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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.17
This is what I am talking about. Easily the best episode of the last three, and it really outlines the differences between "Survivor Man" Michael and the Michael that I think makes the show really work. (It's all about me, after all.)

Kelly's attitude towards Pam and her "smack" talk were great, as was Dwight listing his ping pong heroes.

But Michael in the deposition was gold - especially when the stenographer started reading back his attempts to get out of answering questions. That had me rolling.

it's really going to be a bummer if we don't get a Christmas episode this year.




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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.75
Best of the season so far.

A little bit of Dwight is sometimes all you need. Ping Pong Dwight > Molotov Cocktail Dwight. As brief as his screen time was, he stole the show.

Brief list of awesomes:
• Pam's impressed look when Jim ad-libbed his explanation to Dwight.
• Kevin: "AWESOME!"
• Everything Toby
• The Photo
• Kelly's smack montage

The only thing that gnawed at me - and, to be honest, I really don't care that much because the point is mute (not "moot", as I learned on My Name Is Earl) - was DM's lawyer at the end tripping up Michael. Yes, it was damning to Jan's case because her boyfriend testified that she was basically full of shit. At the same time, though, the review seemed to prove that Jan's relationship did not interfere with her job; even while she was hitting it, she wanted to fire it. It doesn't win her case, but I don't think it helps the company as much as they think. Afterall, Michael is basically a company witness whether he knows it or not, at least as long as he thinks he's on Jan's side.

Again, a minor quibble with a tiny thing had to be done on the show to wrap a great episode, and this is one "unrealistic" happening that I've no problem with them including.

(edited by PeterStork on 16.11.07 0022)

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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.07
*Sniff*

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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.34
I *heart* Michael vs Toby
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.66
This is what I'm talking about. We finally got a return to season 3 form with this episode. Wasn't Michael's car a convertible, though? When they are driving back, it looks like just a regular hard top. But that's just a minor detail from a great episode. Unfortunately it's the last new one we'll see for quite a while.



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Since: 19.8.05
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.56
That was a great episode, with some great characterization for Michael.
I am not sure what exactly "Your mama is so fat she could eat the Internet" means, but it was still hilarious.




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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.62
"Remember, it’s not just a pattern. It’s a pattern of disrespect and inappropriate behaviors."

"My friend Pat took a turn. That’s how I remember that."
"My friend Disree got new specs."
"My friend Inapro drives a Prius with his behind neighbor."

Really good show. I thought Kelly was a little much, and would have totally been funnier with a little less. The notes to Michael from Pam were funny, and Toby cracking up hearing the part of Michael's diary about Ryan was hilarious. Dwight listing his ping-pong heroes and playing at the end with Mose....gold.

The ending though caught me short, as I was expecting something different from Michael towards David Wallace...what, I don't know, but something different.
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Since: 16.10.02
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.25
I weep for Toby.

The guy just needs a hug.

Michael knocking the tray off the table caught me completely off guard. I was thinking that we were FINALLY going to get a nice Michael/Toby moment.

This is as good as any wrestling slow build feud.
I am going to go absolutely nuts if Toby finally lays the smackdown- verbally or physically- on Michael. It'll be like Virgil finally beating up the Million Dollar Man.
If he hasn't by now though, I'm not sure Toby has it in him.

The episode was a little too serious for me, though I did like the "that's what she said" parts of the deposition.
Weird Kelly behavior- we've never really seen the smack-talking side of the bubbly customer service rep before.

It's been a really weird season. The tone seems to change with every episode.
I hope it comes back soon, though.
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Since: 2.1.02
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.25
I have to see outtakes for this episode because I can't imagine Rainn Wilson listing off Dwight's ping-pong heroes without cracking up a few times. Between that and the diary entries of "this other woman, Ryan", it was a great episode.
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Since: 25.4.03
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.07
    Originally posted by dwaters
    Michael knocking the tray off the table caught me completely off guard.


That may have been the funniest thing on there all season ...
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.09
Hey Hey!
You You!
I don't like your boyfriend!
Cuz Cuz!
Cuz Cuz!
Cuz he sucks at ping-pong!

I almost fell off the couch. (Also, Kelly was very informative. I had no idea there was a discernible difference between trash talk and smack talk.)

Sadly, I think this is going to be the season finale. It fits, kinda, because we saw the resolution of the Michael/Jan storyline. But all the other storylines (Pam/Jim, Dwangela/Andy, etc.) are left hanging.

Poor Toby. But you know he got A TON of satisfaction out of Michael's diary.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.26
I really liked this episode, but not as much as most people. I felt like Michael SHOULD have done something to David to make him feel bad instead of letting him off the hook. Something about being a REAL DM employee and how he has never been anything but straight with his fellow DMers. Just something to tweek David.

All else was good, really good, but no real laugh out loud bits. Everything was well written and paced, but I felt like something was missing - a bigger payoff.

No complaints though - it was still better than 97% of what is on TV now.

And yes, Toby has GOT to at some point confront Michael and go at it.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.62
Loved this episode, but it in no way matches the greatness of Launch Party this season. It's an episode like this, however, that proves the Office is the best show on TV; even every little nuance, like a CFO in the background of a shot, is funny and holds meaning.

Kelly was the stand-out in this episode by far. Her obnoxiousness brought back the evil stare Pam that we saw briefly in Benihana Christmas, and it was glorious. I also loved the fact that it wasn't the supposed competitors (Jim & Darryl) who cared about the competition at all. And Michael v Toby gets taken to another level; I have to admit I was taken in by Michael sitting with Toby at the lunch. I did think it was because he was afraid to sit near Jan, but then he launched Toby's tray and I fell off my couch laughing.

To me, there is no difference between "Survivor Man" Michael and the supposed "regular" Michael or between Dwight in Branch Wars and a supposed "regular" Dwight. They're the same character, following their same characteristics. Only the situations they respond to change. And it's all been hilarious. Here's hoping the strike gets resolved quickly because the Office is going to be missed.

(edited by BoromirMark on 16.11.07 1936)

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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.56
I also want to give kudos to this show for not cramming the Jim and Pam couple down our throats. I sometimes forget they are together. They have totally sidestepped jumping the shark by hooking them up.




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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.55
I know it's early in the relationship, but I'm getting the sense that Pam is getting sick of Jim's shortcomings. Not fitting in to her little "Finer Things" club, failing when taking over for Michael for a day and now not being able to win at ping-pong, just to name a few in the last couple weeks. She really seemed bothered by it this week (even moreso in the deleted scene on NBC.com). Maybe I'm way off, but that's the vibe I'm getting.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.69
    Originally posted by geemoney
    I know it's early in the relationship, but I'm getting the sense that Pam is getting sick of Jim's shortcomings. Not fitting in to her little "Finer Things" club, failing when taking over for Michael for a day and now not being able to win at ping-pong, just to name a few in the last couple weeks. She really seemed bothered by it this week (even moreso in the deleted scene on NBC.com). Maybe I'm way off, but that's the vibe I'm getting.

I don't think you're off at all. I think they're purposely building up to Pam breaking up with Jim due to all of his shortcomings or (less likely) Jim breaking up with Pam because he sees that she feels he's not good enough for her. I'm talking long term, though, like maybe by the end of a full season.

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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.17
I think it'll eventually be revealed that Jim turned down the corporate job in NY to be with Pam in Scranton.

I am about 0 for 1,263,924 in television series predictions - but that just means I'm due.




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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.77
    Originally posted by StingArmy
    I don't think you're off at all. I think they're purposely building up to Pam breaking up with Jim due to all of his shortcomings or (less likely) Jim breaking up with Pam because he sees that she feels he's not good enough for her. I'm talking long term, though, like maybe by the end of a full season.

    - StingArmy


I hope you're both wrong. I mean, I suppose they're building up to some sort of rift between Jim and Pam, but I don't see why it has to big enough to break them up. Who's to say that Pam and Jim don't struggle for a little while, but ultimately Jim realizes that he can achieve his dreams and he and Pam are better off for it? And so Jim becomes a sports writer and he and Pam move to Philly, where her burgeoning art career can take off. I suppose that would make a fitting finale.



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
    Originally posted by EddieBurkett
      Originally posted by StingArmy
      I don't think you're off at all. I think they're purposely building up to Pam breaking up with Jim due to all of his shortcomings or (less likely) Jim breaking up with Pam because he sees that she feels he's not good enough for her. I'm talking long term, though, like maybe by the end of a full season.

      - StingArmy


    I hope you're both wrong. I mean, I suppose they're building up to some sort of rift between Jim and Pam, but I don't see why it has to big enough to break them up. Who's to say that Pam and Jim don't struggle for a little while, but ultimately Jim realizes that he can achieve his dreams and he and Pam are better off for it? And so Jim becomes a sports writer and he and Pam move to Philly, where her burgeoning art career can take off. I suppose that would make a fitting finale.


Nah, make it more like a real office relationship. They thought it was gonna rock, it ended up just being ok so they go back to being friends after a while. Akward for a bit, but fine within a few months. Just so long as they stay the hell away from any wedding bullshit I'm cool.
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Actually I thought Michaels interaction with David was great. It's hard to get stuff to sink in with Michael but he realized that David gave him an interview solely out of respect for his loyalty to the company, because it was the right thing to do. While Jan dragged him through the mud. It was actually one of my favorite parts of this episode, which was easily the best of the year IMO.
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