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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
This show is like the rat maze, except no jump to the future where it all makes sense. I'm pretty sure the brain hemorrhage is coming.

Memory loss via excessive radiation to the head?

This was a nice enough one off episode that I don't really mind that nothing much was advanced (though some was confirmed.)



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"Listen: Billy Pilgrim has become unstuck in time ... "



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.91
I always find Desmond episodes interesting.

So, I'm guessing that Claire freaks out later and that is how Kate ends up with the baby.

What happens to future Desmond when he is tripping out?

Edit: Did Desmond ever say 'brotha' in this episode?


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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.34
I think this further proves my theory that the Flashbacks all along have not only been a story-telling device but that the characters consciousnesses are actually traveling through time back to the moment they are remembering.

1) The first time Desmond is unstuck is right after he turns the failsafe, when he has one giant flashback that lasts until he suffers head trauma. Because of the hatch-release, Desmond is the first and only person who is able to consciously affect what is occuring in his flashback. Everyone else's are passive.

2) Early in Season 3, when Jack is in the bear cage, right after a flashback where he's about to bang Bai Ling, he wakes up to see the citizen Others, led by flight attendant Cindy, who says they are there to watch. What were they watching? Jack's borderline-porno flashback.

3) Charlie's greatest hits at the end of last season. All of his flashbacks were specific memories.

I find it most interesting, with regards to Charlie, that his flashbacks were specific, and then followed by the first flashforward. I have a feeling that Jack and co. are experiencing the flash forwards in the same way, but they don't know it yet. I can only wonder if they will figure out what is happening in time to change it, if it can indeed be changed.

As for this episode, I like the fleshing out of the Faraday character somewhat. I'm surprised we got our first Desmond-Penny contact so soon. I'm still afraid he'll die shortly. Still, this was an awesome episode.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.67
So how come Penny goes from hating Desmond and wants him completely out of her life, to suddenly being absolutely thrilled he calls her 8 years later and then does everything in her power to find him ?



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
    Originally posted by Kevintripod
    So how come Penny goes from hating Desmond and wants him completely out of her life, to suddenly being absolutely thrilled he calls her 8 years later and then does everything in her power to find him ?


well she tells him she knows about the island. Her father bought the book that likely had stuff about the island in it. For whatever reason when he got lost, she either already had read some of the book or did after that.

I think her father has a larger role to play in all this than we know so far.
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.12
    Originally posted by wmatistic
      Originally posted by Kevintripod
      So how come Penny goes from hating Desmond and wants him completely out of her life, to suddenly being absolutely thrilled he calls her 8 years later and then does everything in her power to find him ?


    well she tells him she knows about the island. Her father bought the book that likely had stuff about the island in it. For whatever reason when he got lost, she either already had read some of the book or did after that.

    I think her father has a larger role to play in all this than we know so far.


-Desmond went on the round-the-world boat race to prove his worth to Penny (and her father) so he could marry her. He explained as much to Penny before he left and said he'd be back in a year.
-He disappeared and crashed on the island. Penny began to use her family's money to find him.
-When the hatch blew at the end of season 2, it caused an electromagnetic surge. Folks that Penny paid to monitor that kind of thing found the general area of the island. No idea yet WHY she was paying them to monitor that kind of thing.
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.71
Quick bullets, because like John Locke watching Orientation, I need to see this again.

- I'm not fully buying the heel turn they're trying to sell us on CS Lewis, frankly because they're selling it way too hard. If Juliet, probably the most unlikeable character on this show is being contrasted with her, I'm with Aslan.

- Either Des96 forgets his time jumping abilities at some point, or he believes way too much in fate. He managed to rekindle his relationship with Penny and lucked into the boat that would crash onto the island. I would say that he crashed the plane that would eventually get him rescued, but Naomi et al may have found him without 815.

- So if some things are displaced by hours, days, or years, did a polar bear get displaced millions of years to Pangaea?

- My favorite theory running right now is that Miles is Dr. Candle. This episode only serves to back that idea up, along with a video of Dr. Candle's "outtakes" where he seems to have the same impatience and attitude.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.19
So as that calendar indicated, it's Xmas Eve 2004 on the Island and the Freighter, and also Xmas Eve 2004 in the real world. This blows a big hole in the theory that time moves at a different pace on the island. However, there DOES seem to be some kind of time displacement (a limbo?) in that cloud surrounding the island that the helicopter flew through. My head just exploded.

Mr. Widmore pays 380,000 pounds for getting information about the Black Rock? Interesting. And finally we have confirmed on the show that has been known for a while through the online game and the blast door map --- one of Alvar Hanso's ancestors was involved with the Black Rock, and maybe even onboard it when it reached the Island. Alvar Hanso, as you remember, funded the Dharma Initiative.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.82
    Originally posted by Super Shane Spear
    I'm not fully buying the heel turn they're trying to sell us on CS Lewis, frankly because they're selling it way too hard. If Juliet, probably the most unlikeable character on this show is being contrasted with her, I'm with Aslan.
I don't find Juliet unlikeable at all - to me, she's the Anti-Kate. Everything is reasoned, nothing impetuous, and if she's asking questions and challenging someone, there is a damn good reason for it.

Big Bad, I was almost positive I heard "Alvar Hanso" mentioned at that auction, and was just waiting for someone else to say something about it before I opened my trap. I expected Penny's dad to show up on the boat, and have also believed that he has an iron in this fire. I think the two biggest moments of the show were Demond and Penny talking, and Charles Widmore buying the journal.

I keep telling myself that after everything is said and done in Season Six, Ben Linus will indeed have been the good guy all along. He was conspicuously absent.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.30
    Originally posted by Freeway
    No idea yet WHY she was paying them to monitor that kind of thing.


We also have yet to learn why Des was in jail. It was there that his letters to Penny were intercepted by her dad. While in jail, Des did not read the Penny letter stuck inside his Dickens novel. He only learned of her feelings for him when he read the book in the hatch.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.86
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      Originally posted by Freeway
      No idea yet WHY she was paying them to monitor that kind of thing.


    We also have yet to learn why Des was in jail. It was there that his letters to Penny were intercepted by her dad. While in jail, Des did not read the Penny letter stuck inside his Dickens novel. He only learned of her feelings for him when he read the book in the hatch.

I want to re-watch the episode again before I comment on it as a whole (and I'll definitely be watching next week's "pop-up version" of the replay), but as of now, I'm concluding that Des was jailed because he basically went AWOL when he went to find Faraday.
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
    Originally posted by Mr Shh
      Originally posted by Matt Tracker
        Originally posted by Freeway
        No idea yet WHY she was paying them to monitor that kind of thing.


      We also have yet to learn why Des was in jail. It was there that his letters to Penny were intercepted by her dad. While in jail, Des did not read the Penny letter stuck inside his Dickens novel. He only learned of her feelings for him when he read the book in the hatch.

    I want to re-watch the episode again before I comment on it as a whole (and I'll definitely be watching next week's "pop-up version" of the replay), but as of now, I'm concluding that Des was jailed because he basically went AWOL when he went to find Faraday.


In an earlier episode, Desmond told someone he was in jail for "not following orders." So his future self caused his past self to go to jail, through the time flashes. THIS BAKES MY FACE



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    Originally posted by Mr Shh
    I want to re-watch the episode again before I comment on it as a whole (and I'll definitely be watching next week's "pop-up version" of the replay), but as of now, I'm concluding that Des was jailed because he basically went AWOL when he went to find Faraday.


He told Penny on the phone that he had two days leave, starting that night. I'm assuming it wouldn't take two days to get from anywhere in Scotland to Oxford via train, so I don't think that was it.

BigDaddyLoco: Desmond called his exercise buddy, Dan04, and Sayid "brotha" during the show.

BigBad: The freighter is in "the real world", it's been shown already that the phones stretch across the time difference between the island and reality. When Dan was on the phone to the freighter in "The Economist" the transmission happened in real time, but the effects of the call took 31:14 to take place.

The reason Daniel is a "headcase" is not because he has amnesia from radiation exposure, but because he's been unstuck in time, though the radiation exposure may have helped him develop a resistance to the brain short circuiting that being unstuck in time leads to.





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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.02
I've been a big proponent of the "Penny's Dad is in on the mystery somehow" theory, and this is a big step there. I also think Sun's dad is in on it, and if they don't at least do a little throwaway "Sun's dad and Penny's dad meet at a bigwig conference of some sort" scene I'll be disappointed, and I'm hoping for a grand conspriracy of rich bastards" plotline.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.11
    Originally posted by MoeGates
    I've been a big proponent of the "Penny's Dad is in on the mystery somehow" theory, and this is a big step there. I also think Sun's dad is in on it, and if they don't at least do a little throwaway "Sun's dad and Penny's dad meet at a bigwig conference of some sort" scene I'll be disappointed, and I'm hoping for a grand conspriracy of rich bastards" plotline.


Or what about Sun's dad, Penny's dad and Jack's dad?

I'm still curious to find out who was Ben's informant on the boat. I was thinking that it might be the George fellow. You know..him skipping through time made him meet Ben somehow. Though I am half hoping to see Michael kinda-implied somewhere in the background at some point.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.00
I think that Penny's dad own Oceanic and is possibly involved with Darma. Sun's dad is also a possible owner of Oceanic but I would be more suprised if he had something to do with Darma.



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