PPVs. It makes them stand out in the mind a lot more than just event after event of basic matches. That said...



I agree that I don't have a problem with gimmick-based PPVs as long as two things happen.
1. If it's the TLC PPV for example, I'm fine with the World Title matches being TLC matches (and they've cut the world titles to two now) as long as it isn't EVERY match on the card. I assume that is how they are going to do it but who knows. I actually like TNA's Lockdown PPV but doing a cage for every match and doing something like a TLC match for every match is a little bit different.

2. The PPV has to be the ONLY time that gimmick takes place. If Hell in the Cell is the October PPV then don't have a Hell in the Cell match sometime in June too.



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.59
    Originally posted by Quezzy
    1. If it's the TLC PPV for example, I'm fine with the World Title matches being TLC matches (and they've cut the world titles to two now) as long as it isn't EVERY match on the card. I assume that is how they are going to do it but who knows. I actually like TNA's Lockdown PPV but doing a cage for every match and doing something like a TLC match for every match is a little bit different.

It wasn't all TLC last year.

    Originally posted by Quezzy
    2. The PPV has to be the ONLY time that gimmick takes place. If Hell in the Cell is the October PPV then don't have a Hell in the Cell match sometime in June too.

I get what you're saying, and I agree that they have to be exclusive, but the problem with gimmick PPVs is that sometimes a feud is just begging to be blown off in a TLC or Hell in a Cell. Instead of letting feuds naturally progress and escalate into the big blow-off (Batista/Triple H being a perfect example in my mind), now all of the feuds have to be shoe-horned into the specific stips of that month.



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.57
    Originally posted by Big Bad
    I don't mind the idea of gimmick-based PPVs. It makes them stand out in the mind a lot more than just event after event of basic matches. That said...


      I hope there is not a MITB at Mania, it has become too much of a crutch for the bookers. I said the same thing last year. Don't know what to do with a guy? Throw him in the MITB match! I think it makes the midcarders even LESS relevant because the bookers couldn't even be bothered to come up with something for these guys at the biggest show of the year, so they just dump them all in one match. It was even worse when it expanded to 8 from 6. Now they may have to get off their lazy butts and be creative. And I hate to say it, but some guys don't necessarily deserve a spot at the grandaddy of them all. How is it special if every curtain jerker is cashing a check?


    I'd rather have talented guys on the show in a 'crutch' of a match than have them ignored completely or put on the short train to a release. If you're counting on the WWE writing staff to be creative, keep dreaming, and it might cost some good wrestlers their jobs. Especially given that if the MITB is now a PPV headliner, it won't be midcarders competing for the briefcase anymore --- it will be Cena, HHH, Michaels, Orton and the usual main eventers who aren't in that evening's title match themselves.

    (edited by Big Bad on 19.2.10 1820)

Thinking they need to get off their lazy butts to be creative is a far cry from me believing they will do so.

Never would I want a talented guy to lose his job, but the guys Justin mentioned that were left off the last few WM cards still had a job when the next WM rolled around, and hardly seemed on the "short train to a release". Miz and Morrison are even higher up the food chain than they were at this point last year. Not being at WM doesn't mean you have to worry about your job, it just means you are not one of the top stars at the moment.

MITB matches are always decent, and the first one was actually great. But to me, it just seems like a microcosm of the bookers' laziness. Plus, with an entire TLC PPV now, the ladder matches are even further overexposed.




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