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|  #1 Posted on 6.2.10 2232.47 | Instant Rating: 2.91 | http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4893276
Jerry Rice, Emmity Smith, John Randle, Russ Grimm, Rickey Jackson, Dick LeBeau, and Floyd Little are your class of this year.
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| #2 Posted on 6.2.10 2240.41 | Instant Rating: 4.23 | I have to believe that LaBeau was elected as a player for all his years of service as a coach.
Not that there's anything wrong with Dick LaBeau being in the Hall of Fame, but really they're just skirting the rules here.
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| #3 Posted on 6.2.10 2303.18 | Instant Rating: 6.48 |
I was surprised that Rickey Jackson was the first Saint, since I had assumed archie was in the HOF.
re: LeBeau -- Is there something in the HOF rules about a person being elected for their "career", if it includes playing, coaching and/or front office?
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| #4 Posted on 7.2.10 0103.02 | Instant Rating: 4.13 | No Cris carter? No Tim Brown? No Andre Reed? I know Rice got in easily, but I'm still calling shanegagins (sp.?) on the lack of respect recievers are getting by the HOF voters.
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|  #5 Posted on 7.2.10 0319.26 | Instant Rating: 5.69 | Joe Posnanski, when talking about the Baseball Hall Of Fame, has proposed what he called the 'Gil Hodges Rule' of being able to induct people like Hodges or Buck O'Neill who might not have had elite playing or coaching careers, but their overall contribution to the sport certainly merited induction. I'd argue that LeBeau is more than deserving under this criteria.
I would've voted for Tim Brown over Rickey Jackson, but then again Jackson was before my time.
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| #6 Posted on 7.2.10 0545.44 | Instant Rating: 3.77 | Originally posted by odessasteps
re: LeBeau -- Is there something in the HOF rules about a person being elected for their "career", if it includes playing, coaching and/or front office?
That was a lot of the momentum for John Madden finally getting in a few years ago, his overall contributions. I think he should have been in on his coaching resume alone, but his post-coaching career in the booth and the video game that bears his name were likely just as important to getting him in as being the then youngest head coach at the age of 32 who then proceeded to "reach and lose 5 AFC title games in seven years" (losing to Pittsburgh and Miami - Knoll and Shula - most of those times I believe) before winning his one and only Super Bowl in 1976 before retiring "as the youngest coach ever to reach 100 career regular season victories, a record he compiled in only ten full seasons of coaching at the age of 42. Madden's overall winning percentage including playoff games ranks second in league history. He won a Super Bowl and never had a losing season as a head coach. Madden has a winning record as a head coach against other future Hall of Fame head coaches." (Quotes from his Wikipedia entry).
Long winded way of saying, there is precedent and I think he's more than deserving. I think this will be one of the better HOF classes due to his presence as well as that of the current all time leaders in Rushing and Receiving (Smith and Rice respectively) being in it.
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| #7 Posted on 7.2.10 0813.33 | Instant Rating: 4.86 | Originally posted by odessasteps
I was surprised that Rickey Jackson was the first Saint, since I had assumed archie was in the HOF.
Tough to put a QB in who could never lead his team to a .500 record at least 1 time in his career. And, while revisionist history now states that it was impossible for lower level teams to get good during this time period, the Bucs went from 0-14 to hosting the NFC Title Game in a 3 year period during Archie's career. | StingArmy
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| #8 Posted on 7.2.10 0820.10 | Instant Rating: 5.54 | According to ESPN.com's John Clayton (during an interview on Mike & Mike this morning), when there's a backlog at a certain position (like WR/TE in this case) they take votes away from each other. But once one of those guys gets in, he thinks there'll be a trickle down effect and you'll see a lot more guys from those positions going into the Hall in subsequent years. So now that Rice is in, he thinks Shannon Sharpe, Tim Brown, Andre Reed, and Cris Carter are more likely to make it in soon. And he has no doubt that all of them will make it eventually; it was just hard this year because Rice and Smith were basically auto admits, thus leaving the voters with two fewer spots available to fill.
As for Dick LeBeau, Clayton said he was judged only for his football ability and not his coaching accomplishments. Sixty-two INTs (8th most all time) and being part of a really good defensive unit was enough I guess, or at least that's what John Clayton thinks.
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| #9 Posted on 7.2.10 1028.29 | Instant Rating: 1.03 | Originally posted by redsoxnation
Originally posted by odessasteps
I was surprised that Rickey Jackson was the first Saint, since I had assumed archie was in the HOF.
Tough to put a QB in who could never lead his team to a .500 record at least 1 time in his career. And, while revisionist history now states that it was impossible for lower level teams to get good during this time period, the Bucs went from 0-14 to hosting the NFC Title Game in a 3 year period during Archie's career.
Well, I think the Bucs redid the entire team including QB. The Saints never took that effort.
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| #10 Posted on 7.2.10 1052.30 | Instant Rating: 7.11 | Originally posted by Excalibur05
I have to believe that LaBeau was elected as a player for all his years of service as a coach.
Not that there's anything wrong with Dick LaBeau being in the Hall of Fame, but really they're just skirting the rules here.
I dunno. 62 interceptions is still 7th all-time. Obviously none of us (except pieman, maybe) saw him play, but can you really say a guy with 62 interceptions *isn't* a Hall of Famer? I just think it took a while for LeBeau to get in because of the NFL's Hall of Fame selection process (which is much better than baseball's).
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| #11 Posted on 7.2.10 2218.07 | Instant Rating: 5.39 | | ProFootballReference did an article about LeBeau's credentials. They are of the opinion that neither his playing career nor his coaching career is sufficient for a hall of famer. His contemporaries seemed to agree about his playing career at least, since he was only a 3 time Pro Bowler (in 12 seasons) and never made first-team All Pro. | Eddie Famous
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| #12 Posted on 8.2.10 1209.32 | Instant Rating: 5.57 |
Originally posted by redsoxnation
Originally posted by odessasteps
I was surprised that Rickey Jackson was the first Saint, since I had assumed archie was in the HOF.
Tough to put a QB in who could never lead his team to a .500 record at least 1 time in his career. And, while revisionist history now states that it was impossible for lower level teams to get good during this time period, the Bucs went from 0-14 to hosting the NFC Title Game in a 3 year period during Archie's career.
Plus, he wasn't all that good.
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| #13 Posted on 8.2.10 1403.31 | Instant Rating: 7.20 | I was a little shocked at Rickey Jackson, too. Maybe put all four of the Saints late 80's/early 90's "Dome Patrol" LB corps in as a unit. But since that's not going to happen, I'd have to say this was a bit of a stretch.
Floyd Little? Donkey fans have wanted him in for decades. But, in that time, I don't think they could have stood up and honestly felt that he was HOF worthy. However, now that he's in, it opens the way for possibly Randy Gradishar and Steve Atwater as future HOF Donkeys (I'd mention Shannon Sharpe, but he'll probably go in, regardless). Heck, maybe even Karl Mecklenburg or Simon Fletcher...especially if Rickey Jackson's in.
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|  #14 Posted on 8.2.10 1536.51 | | If Archie Manning got in, then Ken Anderson should go looking for the voters with a bit of wood with a nail through it. |
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