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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.62
According to Fox, the Cubbies just acquired Nomar in a really complicated four team deal that hasn't been fully explained yet.
http://msn.foxsports.com/story/2626402

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I've wanted the Sox to trade him all season and was completely expecting it all along, but now that it's actually happened.... I'm shocked. Life without Nomar in Boston will certainly take some getting used to...

(edited by timdrake on 31.7.04 1731)
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.53
ESPN.com breaks it down here...

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1849988





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The Tribune has the deal as this :



    Shortstop Nomar Garciaparra, minor league outfielder Matt Murton and cash from the Sox to the Cubs.

    Shortstop Orlando Cabrera from the Montreal Expos and first baseman Doug Mientkiewicz from the Minnesota Twins to the Red Sox

    Shortstop Alex Gonzalez, relief pitcher Francis Beltran and infielder Brendan Harris from Chicago to Montreal.

    Minor league lefthander Justin Jones from the Cubs to the Twins.


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In the off-season, we could have traded Nomar for Magglio Ordonez. A month ago, it was Nomar for prospects to swing for Randy Johnson. Up until a few hours ago, it was Matt Clement. Now, we get Orlando Cabrera and Doug Mienkewicz for Nomar and a prospect? This is idiocy. At least they could have gotten a highly touted prospect to help sell the deal, but instead they give up a prospect.
Since there isn't a thread yet for this trade, I'd like to invoke the Jim Cornette Seven Year Rule and congratulate Jerry Reisndorf on changing the name of his ballclub from the While Sox to White Flag yet again.
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I can't believe we got him without having to give up Felix Pie, Angel Guzman, or Matt Clement. We gave up some nice young guys for Cabrera to move to Boston, but still. To get noMAH and keep Clement and his devil's beard is just...outstanding.



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I'd say the Cubs made out really well in this deal. Giving up Gonzalez is nothing, Beltran and Harris were decent prospects, but having a hitter like Nomar is well worth it. Gonzalez was a huge hole in their lineup this season, and a run at the wild card is an excellent possibility now. If they can make it to the postseason, like in years past, anything can happen. Jim Hendry is the best GM they've had in years, and definitely top 5 in the league.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.08
    Originally posted by timdrake
    [...] but now that it's actually happened.... I'm shocked. Life without Nomar in Boston will certainly take some getting used to...


This is exactly how I feel. I am shocked they traded him. Also adding to the fact, that as of last night he was hurting from the Achillies injury. Though I do feel bad for Doug Mientkiewicz who now has to play against his former team right away (tonight?, maybe tomorrow?). But the last line of the ESPN report is the one that gets me.


    Originally posted by ESPN
    Mientkiewicz is hitting .246 with five homers and 25 RBIs and is known for a good glove, something the Red Sox need at first base.


How is this different from David McCarty?



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.93
    Originally posted by The Big Kat
    I'd say the Cubs made out really well in this deal.


This is an understatement. Made out like bandits is more accurate.



    Jim Hendry is the best GM they've had in years, and definitely top 5 in the league.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.41

I hope we don't have to wait until Monday for a Bill Simmons column on this.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.21
The Red Sox really needed to move on. Nomar sitting out the whole 12 inning game against the Yankees was the icing on the cake, the man just didn't want to be there anymore. The Sox still have Manny and Ortiz to go along with a good cast of hitters on offense, and their defense just got a whole lot better. There have been a lot of extended innings for Boston opponets because of booted balls and bad tosses. Also Cabrera is a pretty damn good shortstop who will only be better now that he has some protection. Not only that Boston goes into a big off season with one less headache to worry about.

The Cubs made out bigtime as well. They get the ultimate Rent-A-Player and give up nothing that hurts them in the near future.

(edited by Tony Stewart on 31.7.04 2133)
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    Originally posted by Tony Stewart
    Not only that Boston goes into a big off season with one less headache to worry about.


Cabrera's contract is up at the end of the year, too.



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I'm so excited that the Cubs are trying for goodness sake. Back in '84 when they went and got Sutcliff, that had to be the first trade deadline trade the Cubbies ever made!

This looks like a good one to me. I liked Agon, but he wasn't exactly awesome. Now, Michael Barrett wears 5, so does Nomar get that, or does he do a 55, or does he take 4? (8 is also now available).

Nomar is going to really find out what it is like to be adored. Especially if he takes us to the Series.



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    Originally posted by AWArulz
    I'm so excited that the Cubs are trying for goodness sake. Back in '84 when they went and got Sutcliff, that had to be the first trade deadline trade the Cubbies ever made!

    This looks like a good one to me. I liked Agon, but he wasn't exactly awesome. Now, Michael Barrett wears 5, so does Nomar get that, or does he do a 55, or does he take 4? (8 is also now available).

    Nomar is going to really find out what it is like to be adored. Especially if he takes us to the Series.


As a Cardinals fan, I am mixed here. I really don't see the Cubs, or anyone in the NL for that matter, as a threat right now, Nomar or otherwise (Note: I am dreading a August/September pitching collapse the way many others have been predicting, so this is open to change). But if the Cards and Cubs meet in the NLCS (because the idiots doing the schedule had the two play all their games BEFORE AUGUST), Nomar wouold be a GREAT addition to an already-intense rivalry, an addition that scares me with its potential.

So i short, Nomar is a good player, which=good rivalry. But, Nomar is a good player, which=threat to Cards if their pitching drops off. But I can't wait to see the response if he ever makes it to Busch Stadium in a Cubs uni.
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.88
    Originally posted by gugs
      Originally posted by Tony Stewart
      Not only that Boston goes into a big off season with one less headache to worry about.


    Cabrera's contract is up at the end of the year, too.


Yeah, but he's not going to be expecting Jeter-type money to resign.



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Eh, it's a great deal for the Cubs if they can keep Nomar, what are the chances that he re-signs with them? Otherwise, I don't think it helps them, they're not making the playoffs with or without Nomar.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.33
Kudos for the Cubs for picking up a high calibre shortstop. Being an Expos fan, I can atest to the fact that Cabrera is within the upper echelons of high quality shortstops. He's got a bright future.

Beltran is a good pickup. But now we have a gapping hole at short cause Alex Gonzo is not Orlando =(

But hey, at least we still have Vidro!

(edited by El Nastio on 1.8.04 1119)



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.93
    Originally posted by Quezzy
    Eh, it's a great deal for the Cubs if they can keep Nomar, what are the chances that he re-signs with them? Otherwise, I don't think it helps them, they're not making the playoffs with or without Nomar.


Yes, they are making the playoffs.

And it depends what they do with their option on Alou. They're saving nearly five million by trading away Gonzalez, and the option on Alou's contract is either 9 or 9.5 million. It is very possible that they could resign him.



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.88
    Originally posted by Whitebacon
      Originally posted by Quezzy
      Eh, it's a great deal for the Cubs if they can keep Nomar, what are the chances that he re-signs with them? Otherwise, I don't think it helps them, they're not making the playoffs with or without Nomar.


    Yes, they are making the playoffs.

    And it depends what they do with their option on Alou. They're saving nearly five million by trading away Gonzalez, and the option on Alou's contract is either 9 or 9.5 million. It is very possible that they could resign him.


Maybe, maybe not. He already turned down a 4yr/$62M deal from the Red Sox last year (which was one of the reasons the Sox pursued A-Rod). Will the Cubs give him the same offer? And would he still take it? I think Nomar most likely goes home to LA with a slight chance he signs with the Yanks.

Oh BTW, to quote Big Bad from the Ricky Williams retires thread....

"Two words: Ewing Theory"



(edited by BOSsportsfan34 on 1.8.04 1555)


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