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From OscarWatch:

ADDED IN ITALICS, folks nominated for Golden Globes and how they match up with these Guild noms.

DIRECTOR'S GUILD NOMINATIONS:
George Clooney [Good Night, And Good Luck] (Globe nominee)
Paul Haggis [Crash]
Ang Lee [Brokeback Mountain] (Globe nominee)
Bennett Miller [Capote]
Steven Spielberg [Munich] (Globe nominee)
Ignored by Guild, Not By Globes: Woody Allen (Match Point), Peter Jackson (King Kong), Fernando Meirelles (The Constant Gardener)

SCREEN ACTORS GUILD NOMINATIONS:
LEAD ACTOR:
Russell Crowe [Cinderella Man] (Globe nominee, Drama)
Phillip Seymour Hoffman [Capote] (Globe nominee, Drama)
Heath Ledger [Brokeback Mountain] (Globe nominee, Drama)
Joaquin Phoenix [Walk the Line] (Globe nominee, Musical/Comedy)
David Strathairn [Good Night, And Good Luck] (Globe nominee, Drama)
Ignored by Guild, Not By Globes: Terrence Howard (Hustle & Flow; Drama), Pierce Brosnan (The Matador; Musical/Comedy), Jeff Daniels (The Squid & the Whale; Musical/Comedy), Johnny Depp (Charlie & Chocolate Factory; Musical/Comedy), Nathan Lane (The Producers; Musical/Comedy), Cillian Murphy (Breakfast on Pluto; Musical/Comedy)

LEAD ACTRESS:
Judi Dench [Mrs. Henderson Presents] (Globe nominee, Musical/Comedy)
Felicity Huffman [Transamerica] (Globe nominee, Drama)
Charlize Theron [North Country] (Globe nominee, Drama)
Reese Witherspoon [Walk the Line] (Globe nominee, Musical/Comedy)
Ziyi Zhang [Memoirs of a Geisha] (Globe nominee, Drama)
Ignored by Guild, Not By Globes: Gwyneth Paltrow (Proof; Drama), Maria Bello (A History of Violence; Drama), Kiera Knightley (Pride & Prejudice; Musical/Comedy), Sarah Jessica Parker (The Family Stone; Musical/Comedy), Laura Linney (The Squid & the Whale; Musical/Comedy)

SUPPORTING ACTOR:
Don Cheadle [Crash]
George Clooney [Syriana] (Globe nominee)
Matt Dillon [Crash] (Globe nominee)
Paul Giamatti [Cinderella Man] (Globe nominee)
Jake Gyllenhaal [Brokeback Mountain]
Ignored by Guild, Not By Globes: Will Ferrell (The Producers), Bob Hoskins (Mrs. Henderson Presents)

SUPPORTING ACTRESS:
Amy Adams [Junebug]
Catherine Keener [Capote]
Frances McDormand [North Country] (Globe nominee)
Rachel Weisz [The Constant Gardener] (Globe nominee)
Michelle Williams [Brokeback Mountain] (Globe nominee)
Ignored by Guild, Not By Globes: Scarlett Johansson (Match Point), Shirley MacLaine (In Her Shoes)

ENSEMBLE:
Brokeback Mountain
Capote
Crash
Good Night, And Good Luck
Hustle & Flow

PRODUCER'S GUILD NOMINATIONS:
THEATRICAL MOTION PICTURES:
Brokeback Mountain
Capote
Crash
Good Night, And Good Luck
Walk The Line

ANIMATED MOTION PICTURE:
Chicken Little
Madagascar
Robots
Tim Burton's Corpse Bride
Wallace & Gromit: Curse of the Were-Rabbit

WRITER'S GUILD NOMINATIONS:
ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY:
Cinderella Man [Screenplay by Cliff Hollingsworth & Akiva Goldsman; Story by Akiva Goldsman]
Crash [Screenplay by Paul Haggis & Bobby Moresco; Story by Paul Haggis] (Globe nominee)
The 40 Year Old Virgin [Written by Judd Apatow & Steve Carell]
Good Night, And Good Luck [Written by George Clooney & Grant Heslov] (Globe nominee)
The Squid and the Whale [Written by Noah Baumbach]

ADAPTED SCREENPLAY:
Brokeback Mountain [Screenplay by Larry McMurtry & Diana Ossana] (Globe nominee)
Capote [Screenplay by Dan Futterman]
The Constant Gardener [Screenplay by Jeffrey Caine]
A History of Violence [Screenplay by Josh Olson]
Syriana [Screenplay by Stephen Gaghan]

Ignored by Guild, Not By Globes: Woody Allen (Match Point), Tony Kushner & Eric Roth (Munich)

(edited by Freeway420 on 5.1.06 1522)


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WOW! The Best Actor and Best Supporting Actor field is stacked! Withthe slight exception to Crowe, I would not be disappointed if either of the other four won. I saw all the films they were in and I would say Strathairn and Hoffman should be 1-2.

As for Supporting, Giammatti and Cheadle would get my votes and I feel one of them will win based on their past bodies of work and how good they were in each of these films, especially Cheadle.





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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.02
    Originally posted by AWArulz
    If this is what the Oscars are going to look like this year as well, nobody is even going to notice that Jon Stewart is hosting. No one is seeing most of these movies. For as much as Hollyweird is pushing Brokeback and Good Night at us, no one is seeing them. Brokeback is now at $15 million, Capote is at 12, Goodnight has made it to 27, and Crash to 79 Million. Even Cinderella Man is only just over 100 Million.(obviously, these numbers, all from Boxofficemojo.com, may be a week or two old.)

    OTOH, the movies people actually saw and liked, like Star Wars, Harry Potter, Narnia, Batman - nothing.

    I guess I prefer the People's choice awards. They actually reward and honor entertainment rather than so-called art.


Star Wars, Potter & Batman are all expected to garner some SFX awards, like the two Spider-Man films did.



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    For as much as Hollyweird is pushing Brokeback and Good Night at us, no one is seeing them. OTOH, the movies people actually saw and liked, like Star Wars, Harry Potter, Narnia, Batman - nothing.


Quality determined by popularity, are we really doin' that one? Hayden Christensen's performance in Star Wars was better than Jake Gyllenhall's in Brokeback Mountain because more people saw it? Katie Holmes in Batman was better than Catherine Keener in Capote? Etc.


    I guess I prefer the People's choice awards. They actually reward and honor entertainment rather than so-called art.


If there's a noun in that sentence I'd qualify with 'so-called,' it'd be entertainment, not art. The People reward pap -- and sometimes not even the best pap. The Oscars are far from the best barometer of quality, but at least they aren't giving multiple nominations to The Longest Yard remake.
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.92
"For as much as Hollyweird is pushing Brokeback and Good Night at us, no one is seeing them."

I'm not trying to start a political dogfight in the wrong forum here, but seeing a prominent Republican boardmember coupling the derogatory term "Hollyweird" with a movie about homosexuals and a movie about liberalism vs. McCarthyism makes me a wee bit queasy. Have you actually seen any of the films getting nominated? I'd qualify this year as one of the most interesting and open in awards season history-there's no straightforward Big Issue picture squatting over the board, there's no political favourite, there's no "overdue wins" just waiting to rob the rightful victors.

And fucking Hell, "pushing" them at us? Do you really believe in your wildest dreams that Brokeback or Good Night had even a 1/50th of the marketing budget designated to a Harry Potter or a Star Wars? Good forbid the films that actually make people think and have something to say get some reward. And surely the hundreds of millions of dollars pouring into the studio coffers is honor and reward enough for these giants of cinematic entertainment.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.35
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    If there's a noun in that sentence I'd qualify with 'so-called,' it'd be entertainment, not art. The People reward pap -- and sometimes not even the best pap. The Oscars are far from the best barometer of quality, but at least they aren't giving multiple nominations to The Longest Yard remake.


Which is why I don't understand why people care much about the Academy Awards. Since a good portion of the movies nominated weren't big hits with the people when they came out why would they care about them winning awards as voted on by the "Academy"?

    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    Good forbid the films that actually make people think and have something to say get some reward.


Shouldn't they also need to be entertaining or well made in addition to having something to say before people lavish praise on them? (Disclaimer: I haven't seen either of those particular movies so I'm just speaking in general here).



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    Originally posted by BigSteve
    Which is why I don't understand why people care much about the Academy Awards. Since a good portion of the movies nominated weren't big hits with the people when they came out why would they care about them winning awards as voted on by the "Academy"?


What the general public finds entertaining is not the bar by which art should be judged. That's not to say the "Academy" is much better, but still...

These awards - whether it be Golden Globe or Oscars - always teeter that "is it art or is it pop" line. At least, if nothing else, most of the films below have SOME substance beyond Gladiator or Titanic.

    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    Do you really believe in your wildest dreams that Brokeback or Good Night had even a 1/50th of the marketing budget designated to a Harry Potter or a Star Wars?


No wonder why my "Brokeback Mountain Souvenir Cup" never showed up at my local Kenny Rogers Roasters...

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    Originally posted by AWArulz
    If this is what the Oscars are going to look like this year as well, nobody is even going to notice that Jon Stewart is hosting. No one is seeing most of these movies. For as much as Hollyweird is pushing Brokeback and Good Night at us, no one is seeing them. Brokeback is now at $15 million, Capote is at 12, Goodnight has made it to 27, and Crash to 79 Million. Even Cinderella Man is only just over 100 Million.(obviously, these numbers, all from Boxofficemojo.com, may be a week or two old.)

    OTOH, the movies people actually saw and liked, like Star Wars, Harry Potter, Narnia, Batman - nothing.

    I guess I prefer the People's choice awards. They actually reward and honor entertainment rather than so-called art.

Some years a big movie is also a good movie. Sadly other years the blockbusters are just pure entertainment with nothing particularly interesting about them. For a group of weirdos, they often take movies that seem to have a lot of appeal. From the aforementioned boxofficemojo, the Academy Award winners from 1995-2005 with gross (domestic, total worldwide):

2005: Million Dollar Baby 100M, 216M
2004: Return of the King 377M, 1117M
2003: Chicago 170M, 306M
2002: Beautiful Mind 160M, 316M
2001: Gladiator 187M, 457M
2000: American Beauty 130M, 347M
1999: Shakespeare in Love 100M, 279M
1998: Titanic 600M, 1835M
1997: English Patient 78M, 231M
1996: Braveheart 75M, 209M
1995: Forrest Gump 329M, 679M

Ironically, the lowest grossing movie out of all of these is Mel Gibson's war movie, one that I doubt anyone would say was trying to be a niche art film. Yet the freaking English Patient drew more box office than it.

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    Originally posted by Leroy
    No wonder why my "Brokeback Mountain Souvenir Cup" never showed up at my local Kenny Rogers Roasters...
I had to make my own.

The line between art and pop and quality is damn fuzzy, but I don't think it's a shame Star Wars gets no love. The last one that worked outside the geek box as a piece of art was Empire... THAT snub was a shame.

As for Potter/Batman, good movies, but overrated.

And I know this thread is getting too political anyway, but McCarthy was a fuckrag who did WAY more harm than good, regardless of how biased Clooney is.



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    Originally posted by AWArulz
    I won't be seeing Brokeback. Don't worry. No one else is either.


Yeah! Take that, Ang Lee! Astoundingly, your limited release film isn't doing big box office -- and is therefore inferior to the similar Dukes of Hazzard. This is whack. I haven't seen Brokeback, I don't even know if I want to go see Brokeback, but your logic flummoxes me.

Someone that makes more money than you is better than you, and therefore beyond criticism. This is called the Worthington Law (which reads "More Money = Better Than") and it's used to gauge the value of human worth. Did you know that, according to Worthington's Law, the opera singer who called himself "The Great Caruso" was nowhere near as great as Sammy Hagar, The Red Rocker? So shut up, Caruso!

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    Originally posted by spf
    Some years a big movie is also a good movie. Sadly other years the blockbusters are just pure entertainment with nothing particularly interesting about them. For a group of weirdos, they often take movies that seem to have a lot of appeal. From the aforementioned boxofficemojo, the Academy Award winners from 1995-2005 with gross (domestic, total worldwide):

    2005: Million Dollar Baby 100M, 216M
    2004: Return of the King 377M, 1117M
    2003: Chicago 170M, 306M
    2002: Beautiful Mind 160M, 316M
    2001: Gladiator 187M, 457M
    2000: American Beauty 130M, 347M
    1999: Shakespeare in Love 100M, 279M
    1998: Titanic 600M, 1835M
    1997: English Patient 78M, 231M
    1996: Braveheart 75M, 209M
    1995: Forrest Gump 329M, 679M


Hmm, perhaps it isn't so much movies that people don't like as much as it is movies that I don't like. Titanic did great at the box office, but I've never seen it.

I do wonder how much some heavily nominated got a box office boost after being nominated. Maybe I'm just out of the loop on modern cinema.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.57
    Originally posted by BigSteve
      Originally posted by spf
      Some years a big movie is also a good movie. Sadly other years the blockbusters are just pure entertainment with nothing particularly interesting about them. For a group of weirdos, they often take movies that seem to have a lot of appeal. From the aforementioned boxofficemojo, the Academy Award winners from 1995-2005 with gross (domestic, total worldwide):

      2005: Million Dollar Baby 100M, 216M
      2004: Return of the King 377M, 1117M
      2003: Chicago 170M, 306M
      2002: Beautiful Mind 160M, 316M
      2001: Gladiator 187M, 457M
      2000: American Beauty 130M, 347M
      1999: Shakespeare in Love 100M, 279M
      1998: Titanic 600M, 1835M
      1997: English Patient 78M, 231M
      1996: Braveheart 75M, 209M
      1995: Forrest Gump 329M, 679M


    Hmm, perhaps it isn't so much movies that people don't like as much as it is movies that I don't like. Titanic did great at the box office, but I've never seen it.

    I do wonder how much some heavily nominated got a box office boost after being nominated. Maybe I'm just out of the loop on modern cinema.

I'd say there's a couple in there that probably got a boost. Shakespeare in Love (which really should NOT have won), English Patient, and Million Dollar Baby. But none of them made anything more than maybe 10% of their gross post-ceremony I would bet.
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
    Originally posted by AWArulz
    So a film that is barely able to make back its rather modest budget is pushed at us.


According to IMDB, Good Night's budget was $7.5 million, and it's made over $23.5 million to date. And that's before any major award nomination hype has kicked in!

EDIT! FWIW, Brokeback cost $14 million and has made over $15 million -- in still-limited release.

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    Originally posted by Karlos the Jackal
    According to IMDB, Good Night's budget was $7.5 million, and it's made over $23.5 million to date.


But does that $7.5 million include the millions that the studio puts out for advertising of the movie ?



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    Originally posted by Kevintripod
      Originally posted by Karlos the Jackal
      According to IMDB, Good Night's budget was $7.5 million, and it's made over $23.5 million to date.


    But does that $7.5 million include the millions that the studio puts out for advertising of the movie ?
No idea. My guess is "no."

Even so, it's pretty far from "barely able to make back its rather modest budget," unless they've spent $15 million on advertising, which seems like a lot. (I have no idea, though, what the ad budget for something like this is.)

Anyway, I guess this is all off topic, unless I was making an argument that "it's not how much money a movie makes that determines its quality, it's how much it makes compared to how much it cost," -- which I'm not -- so I'll drop it.

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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.50
If I may hazard a guess as to the Oscar nominees....

BEST PICTURE
Goodnight and Good Luck, Brokeback Mountain, Capote, Walk the Line, Munich

BEST DIRECTOR
Clooney, Lee, Spielberg, Woody Allen, Fernando Meirelles

BEST ACTOR
Hoffman (winner), Straitharn, Crowe, Hoffman, Phoenix

BEST ACTRESS
Witherspoon (winner), Theron, Huffman, Dench, Knightley

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR
Clooney, Dillon, Giamatti, Gyllenhall, Cheadle.....winner is up in the air, though this might be where they choose to award Clooney, given how he'll be nominated in three categories this year.

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS
Keener (winner), McDormand, Williams, Weisz, Maria Bello




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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.02
And my picks, a month in advance of the nominations announcement:

BEST PICTURE:
Brokeback Mountain
Good Night, And Good Luck
Munich
Crash
Walk The Line
WHY: Capote is more of a one-man show...and while garnering critical acclaim, nobody really saw it. Crash & Walk The Line get nods here but not for Director to balance things out.

BEST DIRECTOR:
George Clooney [Good Night, And Good Luck]
Ang Lee [Brokeback Mountain]
Steven Spielberg [Munich]
Fernando Meirelles [The Constant Gardener]
Bennett Miller [Capote]
WHY: Capote got snubbed for Picture, but gets noted here. Same with Meirelles, who the Academy loves (he got a nom in this category for City of God).

BEST ACTOR, LEADING ROLE:
David Strathairn [Good Night, And Good Luck]
Eric Bana [Munich]
Joaquin Phoenix [Walk The Line]
Heath Ledger [Brokeback Mountain]
Russell Crowe [Cinderella Man]
WHY: No Hoffman. Got a feeling he'll get snugged in favor of Crowe. If Crowe doesn't get nominated, Hoffman will.

BEST ACTRESS, LEADING ROLE:
Reese Witherspoon [Walk The Line]
Maria Bello [A History of Violence]
Judi Dench [Mrs. Henderson Presents]
Felicity Huffman [Transamerica]
Charlize Theron [North Country]
WHY: Zhang Ziyi gets nothing. If anyone gets bumped in her favor, it's Theron. North Country didn't set the world on fire, and History of Violence is acclaimed enough that somebody from that film needs a nomination.

BEST ACTOR, SUPPORTING ROLE:
Paul Giamatti [Cinderella Man]
Jake Gyllenhaal [Brokeback Mountain]
George Clooney [Syriana]
Don Cheadle [Crash]
Matt Dillon [Crash]
WHY: Almost a lock. Bob Hoskins could slink in for Mrs. Henderson Presents, which would see one of the Crash duo lose a spot.

BEST ACTRESS, SUPPORTING ROLE:
Michelle Williams [Brokeback Mountain]
Catherine Keener [Capote]
Rachel Weisz [The Constant Gardener]
Scarlett Johansson [Match Point]
Amy Adams [Junebug]
WHY: Shirley MacLaine & Frances McDormand could slink in. Either one getting in would see Amy Adams draw out.



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BEST PICTURE
Munich
Broke Back Mountain
Good Night, And Good Luck
Walk The Line
Crash


WHY: Agreed with Freeway here. The first four are pretty much locks, and Crash is the customary "no chance in Hell, but wanna put it somehwere" nominee. The winner is a two-horse race 'twixt gay cowboys and wronged Isrealis.

BEST DIRECTOR
Steven Spielberg, Munich
Ang Lee, Brokeback Mountain
George Clooney, Good Night, And Good Luck
Fernando Meirelles, The Constant Gardner
Paul Haggis, Crash

WHY: Miler strikes me as too unknown to get a serious nomination. Plus, Haggis is a faovurite amongst Hollywood for his scripting work, and rewarding his highly-overrated but critically-acclaimed directorial debut with a nod seems customary.

BEST ACTOR
David Straitharn, Good Night, And Good Luck
Heath Ledger, Brokeback Mountain
Philip Seymour Hoffman, Capote
Eric Bana, Munich
Joaquin Phoenix, Walk The Line

WHY: No way in Hell Hoffman gets ghosted in favour of Crowe. Crowe's out-of-favour with the awards-makers right now-witness the Master And Commander snubbery-and he hasn't had a stellar year in terms of tabloid relations.Contrast with PSH, who's getting nominated everywhere and is long overdue for some recognition. If anyone were to get bumped, which I don't tihnk they will, it would be Bana or even Ledger.

BEST ACTRESS
Reese Witherspoon, Walk The Line
Mario Bello, A History Of Violence
Charlize Theron, North Country
Judi Dench, Mrs Henderson Presents
Zhang Ziyi, Memoirs Of A Geisha

WHY: Memoirs will walk away with at least one high-profile nomination, and this is it. Huffman's good, but too weird to get consideration. Glad to see someone else if feeling the History momentum.

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR
Paul Giamatti, Cinderella Man
William Hurt, A History Of Violence
Jake Gyllenhaal, Brokeback Mountain
Terrence Howard, Crash
George Clooney, Syriana

WHY: Not as much of a lock as Freeway suggests, I think. Despite the SAG love Howard rings more true than Cheadle for me, due to the 1-2-3 punch of awesome performances over the last year. Giamatti is a given, but Clooney could easily lose out to Matt Damon from the same movie. Hurt's the surprise nominee du jour, and well-deserved too. They always fool around with expectations in the supporting categories, after all.

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS
Catherine Keener, Capote
Rachel Weisz, The Constant Gardner
Michelle Williams, Brokeback Mountain
Frances McDormand, North Country
Scarlett Johannson, Match Point

WHY: McDormand's a vet compared to Adams' whippersnapper, and Johannson's waaay overdue. The other three seem fairly certain.

Voila. I eagerly await Freeway kicking my predictive ass for the third year in a row.




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