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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.00
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Did Brock get out of his no compete clause? I haven't been following his news after his latest talks with the WWE fell through. Wonder how many more times he'll compete in Japan.

Looks like he got some new tatoo on his chest too.

Jindrak, Haas and Morgan were there too.



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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.58
From the 10/3 issue of Dave Meltzer's Wrestling Observer:

WWE asked on 8/30 to get everything sealed in the lawsuit by Brock Lesnar and WWE's countersuit against Brock Lesnar, and on 9/20 it was so approved. So neither side is allowed to say a thing. Most likely, something happened right before 8/30 that damaged WWE's position and they were trying to keep it quiet. Judge Christopher Droney approved the order and then ordered the case to Judge William I. Garfinkel for a settlement conference. That is a loss to the WWE, as they had requested until November for discovery and it had been granted, which meant the earliest the case could be resolved was then. Something happened that is being kept under wraps, but led to WWE dropping it's attempt to keep Lesnar from wrestling until 2010 when it became clear that it was not going to be upheld. At press time it has not been fully settled, but it is clear from the settlement talks and court order that WWE can't stop Lesnar from working for New Japan (from those close to the situation, that was resolved around 9/9, just before New Japan made the announcement), and sources close to the situation say when Lesnar made the deal, he was fully aware that WWE couldn't stop him.

After some Lesnar to TNA talk, Meltzer continues:

The speculation was the WWE latest contract offer to to Lesnar was for far less than the $1 million per year downside of his original seven-year contract (Lesnar did publicly call the offer insulting, while Jim Ross in his Ross Report simply stated he felt it was very fair), and that turned into a major tactical error as it appeared they were offering him way less than the market value of his services that they themselves had established for him, and thus there was no reason to uphold the non-compete.

Meltzer goes on to say that WWE ended up sabotaging it's own case by low-balling Lesnar. If they had offered him his previous deal, the non-compete would have held up. But in trying to starve Lesnar out with a take it or leave it tact, they ended up giving Brock the perfect out to the lawsuit and having the verdict be in his favor.

As a sidenote, WWE has trademarked "F-5", so Brock has renamed it in a tribute to Vince: "The Verdict".





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New Japan ran their October 8th rally at the Tokyo Dome, claiming 38,000 paid.

Results:

1. Osamu Nishimura & Tatsumi Fujinami defeated Tomohiro Ishii & Riki Choshu in 8 minutes, 37 seconds when Nishimura used a Figure-4 Leg Lock on Ishii for the win.

2. Tatsuhito Takaiwa & Yoshito Sasaki defeated Wataru Inoue & Koji Kanemoto in 9 minutes, 3 seconds when Takaiwa used a lariat on Inoue for the win.

3. Hiroyoshi Tenzan, Naofumi Yamamoto, Takashi Iizuka, & Yutaka Yoshie defeated Kamikaze, Ryoji Sai, Kohei Sato, & Shinjiro Ohtani in 15 minutes, 5 seconds when Tenzan used the TTD (Tenzan Tombstone Driver) on Kamikaze for the win.

4. IWGP Jr. Tag Titles Match: Minoru Tanaka & Hirooki Goto defeated Negro Casas & Felino in 10 minutes, 11 seconds when Minoru pinned Felino and Goto used the Jigoku finisher on Casas at the same time for the double fall.

5. Manabu Nakanishi & Kendo Ka Shin defeated Charlie Haas & Mark Jindrak in 9 minutes, 41 seconds when Nakanishi used the Hercules Cutter on Haas for the win.

6. Matt Morgan defeated Yuji Nagata in 7 minutes with the Mount Morgan Drop (chokeslam/scrapbuster slam).

7. IWGP Jr. & NWA Jr. Heavyweight Double Titles Match: Black Tiger defeated Tiger Mask IV in 12 minutes, 1 second with the Tombstone Pile Driver.

8. Hiroshi Tanahashi & Shinsuke Nakamura defeated Yoji Anjoh & Toshiaki Kawada in 18 minutes, 11 seconds when Tanahashi used a Dragon Suplex Hold on Anjoh for the win.

9. IWGP Heavyweight Title Match: Brock Lesnar defeated Kazuyuki Fujita & Masa Chono (3-way match) in 8 minutes, 8 seconds when Lesnar used the F5 on Chono for the win.


(edited by NickBockwinkelFan on 10.10.05 0301)

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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.80
    Originally posted by NickBockwinkelFan
    From the 10/3 issue of Dave Meltzer's Wrestling Observer:

    ... But in trying to starve Lesnar out with a take it or leave it tact, they ended up giving Brock the perfect out to the lawsuit and having the verdict be in his favor


How is the verdict in Brock's favor if they reached a settlement? These types of suits 99% of the time end up in a settlement anyway, just so they don't have to go to verdict. Now, you can say the settlement was in Brock's favor, but since it was sealed, you have no way of knowing that.

I think this is a case of Meltzer trying to bring some closure to the story by finding a villain and showing someone winning. However, usually all you get with a settlement is everyone not being completely happy (ie, Brock probably had to take a lot less money than he wanted, and WWE couldn't stop Brock from competing) or unhappy with the results (ie, Brock gets to work, but WWE gets to keep him out of the US for an extended period of time).

I think most of us thought that they probably would work out some type of deal, so I think that's why the response to this story is more "meh" than "wow"

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Wow...at least this says something about wrestling in Japan. It is still big over there and still considered a respected "sport". 38,000 see Brock become the IWGP Champion seems slightly impressive to me considering some events the WWE puts on nowadays make me sad to be an wrestling fan here in America.

So, any guess on how long he's going to be champ over there?



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.05
It may be that he is signed to WWE and they are letting him work in Japan to get him matchfit again before bringing him back.

They could have a great angle where he brings the IWGP title to WWE programming and have one of the big Japanese guys come and win it off him. Superb advertising for both companies and countries.
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.46
    Originally posted by Snookum
    How is the verdict in Brock's favor if they reached a settlement?


If Brock wanted to work for people who weren't WWE and WWE wanted the opposite, I think many, Brock most of all, would consider the terms of his no-compete not holding up as a win for Lesnar. WWE preventing him from wrestling anywhere is what this was all about, after all, and now he's wrestling somewhere.
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.57
    Originally posted by Snookum
      Originally posted by NickBockwinkelFan
      From the 10/3 issue of Dave Meltzer's Wrestling Observer:

      ... But in trying to starve Lesnar out with a take it or leave it tact, they ended up giving Brock the perfect out to the lawsuit and having the verdict be in his favor


    How is the verdict in Brock's favor if they reached a settlement? These types of suits 99% of the time end up in a settlement anyway, just so they don't have to go to verdict. Now, you can say the settlement was in Brock's favor, but since it was sealed, you have no way of knowing that.




WWE's intent: Having Lesnar be unable to work for anyone else worldwide except WWE on their own terms (the compensation level WWE deems appropriate). WWE decided that their non-compete was iron clad, so Brock would have to accept their low offer or try and make money in some other venue.

Brock's intent: Same contract and a lighter road schedule from WWE or a release to enable him to work elsewhere including Japan and MMA.

Japanese wrestling revolves around 4-6 week tours with a 3 week hiatus, then another tour. This type of schedule addresses the main problem Brock had working for WWE, the non-stop road work.

The verdict/settlement is viewed as being in Brock's favor due to:
1) He's working for New Japan now
2) Not being forced to accept WWE's offer on their terms

If it was in WWE's favor, Brock would have no choice, but to work for McMahon.

The terms may not be disclosed, but it's obvious WWE did not achieve their aims of keeping Lesnar from working anywhere else but WWE.



(edited by NickBockwinkelFan on 9.10.05 1700)

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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.46
Does this make Brock Lesnar the third American to hold the IWGP Heavyweight title along with Norton and Vader? Was there anyone else? Either way, I think it puts him in the history books as one of the select few to do so.

If Lesnar ever showed up on WWE TV again as a wrestler...would his tattoo have to be mosaic-ed out?

I mean just look at it:
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#9 Posted on
You forgot the 1st IWGP champ ever... Mr. Hulk Hogan



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.28
    Originally posted by Derrick
    You forgot the 1st IWGP champ ever... Mr. Hulk Hogan


I haven't read this myself but it was told to me, The IWGP belt has on it's side plates little name plates, one for each of the former IWGP champions except Hogan. Meltzer says Inoki didn't want Hogan's name on it. While Hogan was the first IWGP champ, it was a tournament deal and not a regularly defended belt, kind of like King of the Ring (there wasn't a belt either, just a trophy IIRC). Once Hogan lost it, it became the main belt in NJPW.

(edited by y4j1981 on 9.10.05 1958)

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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.80
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by Snookum
      How is the verdict in Brock's favor if they reached a settlement?


    If Brock wanted to work for people who weren't WWE and WWE wanted the opposite, I think many, Brock most of all, would consider the terms of his no-compete not holding up as a win for Lesnar. WWE preventing him from wrestling anywhere is what this was all about, after all, and now he's wrestling somewhere.


I meant only that it was a settlement, not a verdict. Therefore Meltzer can't say the verdict was in Brock's favor.

(edited by Snookum on 9.10.05 1721)
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.51
    Originally posted by Snookum
    I meant only that it was a settlement, not a verdict. Therefore Meltzer can't say the verdict was in Brock's favor.


Two things Meltzer ain't are a legal expert and a master of the English language.

By the same token, when Brock was renaming his finisher I'm sure "The Settlement That Worked Out In My Favor" didn't occur to him.
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.46

    I meant only that it was a settlement, not a verdict. Therefore Meltzer can't say the verdict was in Brock's favor.


Ohhhhhhh sorry.
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.29
Wow, I never thought I'd see Brock Lesnar wrestle for a company other than WWE, let alone win the IWGP Heavyweight Title on his first day in the company. Can't help but notice that he didn't pin the champion, though... so you know Lesnar/Fujita is a match they're holding in reserve.

Well, because suckas gots to know... according to Solie.org and many other title history sites that I've looked up, the following foreigners (all Americans) have won the IWGP Heavyweight Title:

Big Van Vader (held the title three times beginning in 1989 and ending in 1991)

Scott Norton (won the title twice-- once in 1998 and once in 2001)

Bob Sapp (once very briefly in 2004)

and Brock Lesnar, though some sites including Solie's don't yet have that page updated with the title change. My findings seem to corroborate y4j1981's assertion that Hogan's IWGP Heavyweight Title reign was not an "official" reign, though Hogan is also commonly referred to as a former holder of the title on several of his pages.

So, in conclusion, who the fuck knows. In any event, either four or five Americans, depending on whether you count Hogan.

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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.80
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro

      I meant only that it was a settlement, not a verdict. Therefore Meltzer can't say the verdict was in Brock's favor.


    Ohhhhhhh sorry.


Well, I didn't word myself very well there either, so I can understand.
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.46
And he can't call it the F-5 anymore since WWE own the rights to that name. Its now known as "The Verdict" as a little poke towards the WWE.

And that new tattoo is not flattering.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
Pshaw. That tattoo is BAAAAD ASS.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.45
"The Settlement" isn't a bad name for a finisher...

I guess it's not surprising that they gave him the title in his first match. That's usually the "signing bonus" some people get for committing to a new organization (ie Hogan beating Flair in his first WCW match in '94).

That tattoo is unbelievably bad. I'm not an expert on tattoo art, but that's not exactly the best surface for a sword. He's stuck with that until his inevitable laser surgery, or until he gets a creative mosaic tattooed around it.
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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.29
And um...not to get weird on you guys or anything....but it looks like the top of the "sword" isn't a sword at all, but kind of uh...ah....yea.
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.19
Okay, no one ever said Brock Lesnar was a rocket scientist, and this may not be on the level of "I the real Brock Lesnar is unstoppable", but check out these post-match comments from the Pale Panther.

"Brock Lesnar came to Japan for one reason, and one reason only...and I stand before you... at this very evening... that I told you that Brock Lesnar would become the new champion of Japan... IWGP stands before you!"

I wonder if Japanese crickets sound the same as they do here.






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