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TONIGHT: It’s the last Raw of 2009 and of this awful decade. It’ll be hosted by the music industry’s jack-of-all-trades, Timbaland. WWE.com says Vince McMahon will publicly address the rumors of Bret Hart coming in. Also, Sheamus faces John Cena in a WWE Title re-match. Hopefully, the Little People’s Court from last week will be ignored.


-WWE Open.

-Chris Jericho was outside the arena amongst the fans he constantly belittles, megaphone in hand. He was asking fans to sign his petition to get him back onto Monday Night Raw, but the fans were, shall we say, less than willing. Jericho said he felt scared for the children of America.

-Raw Open.

-Lots o’fireworks inside the arena kicked off the show. Michael Cole and Jerry Lawler plugged Sheamus vs. John Cena for the WWE Championship, as well as Mr. McMahon addressing rumors of Bret Hart’s return.

-John Cena opened the show by coming out first. Cole noted that they were at the XL Center in Hartford, Connecticut as Cena made his entrance. Before getting into the ring, Cena went under the ring and brought out a table. Cena sat on the top rope and complimented the crowd on their excitement level. Right where he was sitting was where Sheamus became WWE Champion, he said. Cena pointed to the table and said that’s HOW Sheamus became champion. Crowd seemed significantly pro-Cena. Cena wanted the rematch right then and there. And he also wanted it a tables match. Crowd chanted his name after that one. Sheamus came out to reply to the challenge.

As much as people rag on Sheamus, he plain carries himself like a champion, and has since the beginning, which is more than can be said about some of the roster. He has that confidence on the mic too. Sheamus said he doesn’t have to prove anything, as he’s the WWE Champion. Circle gets the square on that one. He said because of that fact, Raw belongs to him. Cena sucked up to the fans again and said Raw belongs to the WWE Universe. He’s so syrupy sweet sometimes, it’s unbearable. Sheamus said “no” to the tables match offer. He said since he already put Cena through a table, it’s not a challenge for him. Burn! Sheamus said the last image of WWE in 2009 will be him standing over Cena’s bruised body with the Championship. Sheamus went to leave, but Cena came from behind, picked him up, and gave him an Attitude Adjustment through the table. He celebrated briefly in the ring, then headed up the ramp. Simple, yet effective (and short!) opening segment.

[Commercial Break]

-They showed a replay of what just happened. Cole and Lawler discussed what impact that could have on their match later on.

-The announcers plugged Timbaland’s new CD and that a major party is underway backstage. They showed Timbaland staring at the camera menacingly, then pulled back to see that he was being joined by (surprise!) The Bella Twins and Gail Kim. Josh Mathews interrupted and asked whether Timbaland has considered postponing the title match ‘til a later date in light of the events that just happened. Timbaland said he wouldn’t postpone “the biggest match of the century.” He looked into the camera and asked if the people still want to see the match. Of course, they did. So he kept it on and went back to partying with the Divas.

-Ted DiBiase and Cody Rhodes were backstage making small-talk with The Marine 2 in hand. They came upon Orton who said it was time to disband Legacy. He said he wasted the last year-and-a-half with them, considering three men with nothing in common beat them last week. Rhodes begged him to reconsider. Orton said none of them are champions, so they’re failures. Rhodes said he and Teddy have bailed him out tons of times this year. Orton said DiBiase would face Evan Bourne and Rhodes would take on Mark Henry tonight. Orton said if they don’t win the matches, they’ll be kicked out of Legacy and he’ll beat the living hell out of them.

-They showed the skyline of Hartford and the exterior of the XL Center, where Jericho was still protesting, but with no one around him. “Stop the Jericho Embargo” is what his sign read.

-The announcers plugged Mr. McMahon’s address about Bret Hart later tonight, as well as Cena vs. Sheamus.

-Randy Orton came out. He’s getting a front row seat for the matches his Legacy underlings are in.

[Commercial Break]

-Jericho was outside again, sitting at a desk you’d see in an elementary class. He demanded fans stop the injustice and sign the petition to get him back on Raw. Folks walked by without acknowledging hm.

-After DiBiase made his entrance for the next match, they showed clips from behind-the-scenes of the movie with interviews from DiBiase and others.

(1) Ted DiBiase vs. Evan Bourne
DiBiase took Bourne out of his boots with a clothesline. Standing vertical suplex by DiBiase got a two-count. Fans got behind Bourne as he was stuck in a headlock. Bourne, with DiBiase seated on the top rope, jumped up and hurricanrana’d him off the top in a sweet move. Standing knee to the face sending DiBiase to the mat in a great sell. DiBiase looked like he tried to send Bourne over his head and face-first to the buckle, but Bourne ended up well short. Dream Street finished Bourne.

Winner: DiBiase, at 2:30. Good while it lasted. Orton seemed less than impressed.

-Rhodes’ match is next, but Sheamus faces John Cena for the WWE Title later on.

[Commercial Break]

-Orton was still sitting at ringside, waiting for the next match.

(2) Cody Rhodes vs. Mark Henry
Beal out of the corner by Henry to start things off, then Rhodes ran right into him, taking a seat in the process. Henry missed the butt splash however and got a low cross-body. Henry pushed Rhodes out of the ring with ease. Back in, Rhodes dropkicked the big man and was clotheslined down. Henry sat down on Rhodes with Cody’s throat draped over the second rope. However, Henry injured his knee in the process. He never recovered, as soon after, Rhodes landed a DDT for the win.

Winner: Rhodes, at 2:06.

Orton clapped, but looked unhappy at the results. In the end, he took Rhodes around the neck like a proud father and complimented him as they headed up the apron, also patting him on the back.

-Jillian and Gail Kim were talking backstage about Timbaland’s tour. Jillian wanted to audition for a part in it. They were right at the entrance of Timbaland’s locker room. A few feet away, DX was readying for a prank. Triple H was duct-taping Hornswoggle to a skateboard as HBK asked what he was doing. Trips said HBK had him for a week and only took Horny to church. Michaels was a little upset over the Bret Hart/Vince McMahon stuff. Apparently, Shawn wanted to go out and confront Vince about it. Trips tried to talk him out of it. Anyway, Jillian was dancing in the doorway. Timbaland came out looking disgusted as Triple H propelled Horny into Jillian. Jillian fell back into some boxes as Timbaland high-fived Hornswoggle.

[Commercial Break]

-Tonight, DX faces Big Show and a question mark later tonight. Also, The Miz faces Kofi Kingston in a non-title match. If Kofi wins, he’ll get a shot at the U.S. Title next week.

(3) Kelly Kelly vs. Maryse
Cole reminded viewers that both of these women starred in a Timbaland music video some years back. The two got tangled up as they went after each other’s hair. Maryse did some trash talk after a shot to the back of Kelly’s head. Dropkick by Kelly, then she went to the top and hit a cross-body for two. Whip into the buckle by Kelly, then she missed her handspring flip. Maryse pulled Kelly off the second rope by her arm. DDT by Maryse, then the Hottest. Pin. Ever. For the pin.

Winner: Maryse, at 1:43. Good that they kept it short.

Maryse got on the mic and laughed after the match, asking if Melina was watching. She said Melina would never be as sexy as her. She also proclaimed herself the next Divas champion and spoke in French. She then hit Kelly with a cheap shot after the match.

-Mr. McMahon will address the Bret Hart rumors next.

[Commercial Break]

-Cole plugged WWE.com.

-Jericho was still outside, playing the “conspiracy victim” game. Talk to Jesse Ventura about that. Big Show walked up to him, apparently yet to make his way to the building for his match. Show asked why he was doing this and Jericho said they never got their real re-match. It turned into Big Show breaking up with Jericho, talking about moving on and how long-distance relationships never work. Show finished up by telling Jericho to let it go. Show gave Jericho an envelope with something in it. When Jericho looked inside, he laughed confidently.

-Mr. McMahon came out. Fans chanted “We want Bret” as soon as Vince got the mic. McMahon said people keep enjoying his ingenious concept of the guest hosts, demonstrating that he’s all about the fans. McMahon then said he has been suggested by some to have Bret Hart guest host next week. McMahon said he put together a brief, unbiased history of Bret Hart for younger fans. They aired it, and it was pretty fair. And a good move, to boot. They did show the Survivor Series incident, with dramatic music and “Bret screwed Bret.” Back live, Vince said he and Bret didn’t leave on the best of terms, and he once again said he didn’t screw Bret, that Bret Hart screwed Bret Hart. He said despite Bret’s egomaniacal actions, he allowed Bret to come back to be inducted into the WWE Hall-of-Fame. He said he didn’t speak to Bret that weekend. The crowd started that “what” shit. He said when Bret walked off the stage at the Hall-of-Fame, Vince extended his hand, but Bret showed him nothing but contempt. McMahon said to show that he’s over it and that he does everything for the fans, in spite of their insipid “whats” and to show you’re an idiot from Hartford say what, and they did so. I knew he’d acknowledge those chants. Vince got a couple of false starts trying to say who next week’s guest host is, saying he just can’t do it. He apologized and said Bret Hart will never be a guest host on Monday Night Raw. Vince started to walk away, but Shawn Michaels came out.

Vince was smiling in the ring as HBK entered the ring. McMahon asked the crowd to give it up for Shawn Michaels. “HBK” chants from the fans. Michaels got the mic and said sometimes, not often, but sometimes there are rivalries that are bigger than the industry. Michaels said he wasn’t talking about Bret Hart, he’s talking about the Undertaker. HBK said he knows he can beat Taker and he knows he can end the undefeated streak. He said he wasn’t out to appeal to Vince’s heart, but to his wallet. At Wrestlemania, he wanted a rematch with Taker. McMahon said he’s reluctant to make the match because he learned his lesson dealing with the Undertaker, so he won’t make the match. He said Shawn would have to make it happen. Vince then began to leave the ring again and Shawn stopped him. Michaels said he can understand Vince being afraid of the Undertaker…..but being afraid of Bret Hart? Michaels said Vince doesn’t have many open chapters left in his life, so maybe he should bring some closure to this one. What does he have to lose? Michaels told McMahon to bring Bret Hart back to WWE. He said if he does, only good things will happen. McMahon said he wasn’t afraid of anyone, first of all. He said he was fearless. Michaels repeated for Vince that only good things will happen. McMahon got in Shawn’s face, then backed away smiling, repeating the phrase. A long pause, then Michaels said he would be more than happy to see Bret Hart one more time. McMahon then relented and announced Hart as guest host for next week. Really good segment, but I don’t know if Shawn was legitimately convincing enough to be the impetus for Vince to change his mind. Cole did insinuate that McMahon must have something in mind for Bret next week.

-Josh Mathews was backstage and joined by John Cena. Mathews asked if Cena had an emotional and psychological advantage over Cena at this point. Before Cena could answer, Sheamus attacked him from behind until refs broke it up. Oh, I miss agents breaking that stuff up.

[Commercial Break]

-The Bellas were backstage looking at the Timbaland CD when Eve and Gail walked by in mid-conversation. Timbaland and MVP were talking about music when Kofi Kingston walked up and started talking to Timbaland, thanking him for giving him an opportunity for a U.S. Title shot. MVP said he held that title once, then Miz walked up and said Kingston will never get the title. Miz told Gail that she could never keep up with Maryse. Kim looked disgusted. Timbaland said if Kofi wins, he’s pushing up the start time for the U.S. Title match….to tonight. Everyone in the office started mocking Miz for his “really?” quote. Even Cole was grooving to it at ringside.

-Cole and Lawler talked about Bret Hart returning to Raw for the first time in 12 years. They showed Cena putting Sheamus through a table from the opening segment, then the Sheamus attack moments ago.

-Another plug for Sheamus vs. Cena.

(4) The Miz vs. Kofi Kingston
Miz aggressively went after Kofi, stomping him in the corner. Corner clothesline by the Mizard of Oz. To the top, but Kingston caught him with Trouble in Paradise as Miz came down. Win!

Winner: Kingston, at :51.

The ref checked on Miz as Kingston was ready for their U.S. Title match. It’s next.

[Commercial Break]

(5) The Miz vs. Kofi Kingston- United States Championship Match
Match was joined in progress out of break with Kingston hitting a flying body-press for two. S.O.S also got two. Impactful Russian leg-sweep by Kingston, who successfully landed the Boom Drop (with a twist). He set up for the Trouble in Paradise, and connected. Cole proclaimed Kingston would win, so you knew he wouldn’t. As he went for the pin, Randy Orton came out, pulling Kingston out of the ring. He ended up hitting the RKO on Kofi on the outside.

Winner: Kingston, via DQ, 1:29 shown. Sucks that we barely got two minutes in two matches between these two, but good to see Kofi’s feud with Orton is still alive and well.

-Still to come tonight, Sheamus faces John Cena for the WWE Title.

[Commercial Break]

-Josh Mathews caught up with Orton backstage. He said the situation with Kingston ends next week and that he can’t think of a better way to kick off the new year than kicking someone in the skull.

-DX came out for their tag match and Hunter complimented the crowd and did the usual mic work. Triple H made jokes about Big Show’s break-up with Jericho. After the payoff, Jericho was shown walking throught the crowd and taking a seat at ringside, next to the attractive blond they had the camera on in the opening. There’s a match next.

[Commercial Break]

(6) Degeneration X vs. The Big Show & Chavo Guerrero
I think this is an indictment of the Raw roster more than anything else, if he would choose Chavo. He should know not to do that based on Chavo’s history with DX’s new mascot. Chavo tried a Three Amigos, but didn’t get very far. Dropkick on Triple H, then he worked The Game over in the corner. Big clothesline by Hunter, then a tag to Shawn. Show interfered and Chavo hit a spinning heel kick for two. Show tagged in and walked over Shawn. Chavo came in and flipped over the top rope, but Shawn got his knees up. Hot tag made to Hunter- Show side-stepped a splash, and Hunter landed a spinebuter on Chavo. Show teeter-tottered, but he wouldn’t fall down, as Show speared Hunter. Chavo tagged in and he stood on Show’s shoulders for a frogsplash. It missed and Shawn pulled Show over the top rope. Hornswoggle entered the ring and Pedigreed Chavo. Well, tried to, but Chavo back-dropped him. Hunter ended up hitting the Pedigree once he turned around though.

Winners: DX, at 4:55. Fine match, with Show and Chavo not being a real threat to win. Actually, they really should have Show find a successful partner, so Jericho can be even more sore about the break-up.

After the match, Jericho jumped the railing to check on Big Show. He angrily flipped the steel steps and yelled at DX. He got onto the apron, where Michaels superkicked him. Triple H promised to give Jericho a real re-match next week if Jericho promised to stay off Raw forever and not keep trying to get back on. Well really, it’s only been one week.

-Cole and Lawler talked about the WWE Title situation, and they replayed Sheamus going through a table and Cena being attacked earlier in the evening. Both men were walking backstage in a split-screen. The match is next.


[Commercial Break]

-The announcers talked about next week’s lineup: Kofi Kingston vs. Randy Orton, DX vs. Chris Jericho & Big Show in a Unified Tag Title Match; plus, Bret Hart as guest host.

-Justin Roberts introduced Timbaland as the guest ring announcer for this match. He came out with the Divas wearing a John Cena hat and t-shirt. He asked the fans if they were up for the Raw-est match of the night. I think he forgot a line or two and went right to bringing out his man, John Cena.

(7) John Cena vs. Sheamus- WWE Championship Match
The two went at it toe-to-toe soon after the bell rang. Cena tried a bulldog, but Sheamus shoved him off. Lot of clubberin’ going on by Sheamus. Sheamus missed what appeared to be a Polish Hammer, and Cena made his comeback. Five-Knuckle Shuffle by Cena, but Sheamus grabbed the ropes on the Attitude Adjustment attempt. Sheamus pulled the ref down as he was in Cena’s finisher and the ref called for the bell.

Winner: Cena, via DQ, at 2:18. This is really dumb, because now they’ve exposed how heels can get away with retaining titles, reinforcing it here after DX did it a few weeks ago. It also makes refs look dumb for being gullible enough to play right into the hands of the heels. It shouldn’t be an “automatic” DQ, as Cole noted it apparently is now.

After the match, Cena ran Sheamus down and sent him back to the ring, but Sheamus put Cena down with the Pump Kick, shades of Steve Blackman! Fans chanted for Cena, but Sheamus gave him another one. Sheamus held the title high over his head saying, “Raw belongs to me!” as they went off the air.
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Michael Cole: "Ladies and gentlemen, Sheamus said the last image of 2009 would be him standing over John Cena holding the WWE Title. That is indeed the case."

Except it wasn't because they faded out when Sheamus was already beneath the Titan Tron. But why quibble over reality when Cole has a story to sell?

Cena is looking pretty orange these days, brother!

I thought this RAW was pretty awesome. Best RAW in many, many weeks.

Even DX didn't annoy me this week. The Hornswoggle crap was kept to a minimum while HBK went on his far more interesting crusade to get that WrestleMania rematch with Undertaker.

In fact, there was very little crap at all. Everyone seemed to be focused on wrestling-related issues like trying to get title shots.

Reigniting Orton vs. Kofi was fantastic. The card for 1/4/10 is loaded. Honestly, curiosity factor about Hogan aside, I don't think TNA has anything that can equal DX vs. JeriShow, Orton vs. Kingston, the follow up to the heat Sheamus vs. Cena just earned, and BRET HART.

Mr. McMahon cut his best promo in years. It's great to see Vince with a purpose he can sink his teeth into instead of parading out for pointless promos and eating up TV time on trivial matters. Bret Hart is coming!

Only good things will happen.

Only good things will happen.

Only good things will happen.
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I can't be the only one who laughed at the unintentional irony of HHH making gay jokes *right* before launching into "Let's get ready to suck it," can I?
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    Michaels said Vince doesn’t have many open chapters left in his life, so maybe he should bring some closure to this one.


This metaphor killed me. HBK tells Vince to talk to Bret so he'll have a shorter life? Vince needs to have open issues with everyone so he can live forever!



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So Shawn has to win the Royal Rumble to challenge Undertaker? for the streak, the belt, the Wrestlemania main event, and all remaining marbles? Ooh.

They need something to balance it if the other title match is HHH/Sheamus.

Then fill it out with Cena vs. Batista, Bret vs. Vince, Edge & Christian vs. Jerishow, and Orton vs. uhhh Teddy?
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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    So Shawn has to win the Royal Rumble to challenge Undertaker? for the streak, the belt, the Wrestlemania main event, and all remaining marbles? Ooh.

    They need something to balance it if the other title match is HHH/Sheamus.

    Then fill it out with Cena vs. Batista, Bret vs. Vince, Edge & Christian vs. Jerishow, and Orton vs. uhhh Teddy?


Is this Bret thing actually going to lead to him in the ring? I was under the impression he was in no condition whatsoever to even come close to anything remotely related to wrestling or even fighting.
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Please, Randy! Don't kick me out of the worst faction in wrestling. I'll job harder, I promise!

I figured out who shamus looks like... James hetfield.

Good raw, I haven't looked forward to a wwe show in a really long time. I can't wait to see what will happen with Bret. They can't screw that up, can they?
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    Originally posted by Hokienautic
      Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      So Shawn has to win the Royal Rumble to challenge Undertaker? for the streak, the belt, the Wrestlemania main event, and all remaining marbles? Ooh.

      They need something to balance it if the other title match is HHH/Sheamus.

      Then fill it out with Cena vs. Batista, Bret vs. Vince, Edge & Christian vs. Jerishow, and Orton vs. uhhh Teddy?


    Is this Bret thing actually going to lead to him in the ring? I was under the impression he was in no condition whatsoever to even come close to anything remotely related to wrestling or even fighting.


Vince really wants the match but I don't know if Bret is actually on board. He can't come close to anything remotely related to wrestling but I guess the hope is he would punch Vince around for a bit and take no bumps.
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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by Hokienautic
        Originally posted by JustinShapiro
        So Shawn has to win the Royal Rumble to challenge Undertaker? for the streak, the belt, the Wrestlemania main event, and all remaining marbles? Ooh.

        They need something to balance it if the other title match is HHH/Sheamus.

        Then fill it out with Cena vs. Batista, Bret vs. Vince, Edge & Christian vs. Jerishow, and Orton vs. uhhh Teddy?


      Is this Bret thing actually going to lead to him in the ring? I was under the impression he was in no condition whatsoever to even come close to anything remotely related to wrestling or even fighting.


    Vince really wants the match but I don't know if Bret is actually on board. He can't come close to anything remotely related to wrestling but I guess the hope is he would punch Vince around for a bit and take no bumps.


That'd be okay, I guess, but doing this whole thing by proxy is probably a smarter move anyhow. Especially since it means not only a much better match quality by default, but it also stands a reasonable chance of getting someone else over. The Hart Dynasty really needs some kind of push to get on its way, and this program could give them some help by (hopefully, very hopefully) giving them wins over Bret's hated rivals DX and Vince McMahon.
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$20 says Bret screws HBK out of the titles and helping out his buddy jericho. Also, the last image of the first Raw of the new decade willbe Bret making himself permanent Raw GM.
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    Originally posted by JimBob Skeeter
    $20 says Bret screws HBK out of the titles and helping out his buddy jericho. Also, the last image of the first Raw of the new decade willbe Bret making himself permanent Raw GM.


The WWE really gotta do something with some serious legs here. It just wouldn't make sense to have Hart's triumphant return to the WWE be a one-off -- and Hart might have his own personal reasons for not wanting to have a new generation of wrestling fans view him as the bitter, can't-let-go-of-the-past heel to HBK / VKM / HHH.

You could make a good argument that Hart's return to the WWE is the most potentially-compelling story angle since the WCW invasion. If the WWE handles it right, this could be some GREAT television.



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Hopefully someone has enough foresight to bring a pile of dog feces for Mr. Hart to roll around in.
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    Originally posted by geemoney
    Maryse pulled Kelly off the second rope by her arm. DDT by Maryse, then the Hottest. Pin. Ever. For the pin.


Thanks to a poster at DVDVR for finding this at WWE.com:

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Bret vs. Vince is the last angle I never thought I would see. But I wonder if it is a few years too late. As they continued to say last night, it has been 12 years since Bret was on Raw. I know they have rehashed the storyline over the years, even this year, but is the current fanbase as interested in this as some of us long time fans? Many of the current fans were born AFTER Montreal. Think about that and feel old. To me it's cool, but is this something that can carry the company through WrestleMania in 2009-10?

This whole Taker-Shawn rematch is odd. I would rather see it at the Rumble PPV, so we might think Shawn has a chance of winning. Otherwise, why do the rematch at Mania when the only knock on this year's match was that we all knew Taker was winning.




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    Originally posted by kentish
    Bret vs. Vince is the last angle I never thought I would see. but is this something that can carry the company through WrestleMania in 2009-10?


Actually, I do. Last night was the first time where I kept switching back to Raw (from the Vikes) to see if Vince was on screen e\yet to see how it played out. I made a POINT to make sure I watched it. How many long-time fans that have went on the way are going to come back to see Bret on WWE tv, just for the same reason we all are: what the hell is going to happen? When is the last time you could say that about WWE?
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    Originally posted by JimBob Skeeter
    Actually, I do. Last night was the first time where I kept switching back to Raw (from the Vikes) to see if Vince was on screen e\yet to see how it played out. I made a POINT to make sure I watched it. How many long-time fans that have went on the way are going to come back to see Bret on WWE tv, just for the same reason we all are: what the hell is going to happen? When is the last time you could say that about WWE?


It's a gamble to hold a long promo during halftime of the game, but it's an important promo for longtime fans. Still, every time I changed the channel from the game, I found people talking. They gotta cut that back and make longer matches.



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The problem doesn't only seem to be the distance in time, but the distance in context.

The meaning of the championship is a lot different than in 1997, and the whole idea that the promoter would have to make sure the champion lost in the ring before he left for another promotion seems kinda absurd today. As does Bret refusing to lose to Shawn, really. Even if you did explain it, I don't think you could make sense of it to someone who's a more recent fan.



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Posting this video since it seems pretty relevant (and entertaining):

Bret Hart returns in the WWE in 2005? (youtube.com)




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I remember EXACTLY where I was and EXACTLY what I was doing when Bret's music hit, and that's something I can't say for pretty much anything in wrestling for years and years and years. Since this is when Bret and Vince were making nice for the DVD, I really thought they might do it. Fooled me.



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.16
I find it kind of mind-boggling that they would bring Bret back for a span of time that apparently doesn't include any shows from Canada, where his return would be front page news and would sell out a freaking stadium in Montreal or Calgary.



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