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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.99
Didn't see a thread for this yet.

Well I got the DVD. Best Buy was selling it for $19.99. I think it was $44.99 if you wanted the super deluxe version with the cup, shirt, and pendant.

On one hand the documentary is great. It's two plus hours long. All several discs have a bundle of easily accessible easter eggs (just try clicking left or right on the chapter segments in the menu screen).

It's a great documentary, and it does give the HBK side of Montreal. Here's my problem with it however. It's somewhat contradictory in that the interview subjects say that Michaels was unfairly blamed for what happened, and that he was just doing his job. Even though the DVD movie basically says that HHH and HBK basically came up with it and told it to Vince who was only "thinking it" and they simply voiced it. I do agree that HBK at least fessed up and wanted to make amends, and Bret Hart should maybe just bury the hatchet, and it's a little ridiculous that Bret refused to job to HBK in Montreal.

Looking back the edgy angles that Michaels was a part of even still seem edgy and strong by today's standards before they would be constantly repeated and driven into the ground. Hard to believe that McMahon was really touchy and restrictive over the DX content first looking to how open he himself became with his character not long after.

Hilarious to me how Hulk Hogan forced booking to turn Michaels heel in the feud, and Michaels is basically just like, "Well OK, if that's how you want it." And Hogan of course did not like how Michaels heel character tore him apart in that feud. I think Michaels brief heel run in that feud was great and I wish he stayed that way. We saw shades of it in his feud with Cena where he was still a face but he had some tweenerish/heelish tendencies.

Janetty doesn't look like he's doing too well. He was rather hard to understand. Was he always like that? Unfortunately the documentary doesn't go much into the Jannetty feud outside of the Barber Shop segment, which was shown in full on the first Shawn Michaels DVD.

WWE forces us to watch the disclaimer video on every disc. One disc has an easter egg interview with the Hardyz talking about their backyard wrestling days and using a ladder like HBK. The Hardyz basically trained themselves as backyard wrestlers you know. They did try this at home .

The Monday Night Wars. The DVD suggests it wasn't Michaels fault he wasn't a big draw during his first title run. Instead it says the reason WWE was drawing anything at all was mainly because of Michaels hard work. It's an interesting idea, but you know, Michaels really did start drawing in the audiences with DX when things started turning around for WWF. So maybe there's some credence to that. Eddie Guerrero supposedly wasn't a draw as WWE champion, but ratings and buyrates were usually better while he was champ than they currently are now. Ratings/buyrates didn't go up when JBL became champ. So just something to think about when you talk about such and such guy not drawing or whatever.

2001. It does finally confirm that Michaels came in coked up out of his mind. It was weird because there was always a lot of talk about this years ago and what happened since the talk was that Michaels was returning to the ring for a reunion tour. I figured he was drunk or wasted, something like that. Other people defended HBK saying he just wasn't in ring shape.

OK the drugs. Here's where it's a little scary. It all reminded me of Eddie a little bit. As much as I want to believe Michaels is OK and he's clean, a part of me doubts it.

After everything that happened with Eddie and after he tragically passed, it became clear that no he was not clean, and no he was not OK. So it kind of reminded a little of Eddie's DVD that was made a year before he passed.

So is Michaels really not killing himself after all the crap he's put in his body? Should he still be taking these big bump matches with in the street fights? He's a married man and father of two kids just like Eddie. For everyone's sake, I sincerely hope he really is OK and that he really is clean. Michaels promises he's never taken steroids, can we truly believe this anymore?

The matches - totally excellent. This is where the DVD set really delivers and something TNA fails to do with their DVD's. Here's the thing, I used to really like TNA DVD's because we could get a bunch of awesome matches on them and mostly little bull#@^%$#. Now TNA DVD's have really poorly produced documentaries on them and only a handful of matches that have already been put on DVD many times, or aren't that good. To me I feel one point of wrestling DVD's is to put matches on them you won't find elsewhere, matches that aren't on PPV or you can only buy from dealers on eBay or where ever. I mean you can find these rare matches from tape dealers, but the quality is sometimes UGH.

The match selection for this set is five stars. There a couple others I would've liked on here, but overally, pretty amazing. 10 of the 14 matches have never been put on DVD before. Some are even harder to find on video unless you can get some old Coliseum WWE tapes. We even get the phantom tag title reign match in full.

Bulldog/HBK, from WWF Saturday Night, and HBK's first IC title win. I love getting matches like this on DVD. It's not a 5 star match, but it's a good, very notable match that you want to own on DVD. Also, the video quality on this specific match looks excellent. It was like it went through some amazing restoration. No light shadows or halos, or anything like that. It was almost eerie because it looks like this match happened like a couple weeks ago, not fifteen years.

The AWA matches are also great. Rockers looked really cool back then. Also loved the Brainbusters MSG match. Classic stuff and holds up really well to today's standards. Getting the RAW matches and the IYH matches are also good. Unfortunately, no one's been able to carry Jarrett to a match as good as the one he had with Michaels on that show. We get one of his first matches in 1985 from WCCW. He does the turnbuckle flip that HBK's student, The American Dragon Bryan Danielson, uses today. This was basically the flip Dragon does, before HBK turned it into his patented flip into a crotch and back to his feet. Note that Dragon can do this move in FIRE PRO WRESTLING RETURNS, which is awesome .

I'd say this DVD set is better than the first HBK release, which was still a very good set and the prototype for future releases such as this. I think this DVD is a good example of why TNA needs to step up the quality of their DVD productions.




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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.32
I'm looking forward to the DVDs, mostly because they directly accompany the book. I just read the book about two months ago and the one thing it makes you want to do is watch the matches. He talks about this match and that match and it really brings back memories, so I'm really look forward to the footage itself. Not just the matches but the promos as well.

I remember during the Bret Hart feud when the Hitman was in a wheelchair and challenged HBK: "You don't have the insides to hit me!" and boom, superkick. I didn't understand or know about the actual heat they had back then, so I was hoping the book would shed some light on it, but it did not. Shawn got him pretty good with the kick right on the jaw ... just wondering if that was intentional or not.
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.35
So, in the Russo biography, he states HE came up with the screwjob and presented it to the boss and HBK (if memory serves me correctly) and now HHH and HBK are taking credit for it?

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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.46
the wife gave n this as an early chirstas gift and we loved it. I wish they would have had interviews with Hall, Nash, and Kid. but what can ya do.

I think this DVD realy gives you a sence of his ineer pain.
and gives us more reasions to respect HBK.

I only find a few things wrong with the match list thoe

No Michaels vs Razor Ladder match ( summer slam)

No Michaels vs owen

No Rockers vs Demolition

and no Michales vs martel form Wrestle mania 9

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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.23
I'm glad they didn't use either Ladder Match. Those matches have been on a million DVDs already and Shawn Michaels has way too many good matches to be trotting out the same stuff every time. Same thing goes for the Hell in the Cell match.

In fact, one of the Ladder Matches and the Hell in the Cell are both on the first Shawn Michaels DVD.

A match against Owen would be good although I don't remember one in particular that was good. I do wish they didn't include the Royal Rumble because that just takes up a lot of time.



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    Hilarious to me how Hulk Hogan forced booking to turn Michaels heel in the feud, and Michaels is basically just like, "Well OK, if that's how you want it." And Hogan of course did not like how Michaels heel character tore him apart in that feud.


That's awesome. My favorite Hogan suggestion from that feud was that he wanted Shawn to superkick Nick. That would be a big-time .gif on the ol' internet these days had it happened.


    The Monday Night Wars. The DVD suggests it wasn't Michaels fault he wasn't a big draw during his first title run.


Michaels was a pretty substantial house show draw for most of 1996 after they did the concussion comeback storyline. WWF houses had been in the toilet ever since 1992, and Michaels (as well as moving the belt from Nash to Bret, but Bret left in March) significantly turned attendance around.

But for the first time ever, WWF and WCW were head-to-head, and the champion's success was being evaluated in terms of TV ratings, which were the same as they'd always been but were now put in a lesser light by Nitro's. So he was perceived as the losing quarterback even though he was doing pretty well as champion, especially relative the last four years (temper tantrums and other issues aside -- another parallel to when Eddie Guerrero was champion).

    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    So, in the Russo biography, he states HE came up with the screwjob and presented it to the boss and HBK (if memory serves me correctly) and now HHH and HBK are taking credit for it?




Russo is just a big liar and a mark for Montreal.
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.09
In Michaels' defense re: the TV ratings, he was champion right during the birth of the NWO, when Nitro's ratings went through the roof. It would've been hard for any champion to compete with that angle.

As much as it would've ruled to see HBK have an extended run against Austin/Rock/Angle/early HHH/Foley in the attitude era, that four and a half years totally out of the ring probably saved his life.
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.99
    Originally posted by yamcha
    the wife gave n this as an early chirstas gift and we loved it. I wish they would have had interviews with Hall, Nash, and Kid. but what can ya do.

    I think this DVD realy gives you a sence of his ineer pain.
    and gives us more reasions to respect HBK.

    I only find a few things wrong with the match list thoe

    No Michaels vs Razor Ladder match ( summer slam)

    No Michaels vs owen

    No Rockers vs Demolition

    and no Michales vs martel form Wrestle mania 9




The Wrestlemania X Ladder match was on the first HBK DVD. It was in the DVD special that came with the Wrestlemania 2000 book. And the Wrestlemania anthology DVD set. So that's at least three times it's already been put on DVD. The Summerslam ladder match was in the Ladder Match DVD that came out August of this year. I hate it when matches are constantly recycled like that. So once again, this DVD does a great job of not recycling matches and giving us matches that we've never seen on DVD before and probably wouldn't otherwise since many of them weren't on big shows or PPV's.

Yeah I would've liked Michaels vs. Owen. They had several great matches throughout 1995 and 1996 on RAW and that one Feb. IYH PPV.

I think the Rockers matches we do get on this DVD are pretty awesome. Brainbusters/Rockers man, it's freaking tight.

So basically this DVD works as a good companion piece matchwise to the first HBK DVD. Since that one we got the bloodbath match in AWA, and in this one we get their actual AWA tag team title victory.

One other thing that I suppose could be mentioned in Michaels defense during the Monday Night Wars. There weren't a lot of other big stars in the company during his title run. Bret went away for a while after Wrestlemania. Hall and Nash were gone. 123 Kid was gone. Luger had already left to WCW. The only other really big star they had was the Undertaker. And at the time they did build up Stone Cold Steve Austin which turned out really well for WWE in the long term. So one can argue the seeds of WWF's ultimate victory were already being sown while HBK was champ.

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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.50
Although I've always thought HBK is overrated, he IS a great wrestler. I just don't like how they've always packaged and presented his greatness, I guess. Cases in point:

    Originally posted by The Vile1
    ...HHH and HBK basically came up with it and told it to Vince who was only "thinking it" and they simply voiced it. I do agree that HBK at least fessed up and wanted to make amends, and Bret Hart should maybe just bury the hatchet, and it's a little ridiculous that Bret refused to job to HBK in Montreal.


This isn't a HHHate, but I like how only 2 years in the company and HHH is the one is calling for a veteran (in both the profession and locker room) to go fuck himself. I wonder how that would fly in today's locker room now that the situation is reversed.

Whether Montreal was right or wrong is irrelevant, but I'll always stick to Bret's versions of events because in 10 years, his versions have more/less never changed.

DiBiase's comments kind of pissed me off. DiBiase didn't have his family torn apart and credibility questioned because all his criticisms were seen as just "grinding an ax with Vince."

Secondly and as opposed to what is claimed on the doc and WWEspeak, Bret has always said he didn't care about whether it was in Montreal, but that it was about not giving the benefit to HBK as a specific wrestler because HBK allegedly told Bret he wouldn't do the same for him earlier in the year. And seriously, I don't get it. They tout the guy's ability to be as hardcore as it comes in terms of performing and wanting to perform and even with a broken back, but can't drop the belt to Bret due to a knee injury? One he comes back from 3 months later? The same kind of injury he was reportedly wrestling on for a year earlier this year? And then there's the big flub HHH makes when he says Bret was out of contract the following day when he still had 3 weeks left.

    Originally posted by The Vile1
    Looking back the edgy angles that Michaels was a part of even still seem edgy and strong by today's standards before they would be constantly repeated and driven into the ground.


Here HBK says he was innovative in the edgy, shoot-style stuff. Seven years ago with RF, he criticized ECW and Shane Douglas in particular for it and saying it was lame and cheap.

    Originally posted by The Vile1
    Hilarious to me how Hulk Hogan forced booking to turn Michaels heel in the feud, and Michaels is basically just like, "Well OK, if that's how you want it." And Hogan of course did not like how Michaels heel character tore him apart in that feud.


And forcing him to turn obviously was the right idea and made for a better build up, wasn't it? Or do we only credit Hogan for the blunders? Hypothetically, if the whole Hogan/HBK team up was to ULTIMATELY have HBK over Hogan, than whose ego was it about? At least in terms of the way it was presented in the doc as DiBiase says. I don't think HBK needs anymore credibility to put younger guys over if he's as good as people claim. I'm in the minority, but I feel the WWE owes Hogan more than they could give him, because as has been stated millions of times, wrestling and that company SPECIFICALLY wouldn't be what it is without him. Hogan over HBK was fine by me and HBK not getting it back is deserved considering how he foolishly and sold Hogan's offense. Someone should spin around for three minutes before falling next time they get Superkicked.

I'm not trying to be snarky with anything I say, and if someone has better info, correct me -- but no matter what is said about the "new" God-fearing, morally-conscious HBK, it's productions like these that make me think it's the greatest work of all.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.67
    Originally posted by Whattaburger
    Secondly and as opposed to what is claimed on the doc and WWEspeak, Bret has always said he didn't care about whether it was in Montreal, but that it was about not giving the benefit to HBK as a specific wrestler because HBK allegedly told Bret he wouldn't do the same for him earlier in the year.


Not just earlier that year. Earlier that week. Vince's last suggestion before deciding to doublecross Bret was that Bret would beat Shawn in Montreal and then Shawn would beat Bret in Springfield at the December PPV in another singles match (previously it was going to be a fourway with Undertaker and Shamrock, so Bret wouldn't directly lose to Shawn). Bret agreed, Shawn agreed, but Hunter told Shawn he shouldn't lose to Bret, and so Shawn changed his mind.

From there, once again Vince had no finish. He asked Bret what he wanted to do, and Bret suggested he just vacate the title and give a farewell speech. Vince agreed, because he'd already decided that he was going to screw Bret. Like you said, Vince and Shawn have been full of shit and change their story on DVD after DVD, while Bret's story has stayed the same over the years and is born out by the taped conversation he had with Vince the day of SurSer.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.42
I didn't look at Montreal like that. I saw it more as Vince wondering what to do because his champion didn't want to lose and simply hand over the belt on Raw the next night. The challenger and his future son-in-law simply stated "fuck it", the belt needs to switch regardless. Never have I heard that HBK came up with the idea of the screwjob nor have I heard HHH mastermind it.

Ted Dibiase is correct in his comments IMO. I love Bret Hart and enjoy his matches to this day but he certainly needs to let that shit go. Ted's family may have not been torn up due to the business but I do believe his father died in the ring performing. Plus I find it a complete cop out that the Hart family is going to blame all the bad stuff to happen to them since Montreal. Owen, while tragic, didn't occur because of Montreal. Bret's stroke, again, really crappy, didn't happen because of Montreal. that happened because he got his head kicked off by Goldberg so bitch and complain about him instead.

The hip, edgy stuff, I really have no comment on. I didn't get into internet stuff until Montreal.

The Hogan angle I really enjoyed. I liked how HBK was dickish and the Larry King skit was freaking awesome! I can see how he'd destroy Hogan in that because HBK was a great heel and can do it anytime, twice on Sunday. Again, I think it was Hogan's ego that got in the way of a great babyface match but that was really null and void the way it came down anyways.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.67
Bret didn't not want to lose the belt, though. He just didn't want to lose it that night in Montreal. He was going to stay through the December PPV and drop the belt there. The day of Survivor Series, when Vince had already decided to doublecross him, he asked Bret what he wanted to do and Bret suggested vacating the belt. Vince didn't try to convince him to do otherwise.

Who exactly is the one who hasn't let that shit go? Vince and Shawn were doing Montreal angles as recently as last year. Bret didn't even want Montreal mentioned on his DVD.


Hogan over HBK was fine by me too. Especially since at the time they were hoping for Hogan/Austin at Wrestlemania. Hogan shouldn't have lost going into that.

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I took the comments by HHH as just blowing himself up to look more important in the story. HHH was pretty much Shawn's stooge at that point, and had no power, except that he had Shawn's ear. He was pretty much a nobody in 1997, and even if he did say "Fuck him" in the meeting, it doesn't mean he masterminded anything. I doubt Shawn truly remembers what happened due to the amount of drugs he was taking at the time. I have even heard Bret say the same thing in an interview.

Speaking of Shawn and drugs, I always wondered what the Fed would've done with him if he stayed healthy during the big Austin/Rock era. But I never really thought about it until I read the post by Big Bad, that he would probably have died at the rate he was going. Some say he got what he deserved by missing out on that period because he was an asshole. But at least he is alive, and seems to have conquered his demons.

I have always felt that no matter how big of a star you are, if you are at least asked to job to a guy that is as big of a star as you are, you do what the boss tells you. It wasn't like Dusty allegedly trying to job Flair to Rick Steiner at Starrcade '88. It doesn't matter if you like the guy or not, you job when the boss says job.






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    Originally posted by Whattaburger
    Whether Montreal was right or wrong is irrelevant, but I'll always stick to Bret's versions of events because in 10 years, his versions have more/less never changed.

    DiBiase's comments kind of pissed me off. DiBiase didn't have his family torn apart and credibility questioned because all his criticisms were seen as just "grinding an ax with Vince."


The way I see it, DiBiase says he is still close friends with both guys. And from a Christian viewpoint he feels that if Michaels wants to make amends and get forgiveness from Bret, he should give it. From where you are sitting it might be wrong, but that's just the way I see it.


    They tout the guy's ability to be as hardcore as it comes in terms of performing and wanting to perform and even with a broken back, but can't drop the belt to Bret due to a knee injury? One he comes back from 3 months later? The same kind of injury he was reportedly wrestling on for a year earlier this year?


Here's what the DVD says about it. Take it for what you will. HBK when he first heard about the injury thought he was going to be out indefinitely maybe for good. His mother saw that he had been depressed lately and was no longer happy about doing what he loved. She said, he "lost his smile". Michaels grabbed the line from his mother. He claims he really thought he was done at this point, it just ended up ironically so he was healed up enough to come back three months later. That could be just WWE revisionism or whatever, but that's the statement on it.


    Here HBK says he was innovative in the edgy, shoot-style stuff. Seven years ago with RF, he criticized ECW and Shane Douglas in particular for it and saying it was lame and cheap.


I don't think he was really saying that. I just feel the angles such as HBK turning on Jannetty and slamming him through the window still hold up by today's standards. The whole promo was shown in full on the FROM THE VAULT SHAWN MICHAELS DVD.


    And forcing him to turn obviously was the right idea and made for a better build up, wasn't it? Or do we only credit Hogan for the blunders? Hypothetically, if the whole Hogan/HBK team up was to ULTIMATELY have HBK over Hogan, than whose ego was it about? At least in terms of the way it was presented in the doc as DiBiase says.


Dude you missed the whole freaking point. Yes it turned out for the better. The irony of it was that Hogan forced booking to make Michaels the heel, and Hogan did NOT like the direction HBK ultimately took. HBK was reluctant to do it because he said, "If I was a heel like in the old days, my character would tear you apart." Hogan says, "It's just business go on and do it." HBK did what was asked of him and Hogan did not like HBK being an effective heel in the feud. HBK was reluctant because he probably figured that Hogan would not like the result of facing an HBK with the gloves off.

The way the feud was originally booked was that it would be babyface vs. babyface. HBK would simply say, "I have to know if I can beat you." That's it. Hogan wanted it to be babyface heel though. He got his wish, and he paid for it.


    I don't think HBK needs anymore credibility to put younger guys over if he's as good as people claim. I'm in the minority, but I feel the WWE owes Hogan more than they could give him, because as has been stated millions of times, wrestling and that company SPECIFICALLY wouldn't be what it is without him. Hogan over HBK was fine by me and HBK not getting it back is deserved considering how he foolishly and sold Hogan's offense. Someone should spin around for three minutes before falling next time they get Superkicked.


HBK's ridiculous selling and bumping in the match is the only reason to watch the match on repeat viewings. The match was pretty lame, but HBK made it almost semi-watchable.


    I'm not trying to be snarky with anything I say, and if someone has better info, correct me -- but no matter what is said about the "new" God-fearing, morally-conscious HBK, it's productions like these that make me think it's the greatest work of all.


Well I think maybe there's some merit to how truthful to his newly found morals and beliefs HBK is. I think in my review I touched on how everything that's happened in the last two years makes me feel more cynical about these productions. I'm not sure I can really believe HBK when he swears he's never taken steroids. And I'm also not sure I can believe he's 100% clean either.




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    Originally posted by Whattaburger
    Bret has always said he didn't care about whether it was in Montreal, but that it was about not giving the benefit to HBK

    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Bret didn't not want to lose the belt, though. He just didn't want to lose it that night in Montreal.

    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Like you said, Bret's story has stayed the same over the years

This is Montreal talk in a nutshell. Agreement that one guy's story never changed, but different versions of what that story actually is.
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.67
I just meant his story afterwards was always that he was willing to stay and drop the title, and Vince never asked him not to vacate it the next night (the conversation of which having been taped). Whereas Vince's justification was first that Bret was going to go to Nitro the next night, then that he refused to lose to anyone, then that he couldn't let Eric announce that he had signed the WWF champion, then that there's a time-honored tradition you have to uphold, that Shawn didn't know, that Shawn knew, that Pat Patterson didn't know, that Patterson knew ... which seems to change every time there's a Confidential piece or a DVD that talks about it.

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I know what you meant, I'm just saying. Even when one story has stayed the same, there's different takes on what the story is, which makes the whole thing hard to discuss.
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