eventhis
Haggis
   
   
   
  
Since: 14.9.07
Since last post: 1504 days
Last activity: 1501 days
|  #1 Posted on 27.7.08 1939.45 | Instant Rating: 5.49 | The top 25 finishing moves, as compiled by WWE.com:
http://www.wwe.com/inside/top25/top25finishingmoves/
A few thoughts...
1. I call foul on the inclusion of the Van Terminator, as I don't recall RVD ever using that as a finishing move. Even in ECW, unless I'm mistaken, the 5-Star Frogsplash was always his finisher.
2. The Twist of Fate doesn't belong on any top 25 list. The DDT, as performed by Jake Roberts, does.
3. Nice to see some love for Total Elimination & the Rude Awakening. Both of those moves always looked like they killed the opponent DEAD.
4. I'm surprised, with WWE's love for "big man" wrestlers, that two moves most associates with said wrestlers - the powerbomb & the chokeslam - aren't on the list.
5. They mention that Triple H used to perform the pedigree differently than he does now. I never noticed any difference -- Is there a different way to execute that move?
(edited by eventhis on 27.7.08 1942)| Promote this thread! |           | ironcladlou
Potato korv
 
Since: 2.1.02
From: Quincy, MA
Since last post: 1748 days
Last activity: 1600 days
| #2 Posted on 27.7.08 2037.36 | Instant Rating: 2.98 | I think I remember RVD finishing at least one PPV match with the Van Terminator...the time when he debuted it, against Scotty Riggs? Am I fabricating memories here?
As far as HHH goes, maybe they're referring to the fact that he sets it up with a kick to the gut now.
I'm a little surprised the Vertebreaker isn't on the list. That's a killer move.
| "I could drown the pain, and drink upon commuter trains, and here you stand in eastern standard time"
- Mike Doughty
|
| Tenken347
Andouille
Since: 27.2.03
From: Parts Unknown
Since last post: 2 days
Last activity: 15 hours
| #3 Posted on 27.7.08 2109.11 | Instant Rating: 5.03 | Originally posted by ironcladlou
I think I remember RVD finishing at least one PPV match with the Van Terminator...the time when he debuted it, against Scotty Riggs? Am I fabricating memories here?
I'm not positive it was against Riggs, but he definitely used it as the finisher at one of the ECW pay per views. Styles was hyping it up the whole night, saying RVD had promised he was going to debut a devastating new finishing move. | djp
Morcilla
Since: 16.2.07
From: 3rd Floor, NW window
Since last post: 79 days
Last activity: 25 days
| #4 Posted on 27.7.08 2159.35 | Instant Rating: 5.28 | The Statisfaction? WTF?
I liked the LOD's finisher myself (the Doomsday?). *NOBODY* got up from that one. | Big Bad
Scrapple
Since: 4.1.02
From: Dorchester, Ontario
Since last post: 1 day
Last activity: 5 hours
|  #5 Posted on 27.7.08 2240.39 | Instant Rating: 5.12 | I'm surprised persona non grata Randy Savage made the list, though the entry was still filled with little digs.
“How is it that I am a good actor? What I do is I... pretend to be the person I’m portraying. You’re confused. Case in point: in Lord of the Rings, Peter Jackson comes to me and says ‘I would like you to be Gandalf the Wizard,’ and I said ‘You are aware that I am not really a wizard?’ and Peter Jackson said ‘I would like you to use your acting skills to portray a wizard for the duration of the show.’ So I said ‘Okay’ and then I said to myself ‘Mmm.. How do I do that?’ And this is what I did: I imagined that I was a wizard, and then I pretended, and acted, in that way on the stage. How did I know what to say? The words were written down for me in a script. How did I know where to stand? People told me where to stand." -- Sir Ian McKellen, Extras | supersalvadoran
Landjager
Since: 10.1.08
From: westbury, new york
Since last post: 12 days
Last activity: 22 hours
| #6 Posted on 27.7.08 2322.47 | Instant Rating: 2.55 | I'm not surprised that the Stone Cold Stunner was #1. What I am surprised about is that the Walls of Jericho wasn't even included in the list and that HBK's Sweet Chin Music was only ranked 7th (I consider it one of the top 3 finishers of all time).
I would, based on the move's popularity and/or how devesating they looked in defeating the opponent, had put Hogan's leg drop, the Angle lock, and the Crippler Crossface into the list. But for various yet obvious reasons, none of those three are going to be mentioned in the WWE anytime soon. | Kevintripod
Andouille
Since: 11.5.03
From: Mount Pleasant, Pa.
Since last post: 11 hours
Last activity: 11 hours
| AIM: |  |
| | |
| #7 Posted on 27.7.08 2343.43 | Instant Rating: 3.63 | I would have had Victoria's "Widows Peak" over "Stratusfaction".
Even though I would never expect it to be on the list, I personally would have included Kevin Thorn's "Dark Kiss".
The best part of waking up, is not Folgers in your cup, but knowing that Chuck Norris didn't kill you in your sleep. | Super Shane Spear
Bierwurst
Since: 2.1.02
From: Sector 7 Slums
Since last post: 1075 days
Last activity: 1075 days
| #8 Posted on 28.7.08 0039.40 | Instant Rating: 5.99 | Wait, didn't Shane McMahon invent the Van Terminator?!?
The Ankle Lock should've got in, even if you have to say it was on Ken Shamrock's watch. | Mr Heel II
Bratwurst
Since: 25.2.02
Since last post: 7 days
Last activity: 18 hours
| #9 Posted on 28.7.08 0109.37 | Instant Rating: 2.50 | Originally posted by eventhis
The Twist of Fate doesn't belong on any top 25 list. The DDT, as performed by Jake Roberts, does.
My first thought on reading the thread title was "What number did the DDT come in at?" So yeah, I'm surprised it isn't in there.
I might have thrown in Baron Von Raschke's Claw over Mankind's Mandible Claw, but I don't remember the Baron ever having a WWF stint. | The Guinness.
Bockwurst
Since: 24.4.05
From: San Diego, CA
Since last post: 8 days
Last activity: 14 hours
| AIM: |  |
| | |
| #10 Posted on 28.7.08 0125.43 | Instant Rating: 4.54 | Where is the Jackhammer? Number 26? I mean c'mon Macho Man made the list. Why not just a smidgen of love for Goldberg?
Loved the pic of Rick Rude. Whenever I think of him in that persona, he's wearing those tights. Great finisher too.
| Lexus
Lap cheong
Since: 2.1.02
From: Stafford, VA
Since last post: 3 days
Last activity: 6 hours
| AIM: |  |
| | |
| #11 Posted on 28.7.08 0250.58 | Instant Rating: 4.13 | ...the figure 4?
Seriously, I have more memories of opponents countering or grabbing the ropes than tapping out to it. Most of Flair's victories were done by cheating, hence the Dirtiest Player in the Game.
Liked no1. It was befitting.
Where's the love for the 3D or the Doomsday Device? Those moves would KO anybody who was caught in them, even the announcers would get worried.
Never knew the Pedigree evolved.
(edited by Lexus on 28.7.08 0355)
"Laugh and the world laughs with you. Frown and the world laughs at you."
-Me. | Spaceman Spiff
Banger
Since: 2.1.02
From: Philly Suburbs
Since last post: 23 days
Last activity: 6 hours
| AIM: |  |
| | |
| #12 Posted on 28.7.08 0734.44 | Instant Rating: 4.05 | Originally posted by ironcladlou
I'm a little surprised the Vertebreaker isn't on the list. That's a killer move.
This.
Also, no love for the Diamond Cutter? The RKO and Twist of Fate both made the list, and they are both inferior knock-offs. They even say the RKO can be "delivered at any time", which was a big selling point for the Cutter.
| sentonBOMB
Frankfurter
Since: 25.11.02
From: Jersey
Since last post: 1457 days
Last activity: 158 days
| #13 Posted on 28.7.08 0737.45 | Instant Rating: 5.34 | Having both the RKO and the Twist of Fate on there is stupid. It's the same damn move, people, only Matt Hardy sets it up in a retarded way.
Dug the love for the perfect-plex and the sharpshooter, two of my favorite moves from when I started really getting into wrestling in the early '90s. | redsoxnation
Scrapple
Since: 24.7.02
Since last post: 1 day
Last activity: 7 hours
| #14 Posted on 28.7.08 0908.23 | Instant Rating: 5.48 | Originally posted by Mr Heel II
Originally posted by eventhis
The Twist of Fate doesn't belong on any top 25 list. The DDT, as performed by Jake Roberts, does.
My first thought on reading the thread title was "What number did the DDT come in at?" So yeah, I'm surprised it isn't in there.
I might have thrown in Baron Von Raschke's Claw over Mankind's Mandible Claw, but I don't remember the Baron ever having a WWF stint.
Baron did have a managing stint for the Powers of Pain when Vince was taking everyone from the AWA in his attempt to destroy the Team Challenge Series. | JimBob Skeeter
Liverwurst
Since: 2.1.02
From: MN
Since last post: 1 day
Last activity: 19 hours
| #15 Posted on 28.7.08 0919.49 | Instant Rating: 6.24 | That's Jake Roberst wife on Rude's tights, right? I LOVED that feud.
Also, kudo's for having the Perfect plex on there that high up. | Skarecrow
Polska kielbasa
Since: 5.5.05
From: Maryland
Since last post: 1643 days
Last activity: 1606 days
| #16 Posted on 28.7.08 0920.19 | Instant Rating: 2.74 | How the hell did the FU make the list but the F5 didn't?
We get a chickenwing, but no masterlock full nelson?
I'd forgotten things like the cobra clutch/million dollar dream, nice to include stuff like that.
Evil Inside =X= | Whattaburger
Boerewors
Since: 18.5.04
From: Badstreet USA
Since last post: 67 days
Last activity: 66 days
| #17 Posted on 28.7.08 1423.23 | Instant Rating: 1.33 | Originally posted by Big Bad
I'm surprised persona non grata Randy Savage made the list, though the entry was still filled with little digs.
Originally posted by The Guinness.
Where is the Jackhammer? Number 26? I mean c'mon Macho Man made the list. Why not just a smidgen of love for Goldberg?
Randy Savage is NOT "persona non grata" to the WWE, and I think it's about time that notion was dropped.
So what if they dig at his album, a lot of people have. That's an old and obvious joke to make. The WWE has never discredited Savage's ability or his contributions to the WWF/E. They may not talk about him/them, but it's not like they treat him like he's the plague and/or completely avoid any reference to him and/or make it obvious they are going out of their way to ignore/exclude him as they are doing with Chris Benoit (for example, differences notwithstanding).
Randy Savage has been featured numerous times in clips on DVDs and WWE TV in what is generally a neutral light (a shot of him spinning, then HBK spinning has been shown tons of times on intro compilations). He's been featured on the Web site as recently as last month with their graphic of him with the IC title for the IC Title DVD they are putting together. His matches are often showcased on WWE 24/7 Online, with WWE 24/7 Online-exclusive programs giving his reigns as champion ample time, credit and praise.
Even his brother, The Genius, said Savage isn't very much interested in doing anything wrestling-related. He said Savage wouldn't be opposed to a deal if one came up, but he wasn't actively searching either. If Savage isn't in WWE, it's because of him and McMahon not coming to an agreement, not because of "heat." I have no reason to believe otherwise, and the wrestling community shouldn't either. That's especially true when you consider that pro wrestlers are like high schoolers in that they love, love, love gossip and BS. If any of those rumors about Savage were true, it certainly would have been brought up by now by individuals who enjoy stirring that sort of thing up in (shoot) interviews.
Plus, where's good ol' Meltzer when it comes to Savage? Isn't he the scoop-machine with all the facts and inside info about all the juicy details and know-how about everything ever in wrestling? I'll admit my ignorance if he's said something about it, but I haven't heard anything other than "McMahon gets annoyed when Savage's name is brought up." That's it.
As far as Goldberg (in comparison to Savage), the Elbow Drop was for it's time innovative and very cool watch. At the time, who else was diving off the top with such fanfare and significance other than Superfly Snuka and Dynamite Kid? Jesse Ventura even noted how that was THE move of the time. With goldberg, there were much more devastating moves being done elsewhere that outshined his suplex.
Did I miss Hogan's Leg Drop on that list?
Of course, like all their lists, WWE's stuff is relative, and perhaps subjective, to their current time and audience.
This is all serious business. | Quezzy
Knackwurst
Since: 6.1.02
From: The Moon
Since last post: 10 days
Last activity: 7 hours
| AIM: |  |
| | |
| #18 Posted on 28.7.08 1444.33 | Instant Rating: 3.86 | I agree with most of the people here. The top 10 is pretty well done except Hogan's Leg Drop and Jake Roberts DDT should be in there. And you could even make it the DDT for Roberts and Raven to make it even better.
I like Total Elimination alright but I think the 3D would obviously be in there if the tag team were not currently in TNA, same for the Ankle Lock.
I'd definitely throw in the Crippler Crossface, put the Widow's Peak over Stratusfaction, Mysterio's huracarana I'd put over some of those last few. Obviously the WWE would never include it but I like the Styles Clash enough to be in there too. Another personal choice of mine would be the Bonzai Drop. Yokozuna was one of the few monster heels to face Hogan/Undertaker that I actually liked.
Also, I know it may be blasphemy to some but I'd put the Sharpshooter over the Figure Four. I know a lot of people think Flair is the greatest of all-time but the Sharpshooter was simultaneously used by Bret Hart AND Sting, then later Owen and later The Rock.
Lance's Response:
THAT IS AWESOME! | JustinShapiro
Scrapple
Moderator
Since: 12.12.01
From: Pittsburgh, PA
Since last post: 12 hours
Last activity: 6 hours
| #19 Posted on 28.7.08 1509.11 | Instant Rating: 7.70 | Meltzer, the scoop-machine with all the facts and inside info about all the juicy details and know-how about everything ever in wrestling, has reported that Vince personally nixed the Randy Savage DVD after it was in the planning stages and has personally nixed him as a Hall of Fame candidate. When Michael Hayes pitched an idea for a Savage return, Vince was quoted by a member of the writing team as saying, "I do not want to do business with that man."
All that Meltzer, TSMWATFAIIAATJDAKHAEEIW, has said about the Illicit, Illicit Savage Rumors when asked is that he has no idea and that it's a subject people in the company shy away from talking about. He says that whatever the case, the higher-ups in the company think that Savage is legit crazy (and his behavior from his brief TNA run don't really contradict that).
I'd say Randy Savage is relatively "persona non grata" to the WWE, and I don't think there's any reason to drop that notion. I'm as big a proponent of "pro wrestlers are like high schoolers in that they love, love, love gossip and BS" as anybody and rolling my eyes at message board triteness. But there's a difference between "LITA IS A SHOOT WHORE, I HEARD SOME CRAZY STORIES" and the Savage thing, where there is clearly some kind of issue there when they have tried to bring back every star and near-star from the last thirty years, including major enemies of the state like Ole Anderson and the Ultimate Warrior, but the second biggest star of the '80s is a non-starter.
Back on thread topic: I can't believe that some fake move was rated higher than some other fake move. No one ever kicked out of the first fake move. | 2P4E
Boerewors
Since: 4.1.05
From: SE12, London, UK.
Since last post: 10 days
Last activity: 42 min.
|  #20 Posted on 28.7.08 1540.05 | Instant Rating: 5.24 | Originally posted by JustinShapiro
TSMWATFAIIAATJDAKHAEEIW
Gesundheit | | Pages: 1 2 Next
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
Thread rated: 4.82