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|  #1 Posted on 31.12.04 1329.01 | Instant Rating: 4.75 |
WWE.com has a history of the Cruiserweight championship up. It's pretty interesting piece/
http://www.wwe.com/inside/title_history/cruiserweight/
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| #2 Posted on 31.12.04 1416.16 | Instant Rating: 4.24 | Interesting that they incorporated the WCW Lightheavyweight and WCW cruiserweight title lineages into the belt's history. No WWF/E lightheavyweight title lineage to speak of.
I guess they will do the same thing and include the NWA/WCW US Title lineages into the WWE US Title history.
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| #3 Posted on 31.12.04 1422.14 | Instant Rating: 8.65 | "Since that time, several other questionable decisions were made, most notably when both Lenny Lane and The Artist were stripped of their championships in controversial fashion."
Hahahaha.
The funny thing was when they blew off the Alliance angle, consolidated the belts, and took half the guys off TV. The LHW and CW titles were never merged. I believe X-Pac just disappeared with the WWF lightheavyweight belt and when he came back to join the NWO, he didn't bring it with him. Tajiri secretly carried the WCW cruiserweight title around with him for defenses on Shotgun or Metal or whatever. Then after the split, it was brought back to main TV for half-hearted attempt #47 at building a cruiser division around the Tajiri/Kidman feud. The LHW belt simply vanished, only to return, hopefully, for cameos in X-Pac/Chyna sex tapes. | TheBucsFan
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| #4 Posted on 31.12.04 1424.34 | Instant Rating: 4.42 | They were merged, X-Pac beat Kidman to unify them.
Look on the short about X-Pacs title reign on there, it says they were unified.
That may be "WWE History," I don't remember. But WWE does say they were unified.
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| #5 Posted on 31.12.04 1426.00 | Instant Rating: 5.12 | Originally posted by The Vile1
Interesting that they incorporated the WCW Lightheavyweight and WCW cruiserweight title lineages into the belt's history. No WWF/E lightheavyweight title lineage to speak of.
I guess they will do the same thing and include the NWA/WCW US Title lineages into the WWE US Title history.
The reasoning is this. The WWF Light-Heavyweight Title was shut down in late 2001. Tajiri held the cruiserweight title, while X-Pac held the the LHW title. X-Pac went down to an injury (I want to say against Jericho), so the belt was simply dismissed while Tajiri's title became the "undisputed title" when the other titles were folded together.
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|  #6 Posted on 31.12.04 1439.45 | Instant Rating: 5.95 | The "official" line (at the time, at least) is that all WCW titles were wiped out after the Alliance lost the winner-take-all match at Survivor Series 2001. However, Tajiri (a WWF guy) held a WCW title, so he was allowed to keep his belt. X-Pac was also a WWF guy...but he was injured and never mentioned on TV, so they just started calling the Cruiserweight Title the WWF Cruiserweight Title.
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| #7 Posted on 31.12.04 1627.16 | Instant Rating: 8.65 | "They were merged, X-Pac beat Kidman to unify them.
Look on the short about X-Pacs title reign on there, it says they were unified.
That may be "WWE History," I don't remember. But WWE does say they were unified."
Well, they were unified in August and then de-unified in October when Kidman beat X-Pac for just the WCW belt. Pac was still running around with the WWF belt before disappearing and Kidman lost the WCW belt to Tajiri. But for peace of mind I guess you can just assume otherwise. | thecubsfan
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| #8 Posted on 31.12.04 1652.59 | Instant Rating: 10.00 | This is kinda dumb. The WCW LH title (and for that matter, really the WWF LH title) have nothing to do with the WCW/WWE cruiserweight title, and shoe horning them in here just makes everything less credible. If they were being goofy, they might as well have strung in the old WWF LH belt and the NWA LH belt while they were at it.
Pretending it was the WCW Cruiserweight Title from the beginning is kinda unfair for whoever had the savvy idea to call the new belt "Cruiserweight" instead of the typical but lamer "light heavyweight."
I wish the info bits were more than just "x beat y for the title at xxxx", because you already hvae that information.
On WWF LH/WCW Cruiserweight Unification: this is how I have it
07/05/01 SD!: Billy Kidman beats "Hollywood"? Shane Helms for the WCW CW
07/15/01 HEAT: Kidman beats K-Kwik to keep the WCW CW belt
07/30/01 RAW: LH champ X-Pac beats CW champ Kidman for both belts
08/06/01 RAW: Tajiri beats X-Pac in a match only for the LH Title
08/19/01 SummerSlam: CW Champion X-Pac beats LH Champion Tajiri for both belts; titles unifed for a second time
10/11/01 SD!: Kidman beats X-Pac for only the CW Title
X-Pac disappears, taking the belt with him.
10/22/01 RAW: Tajiri beats Kidman for the CW Title
Looking back at it now, it seems like they were going to phase out the Cruiserweight belt initially, and had a pivotial change of heart at what turned out to be the last second. Didn't feel that way at the time, but it was strange how they were being defended seperately for no discernible storyline reason.
Last I heard, X-Pac still had the physical WWF LH belt in his house or wherever. Maybe it's in the movie? (I'm not going to find out.)
The belt was called "the Cruiserweight title" from Survivor Series to the brand split, only after becoming a WWE title. It was all very murky, because they changed physical belts during the dark period, including a couple week stretch where Tajiri was Cruiserweight champion, but of no promotion and with no physical belt. (I'm pretty sure it's because no one in charge cared that much.)
on the Lenny->Psi->Disco switch In an equally baffling move, WCW then gave the title to Psicosis - again, without offering explanation.
They said Psicosis had won the title since we last saw it. It's not a good explaination, but it is one.
A relative newcomer to WCW, Chris Candido - formerly known as Skip in WWE
Are they saying he might be more well known as Skip? Ouch.
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| #9 Posted on 31.12.04 1729.44 | Instant Rating: 1.11 | They said Psicosis defeated Lenny Lane in Rio de Janeiro.
If ruins credibility, then the IC title never had any.
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| #10 Posted on 31.12.04 1732.41 | Instant Rating: 7.68 | Didn't then-commissioner Mick Foley say, like the week before Survivor Series '01, something along the lines that X-Pac has been out for a while, and "who cares if he ever comes back?" as a way to explain how Tajiri had the remaining cruiser/light heavyweight title? I distinctly remember that interview....
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| #11 Posted on 31.12.04 1750.31 | Instant Rating: 5.95 | Originally posted by CRZ's November 12th, 2001 RAW recap
"Now I guess maybe I should be consolidating the WWF Light-Heavyweight and the WCW Cruiserweight champion, there's only one problem: X-Pac's MIA, nobody knows where he is and...not a whole lot of people seem to care." - Mick Foley
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| #12 Posted on 31.12.04 1803.59 | Instant Rating: 7.68 | Thanks for clearing that up (hey, I was close). The important thing is that I didn't imagine it....
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| #13 Posted on 31.12.04 1923.12 | Instant Rating: 5.54 | Well, since I'm a total mark for title histories, it's interesting that you bring up older versions of lightheavyweight/juniorheavyweight titles. So, if you all won't mind a bit of confusion (and I hope this isn't off point), how about this for some food for thought:
The WWE Cruiserweight Championship as it is today, having been unified to the now-defunct WWF Lightheavyweight Title, has a lineage that does indeed extend back to the days of Tatsumi Fujinami, Tiger Mask, Dynamite Kid and The Cobra in the early 1980s!!!
Now this is interesting (and Great Hisa's site, puroresu.com is the source for all of this info)-- even though the WWF and New Japan Pro Wrestling had severed ties in the early-mid 1980s, New Japan continued to recognize the WWF's version of the World Lightheavyweight Title. When the J-Crown Octuple Title was established in 1996, New Japan wrestler El Samurai defended the WWF belt in the tournament to unify all the championships.
As history has it, Great Sasuke unified all of the titles. Hence, from that point until the dissolution of the J-Crown, all of these belts' lineages tied in together.
Now, Ultimo Dragon beat Great Sasuke in late 1996 and held the eight belts until 1997 when he was then defeated by Jushin Liger. El Samurai regained the titles from Liger later that year, only to be defeated by Shinjiro Ohtani shortly thereafter. So until the latter half of 1997, Ultimo Dragon and Ohtani, wrestlers assoiated with WCW at a certain point or another, were WWF champions, and in the whole time that the J-Crown was being defended in WCW by Ultimo a year before Ohtani was essentially stripped, WCW had a WWF title in their organization and didn't either (1) realize it or (2) recognize it! In fact, according to Hisa's site:
Shinjiro Ohtani (who won the belt on 97/08/10) in Nagoya, JAPAN--
Vacates WWF World Light Heavyweight Title on 97/11/05 after being forced by WWF; vacates all other titles on the same day except IWGP Junior Heavyweight Title.
And from there, the WWF took back its Lightheavyweight Title, and the rest, as they say, is history.
My gosh! WCW NEVER TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE FACT THAT THEY HAD WWF GOLD IN THEIR AUSPICES! And in the midst of the Monday Night Wars, ammunition such as that would have been MORE THAN useful!
And to think that WCW, with their braintrust, could have ever gone out of business. For shame.[/sarcasm]
So in reality, the championship that doesn't belong in WWE's Cruiserweight Title lineage is the WCW version of the Lightheavyweight Title that existed from 1991-1992.
It can even be argued that the NWA Juniorheavyweight Title and the other belts' lineage in the short time the J-Crown Octuple Title was defended are linked to the WWE Cruiserweight Title today. How's THAT for convoluted title history? 
Methinks WWE could include this info on their website somehow.
Here's the link to Great Hisa's site:
http://www.wrestling-titles.com/japan/newjapan/jcrown.html
Hope this helps and/or confuses! 
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| #14 Posted on 31.12.04 1924.07 | Instant Rating: 0.67 | Where was Lazor Tron on the list? Wasen't the title he held called the WCW/NWA Cruiserweight championship?
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|  #15 Posted on 1.1.05 0541.41 | The thing that really gets me about WWE's explanation of the current CW champonship's credibility is this particularly puzzling part
(In addition to all this (controversy), the Cruiserweight Championship also found its way around the waists of the likes of Madusa and Oklahoma. It is because of the recent efforts of Superstars such as Billy Kidman, Rey Mysterio and Tajiri that the Cruiserweight Championship is held in such high regard.)
Yet, Jacqueline and Chavo Classic sit as 2 of the last 6 champs.
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| #16 Posted on 1.1.05 2324.32 | Instant Rating: 3.09 | Originally posted by thecubsfan
Last I heard, X-Pac still had the physical WWF LH belt in his house or wherever. Maybe it's in the movie? (I'm not going to find out.)
I seem to recall the belt being auctioned off during TNA's early days (other auctions included a fishing trip with Jerry Jarrett) when Waltman was a regular there.
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| #17 Posted on 2.1.05 1400.48 | Instant Rating: 1.83 | | So out of curiosity, unless I've missed something, how does the WCW Lightheavyweight Title become a part of this lineage? | The Vile1
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| #18 Posted on 2.1.05 1406.47 | Instant Rating: 4.24 | Well I think the WCW Cruiserweight title was considered to be a revived lineage for the WCW Lightheavyweight title which kind of disappeared in the early 90's.
But notice the world heavyweight title lineage starts with HHH in 2002 and doesn't count the various "world title" changes during and after the alliance angle, nor its NWA/WCW history. I'm just saying, you think if they are claiming the WCW history for their cruiserweight and US titles they'd want to do it for the world title as well.
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| #19 Posted on 2.1.05 1435.44 | Instant Rating: 4.42 | Originally posted by The Vile1
Well I think the WCW Cruiserweight title was considered to be a revived lineage for the WCW Lightheavyweight title which kind of disappeared in the early 90's.
But notice the world heavyweight title lineage starts with HHH in 2002 and doesn't count the various "world title" changes during and after the alliance angle, nor its NWA/WCW history. I'm just saying, you think if they are claiming the WCW history for their cruiserweight and US titles they'd want to do it for the world title as well.
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| #20 Posted on 2.1.05 1919.17 | Instant Rating: 1.83 | Originally posted by The Vile1
Well I think the WCW Cruiserweight title was considered to be a revived lineage for the WCW Lightheavyweight title which kind of disappeared in the early 90's.
But notice the world heavyweight title lineage starts with HHH in 2002 and doesn't count the various "world title" changes during and after the alliance angle, nor its NWA/WCW history. I'm just saying, you think if they are claiming the WCW history for their cruiserweight and US titles they'd want to do it for the world title as well.
Well, the thing with the Cruiserweight Title, as opposed to the US or WCW Titles, is that it has a continuous lineage back to 1996; there's really no disputing that it's the same belt. The other two -- not so much.
But my question, for anyone that watched at the time, is did WCW acknowledge that the cruiserweight title was the revived light heavyweight title? Or waqs it supposed to be a new championship? | | Pages: 1 2 Next
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