That move is ridiculous. It requires the full cooperation of your opponent to do a forward flip. I can't even figure out how him flipping backwards would cause the opponent to fly that way using real physics.
It makes a damn cool wrestling move though. ^_^;
Edit: Err, that first reply totally wasn't there when I started making mine. It took me too long to write my post because I got distracted by the gif.
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I'll be damned, if you hadn't indicated otherwise, I'd have thought that was Brock Lesnar.
That move is insane. No way in hell WWE would ever let him use it. Could you imagine Triple H taking that move? Doubtful. Moves like that are cool looking but don't make much sense in the context of a match, if said match isn't purposely a spotfest.
The best finishers are usually the simplest ones. To me, the best submission finisher is the Ankle Lock. Angle sells it like hell, the opponent always has a dramatic means to escape, which gets the audience involved, and then when Angle clamps on the leg gravevine, you know it's over. For impact finishers, I think Shawn Michaels' Superkick is still the best. It can come out of nowhere and it's believable as a means to knock an opponent out.
Of course if I had my way, the Spinning Toe Hold would still be in use. I love the psychology behind the Spinning Toe Hold.
That move is retarded. It's a softer Rock Bottom. Why wouldn't you just slam the guy straight down with a ton more impact and velocity? It's like RVD doing those shoulder thrusts, and then that moronic handstand backflip, before another shoulder thrust. Only this is more dumb, because apparently it's the guy's finish.
Your best finishes are the "out of nowhere" types. DDP's diamond cutter was especially great at that, because they really sold the psychology of the move that always ends it. When they were first seriously pushing Page, he'd come out, have a match with no one of particular consequence, and basically look like he was going to lose, like he couldn't handle himself, and then POW, diamond cutter and it's all over. So that really, really put over his move and is one of the main reasons people got so into him. Orton doesn't do it properly, the way he does it shows light too often, and he often signals for it, crouching down and waxing "ready to pounce", which is all wrong for a move like that, but it's still working for him and I must say, Undertaker makes it look fantastic. Cena's move is often criticized as a weakness, but as long as people keep selling it like death it will do fine for him.
My point is, these are easy to sell and deliver. That's what makes them worthwhile.
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Agreed. When you’re talking everyday finishers, you want something that you can bust out every day, on any opponent. I think Foley mentioned that in his book, about how Taker was having a problem with his feuds because he was involved with so many big men. He physically couldn’t hit Yokozuna with a Tombstone or choke-slam. Compare that with Austin, who can hit the KICK WHAM STUNNER out of nowhere.
That'd be an impressive-looking move for a special match, but as an everyday move? No way.
Now, Hogan's My Dad- that "moronic backflip" as you call it is one of RVD's gimmick's; like when a dolphin does a short flip before going all the way for the treat hung above the dolphin tank.
(and Im an RVD fan "tee-hee!")
Seriously though, Im actually writing to say that I cant see the gif. of him doing this finisher and Im really curious, is there a link that might work or what? For me it shows a box that says, "Image removed for high bandwidth usage" with a picture of a yellow frog. Hm...
I also can not see it, but would like to if anyone knows where it can be found.
Even though I haven't seen it, let me point out that even if it's a dumb move it can be turned into something big regardless of what it is. The Stink Face, The Worm, and the People's Elbow are all ridiculously stupid.
I'm pretty sure it's been said before at some point, but I'm a believer that faces should have quick out of the blue moves to pop the crowd and heels should have moves that are slower to develop. So if this move isn't out of nowhere it's not necessarily bad if he is used as a heel. I do agree with John O. though, sometimes simple is good. The Ankle Lock is great as is the Crippler Crossface. The Super Kick is a great quick finisher, and I prefer a simple frog splash or moonsault over a 450 or shooting star press. And my favorite is the Diamond Cutter, like Hogan's My Dad said it comes out of nowhere, but also DDP figured out a way to reverse almost any move into the Diamond Cutter. It's wasting away on Orton who as it was already pointed out, doesn't do it well. But also like I said I think it's more appropiate for a face. Seems to me like part of Orton's problem is when he does it he tries to jump as high in the air as he can, rather than jump out away from the wrestler.
a double jackhammer? geez. I assume the move in that .gif (which is down as I type this) is the same as "The C4" listed in his profile, which is a described as a backflip exploder. Those sound like 2 different descriptions of the move though. I know Frankie Kazarian does a similar move (the "one man revolution" or basically a one-man version of the SAT's "spanish fly), which is usually off the top rope. is it anything like that?
Either way, sounds like the guy's got some pretty swank moves.
Originally posted by Hogan's My DadYour best finishes are the "out of nowhere" types. DDP's diamond cutter was especially great at that, because they really sold the psychology of the move that always ends it. When they were first seriously pushing Page, he'd come out, have a match with no one of particular consequence, and basically look like he was going to lose, like he couldn't handle himself, and then POW, diamond cutter and it's all over. So that really, really put over his move and is one of the main reasons people got so into him. Orton doesn't do it properly, the way he does it shows light too often, and he often signals for it, crouching down and waxing "ready to pounce", which is all wrong for a move like that, but it's still working for him and I must say, Undertaker makes it look fantastic.
Best RKO I've ever seen was from SummerSlam 2004. Great main event between Orton & Benoit where it seemed like either of them would win until Benoit mistimed a suicide dive and hit his head on the guardrail. Orton went after the neck, blocked a crossface and BAM! RKO and it's over. No signalling or bullshit posing...just BAM! and it's over.
For my money, the best finishers are the Stunner (circa 1999), the Ankle Lock & the Crossface. Simple and quick.
Birchall looks good, though. He has "The Look", now we'll have to wait and see if he's got the workrate to back it up.
Originally posted by Freeway420Best RKO I've ever seen was from SummerSlam 2004.
I also thought his reversal of the pedigree into a RKO at Survivor Series was awesome. It was so quick and surprising that you couldn't help but pop for it.
I saw Paul wrestle for FWA in the UK where he destroyed two guys with dives over the top rope to the floor and off the top and big double power moves. The crowd was going nuts. If pushed right he could be huge but im not holding my breath.
Man, I'm all psyched up now. If this guy can actually work, and Regal is used as his manager/mouthpiece, we might have a new star on our hands.
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That guy will definitely be something huge if the WWE just lets him go with the same kind of style he's using and doesnt try to put some stupid gimmick on him.
On that IGN thread, theres a video of him doing a Shooting Star Press to a man laying down on the mat... FROM THE MAT! He just *woop* flips backwards and flies forward with no regard for gravity.. it is amazing.
It would'nt be that impressive, but this guy is big- so he can deliver power moves and high-flying maneuvers that hit with all the force of a power move. I really hope that he becomes a star soon, because he definitely has the talent.
The C4 could be an occasional move, like the Brock lock or the Double Chokeslam- only done when its possible, yet it gets huge pop because its a special, rare thing.
What's the name of the move he did in this clip with the two guys on his shoulders? That's been his finisher in OVW so far. [EDIT - Ah, I see it's called the Standing Shooting Star Crunch.]
Ironically, Ken Anderson has been using the same move as the setup for his OVW finisher, the Kenton Bomb.
BTW, the clips look nothing like Burchall does now. He actually looks a bit like HHH now, oddly enough. Having seen him for some time now in OVW (in fact, he came outside to greet fans before the show last night along wiht Seth Skyfire, Rob Dawber and Dean Visk), I could see him working quite well with Regal. But to make up for that logic, they'll have to give him a stumpy leg or some type of pirate persona to make him suck juuuuuust right for new WWE people.
Originally posted by Freeway420Best RKO I've ever seen was from SummerSlam 2004. Great main event between Orton & Benoit where it seemed like either of them would win until Benoit mistimed a suicide dive and hit his head on the guardrail. Orton went after the neck, blocked a crossface and BAM! RKO and it's over.
The ramifications of this particular RKO made me vomit in rage, but it was well-done on both their parts.
And as for that double dragon double suplex it looks okay, but how many guys are gonna volunteer to be dunked right on their necks like that. If he can't protect the safety of his opponents with certain moves, he shouldn't do them; period.
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Dare I say that some of these moves, say the C4, might just be too badass? They're visually impressive enough (like the standing SSP) that they should be saved for special occasions, like Brock's WM SSP or at least, for a time, Taker's Tombstone (back around the whole "stop breaking each other's neck" era). So long as he doesn't piss the wrong people off, he should be huge.
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