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#21 Posted on
I've hated the Lakers ever since Shaq sold out and went to them. Orlando had a potential dynasty.



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95
Sold out??? Oh please.



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#23 Posted on
Im a Magic fan and I wouldnt say that Shaq sold out. I think he kinda shitted on Orlando, I didnt like the way he snuck out of town like a thief in the night. He knew he was leaving the whole season and I think he left the Team (epecially Penny Hardaway), management and the fans high and dry. He had already worked out a deal with Jerry West before the end of the season which is illegal but i guess he had his eyes on Hollywood and I can blame him for that. Orlando can get kinda boring....LOL.



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#24 Posted on
... Yeah, DJ. You got one ... SoCal all my life, Lakers fan since 1980 -- first Lakers favorite was Jamaal Wilkes, because of his shooting style (one I foolishly tried to emulate for years afterward). Graduated from the Laker Sky Hook Academy ... I received my diploma from while Yo-Yoing up and down on the platform of the CoopALoop ballroom.

I suppose my favorite Laker team was the 1987-88 squad, because they were the first Back to Back L.A. Champions.

My favorite Non-Champion Laker team was the 1994-95 group, because nobody thought they were worth a sh*t. Man, that was a fun team to watch.

Obviously I'm proud of the current Lakers ... but it's too bad that Nick Van Exel and Eddie Jones couldn't be around to share in the title run. But, you know, cap room's tight -- probably couldn't keep them anyway.






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#25 Posted on

    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
    That's ok *sniff*, I accept your appology. But there MUST be SOMEONE out there who likes the Lakers besides me.
    ANYONE?!?!?!



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#26 Posted on
I live in Alabama and therefore have no hometown team so i'm forced to pick a team that I like, and since players change teams so often I often find myself switching favorite teams in the NBA (although in the MLB I will always be a Mets fan, and in college i will always be a Gators fan).

At one time I did like the Lakers. That was when it was Nick Van Exel, Eddie Jones, Cedric Ceballos, Elden Campbell, Vlade Divac, they were slowly getting better and becoming a good team. Of course Magic had to ruin that, who I also never liked, I always always more of a Barkley and Isiah fan, not a Magic, MJ, Larry guy. But anyway, they cleared out that whole team and so i moved on. When the Kings and Mavericks, who I both like, got passed the first round my one hope was that whoever won, Nick and the Mavs or Vlade and the Kings would beat the Lakers, so go Vlade!

I also don't like how they get so many calls, yeah i know Shaq and Kobe have both fouled out of games this series but still they get way more calls. Of course it's not just them I guess, it's the whole NBA, only in the NBA are the rules different for certain players. If you're a star, a veteran or the home team you always get advantages, which to me is called cheating. I mean if you're a star veteran playing at home against a nobody rookie visitor, forget about it, you're getting every call. Maybe in the NFL and MLB some stars get a little bit of favoritism but it's not as insanely obvious as it is in the NBA, even the announcers talk about it like it's no big deal and is expected.

To me all you have to do is look at this series. Kobe is awesome, i'll admit that, and he can get make things happen and get to the line a lot. But Doug Christie has fouled out twice this series?? Doug Christie is the best defensive guard in the NBA, he doesn't foul out, but I guess now that he's guarding Kobe he just suddenly decided to foul a lot? And of course that one elbow he took to the head from Kobe that was called a foul on Christie was the most ridiculous call in NBA history.

Oh yeah and I almost forgot. Phil Jackson, most overrated coach in history. If i had MJ and Pippen, if i had Shaq and Kobe, i could win championships too. The people who really deserve the credit are the general managers for gettings those players.

And lastly, the non Kobe and Shaq players. I've been hearing lately that Mateen Cleaves of the Kings is the 2002 version of Jack Haley, which is pretty funny, but how about the Lakers bench?? I mean the Kings only go three players into their bench most of the time, but atleast those three players do something on a regular basis. I mean Bobby Jackson and Turkoglu both could've been legitimate sixth man of the year winners. And then there's who I like to call the 2002 version of Ron Harper, you see me and my friend have always HATED Ron Harper, because he rode Jordan and Pippens' coattails in Chicago and then did the same thing in LA and acted like he was all bad and stuff when they could've won just as easily without him. And the 2002 version of him is Rick Fox. Horry, i'll give him credit he makes big shots, does the little things. Derek Fisher, sure he runs the team good. But Rick Fox? He does nothing.

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#27 Posted on
Oh yeah and I almost forgot. Phil Jackson, most overrated coach in history. If i had MJ and Pippen, if i had Shaq and Kobe, i could win championships too. The people who really deserve the credit are the general managers for gettings those players.

FINALLY!!!

I can't believe I read this entire thread and only saw two people bash phil jackson. Big Chief Triangle (God i miss van gundy) is beyond overrated and he proved it when taking the Lakers job. A coach truly makes his mark when elevating/saving another franchise. For specific examples see Pat Riley, Chuck Daly, Larry Brown. if phil wanted to show everyone just how great he was, why not take the nets job a couple of years ago? oh thats right..no dominant hall of fame player.

I hope the Lakers lose tomorrow night. Then I hope Shaq has to retire because of his toe. of course being the zen master he is, im sure phil is already planning his retirement this time next year, if not already.



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#28 Posted on
What has more talent: the current Laker team, or the version with Shaq, and Kobe, AND Van Exel, AND Eddie Jones, AND Elden Campbell?

PLEASE do not tell me the current Laker team, because that would be insane. But Phil won with this team. He got something out of Shaq and Kobe that wasn't there before, and he knew exactly which complementary players to surround them with. That's what Phil does. He brings teams from "contender" to "championship" status. It's something different than what Larry Brown does... Brown is good at taking a team from "crap" to "contender". It's something different than Brown does, but it sure as hell is not any less difficult or less valuable.



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#29 Posted on
But in Chicago and LA Phil Jackson has had the TWO best players in the game on the same team. That other version of the Lakers with Van Exel, Eddie, Kobe and Shaq did not. Kobe was nowhere near the player he is now. He didn't even start at the time. Also Shaq had injuries, he only played 60 and 49 games those first two years with with that team. Van Exel also missed close to 20 games. And Eddie only played 20 games one of those years. If they're all healthy and Kobe is the player then that he is now, then you have a good argument. But a team with that many good players getting injured just isn't going to win.



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#30 Posted on
Please, you cannot be serious... Pippen was not even CLOSE to the second best player in basketball. As for the Lakers, I'm not gonna give Phil credit for Kobe's development because Kobe was so young, but Shaq is twice the player he was pre-Phil. His offense (particularly his passing) is significantly better, his defense is worlds better. That's not Phil, it's just a weird coincidence? I DENY ALL OF YOUR MOTIONS. You'll need a first-ballot Hall of Famer to win a championship, that's just how it works in basketball. If you have such a player -- and there are several such active players at any given time -- give your team to Phil and he will win with it.



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#31 Posted on
If he wasn't so arrogant i wouldn't have such a problem with him. Of course he could silence all of us by moving to the Clippers or Denver and building a winner there. but of course that won't happen. Big Chief Triangle...building a team?? That goes against all zen principles!!

Tell me who's a first ballot hall of famer on the Kings or the Nets?
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#32 Posted on
Big Chief Triangle...building a team?? That goes against all zen principles!!
He hasn't proven that he's good at that, no. Then again, guys like George Karl and Larry Brown have proven that they're good at building teams, but not good at winning championships once they have the talent...

Tell me who's a first ballot hall of famer on the Kings or the Nets?
Kidd. The Kings don't have one, which is why I feel, quite frankly, that they're going to lose Game 7. If the Kings do win the finals, they will be the first team to win without a truly dominant player since the '78-'79 Sonics.



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#33 Posted on
If Jason Kidd continues to play the way he has for four-five more seasons then he is a Hall of Famer. But first ballot??? Kidd's career has been very inconsistent, which leads me to think next year won't be as magical. Jason Kidd has an outside shot at the hall, but Isiah Thomas he is not.
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#34 Posted on
Um, I like the Lakers.

BUT!!! They won't win anymore titles with that team I think (after this year). The Kings are the future and the Mavs are the money.



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#35 Posted on
*I* hate the Lakers because there isn't a guy on that team, from Shaq to Kobe to Fisher to Phil, who doesn't look like a cocky jackass who needs the shit slapped out of him because he is so full of himself. They're the most pampered team in all of sports, as the league is just cow-towing to them because of Kobe and Shaq's supposed popularity.

I really hate Kobe because of the way he shit on the Sixers last year, even though his DAD played for them 20 years ago. And he wonders why he got booed out of the FU center at the end of the All Star game? "Oh, Philly just loves their teams." No, that dude is a straight up ASS, I'm getting tickets for next year's Lakers-Sixers game just to taunt the dumb bastard.

And Shaq screwed Orlando and didn't do business the RIGHT way. He really isn't that good on his own, really all he does is make the smaller guard's job easier (Kobe in LA, Penny Hardaway in Orlando).

When history is all said and done, I don't think either Shaq or Kobe will be proven to have been all that great.

And if there should be an asterisk in the record books for San Antonio's 99 championship, what the hell should they put for this year's Laker's championship? Bottom line, that shot at the end of the half in game four should NOT have counted, but becasue it did LA won a game they shouldn't have, which necessitated games six and seven that wouldn't have needed to happen.

Maybe next year the games will all be called evenly and fairly. I can hope, right?

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#36 Posted on
Things I've learned in this thread:

1) The goal of a basketball coach is not to win championships. It is to take a bad team and make them mediocre or pretty good.

2) A basketball coach should quit a team if it ever wins a championship. In fact, he probably should quit BEFORE he wins a championship if it looks like he is on that track, and save himself the embarrassment.

3) Besides, championships have nothing to do with coaching anyway. It's all about the players. Team owners would be better served to fire the coach and use the money saved to bring in top-notch talent. Afterall, the Lakers could win championships indefinitely without a coach, as long as they keep Kobe and Shaq signed, so they are wasting money on Phil Jackson.

4) Since the 76's are already contenders, they should fire Larry Brown and name Iverson the coach. He shall lead the way (no practice guys!).

I'm receiving quite an education at Weinerville!

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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42
Nobody is saying the Laker's (coaching and all) shouldn't want to win another title. However, just because THEY want to win one doesn't mean all FANS want them to win one.

Also, again nobody is saying coaching is unnecessary. However, do you think had Jackson been the coach of the LAkers team in, say, 1995 he would have won three straight titles then like he did when he inherited a team with Shaq and Kobe on the roster?



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#38 Posted on
However, do you think had Jackson been the coach of the LAkers team in, say, 1995 he would have won three straight titles

Gee, great point. No, and neither would anyone else... so that proves what, again?



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#39 Posted on

    Originally posted by joecollins
    Bottom line, that shot at the end of the half in game four should NOT have counted, but becasue it did LA won a game they shouldn't have, which necessitated games six and seven that wouldn't have needed to happen.

    Maybe next year the games will all be called evenly and fairly. I can hope, right?

    GO NETS~!



Why should that shot not have counted? It was before the buzzer, there were no fouls called (hell, Vlade was the last one to touch it before Horry).

I think this is pushing it just a bit. I think you should be angrier with Sacramento for BLOWING THE SERIES. Everyone said they couldn't handle the pressure, and sure enough...



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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
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    Originally posted by Leroy[quotemid

    Why should that shot not have counted? It was before the buzzer, there were no fouls called (hell, Vlade was the last one to touch it before Horry).

    I think this is pushing it just a bit. I think you should be angrier with Sacramento for BLOWING THE SERIES. Everyone said they couldn't handle the pressure, and sure enough...



I think he was talking about Samaki Walker's three-pointer at the half, not Horry's shot.

Anyway, you can't blame the Kings losing the series on if one specific moment was different, because you don't know how it would've changed the game. How about blaming the loss on the Kings pissing away a 24-point lead by playing only 3 quarters of basketball? Or losing Game 7 on horrible free-throw shooting? However, if the Kings learn from their mental mistakes, they should be right back in the hunt next year.



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