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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
WWE Still Considering Bringing Back ECW!!!!

Latest on possible third WWE brand...

Talk continues that Vince McMahon may give the greenlight to revive the ECW brand name following WrestleMania XX. The idea right now is to have Paul Heyman get fired from Smackdown and start ECW as a rebel brand. The thinking is that most of the ex-ECW wrestlers will work on the new ECW brand. WWE would promote ECW as a "rebel" brand and not one of their official brands. Shane McMahon may also get involved in this story if it happens, using his power to help Heyman start the rebel ECW group. WWE would keep the budget low for the ECW brand and would eventually expect to run one PPV per quarter for it. The brand would likely get a one hour weekly TV show, probably on Saturday night.

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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.91
What are your sources for this titillating information?



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.38
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
sorry its from 411wrestling.com
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.38
My apologies for doubting you snyper. That would be awesome if it happened.
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
no prob jerk it is so cool that I see why its so hard to believe i couldnt believ it either but RVD hinted on it on a couple of interviews so I hope it happens and soon.
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.38
you are right, i did read those Van Dam interviews, he said something to the effect of "it would be cool to see Sabu, Sandman and New Jack again", and also entioned how his best match was with Jerry Lynn. It's about time it happens. The only concern I have is that even though it's the Torch as the source of the info, other websites aren't reporting it. I hope Shane isn't involved though. Imagine the possibility of seeing stuff like Masato Tanaka vs Mike Awesome, RVD vs Lynn, and even...the real ECW TAZ!
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
jerk by far you are the coolset guy on this board half these guys think RVD is that surfer clown they make him out to be and not the cockiest son of a bitch on earth(and most Talanted).i just want mikey whippwreck and tajiri vs the fbi and super crazy and nova one time.oh and for the hell of it a tope rope Awesome Bomb. hehe

(edited by snyperstyle on 6.3.04 2340)
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Since: 17.2.03
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.54
I've been watching a lot of World Class from 82-83 lately.

"WTF does that have to do with anything?!?!"
- ADD kidz

Even when World Class was red hot drawing 18,000 fans
every few months at Reunion Arena and drawing 8,000
rabid fans in between at Tarrant County Convention
Center in Fort Worth, they had what modern fans would
think of as a very small roster, about 20 or so active
wrestlers. The roster was so small that often the
Von Erichs and Freebirds would work singles matches
in the undercard, then work a six man (or more) tag
in the semi-main or main event.

"WTF is this post about?!?!"
- ADD kidz

My point here is that regional promotions were able
to function well and draw _huge crowds_ using an
incredibly small roster of talent. Sure, acts like
the Freebirds and Von Erichs aren't easy to find,
but if a promoter does find a talented core, he only
needs to swap out three or four other workers per
month to keep the product from getting too stale.

Such was the power of regional promotions with
focused storylines full of familiar faces. And
we saw the same thing with the old ECW, though
not drawing anything like the crowds in Dallas.

What ECW needed wasn't guest appearances by the
Undertaker. That stuff killed Smokey Mountain.
What ECW needed was six month loans of people
with size and talent who they could build up on
their smaller stage like a developmental territory.

"My head hurts!! CRZ, do your thing with this!!"
- ADD kidz

The split has proven a number of things. One of
them is that the WWE cannot generate enough new
talent from within to effectively fill the number
of TV hours or house shows they want to run.
They desperately need a system of territorial
promotions where they can develop talent slowly
and recycle wrestlers who aren't effective on
either RAW or SmackDown!

Not all of these territories need television.
I'd suggest signing deals with groups like
Pro Wrestling Iron who would represent the
A-ball level of minor league baseball, with
Ohio Valley as Double A and a newly constituted
ECW as Triple A. Make these "indy" promotions
pay their own way through training fees, but
also send them talent and prospects. Let them
choose their own individual style of product
so that by moving prospects around you can
give them a variety of different experiences.

More likely ECW will be a "WWE Adult" brand
where choads like Undertaker come in and
squash the "local" stars to feel better
about themselves.

Frank
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
I hope youre wrong boston.
Bring back Taz!!! with one Z.And the katahajime(Tazmission) suplex thru a table.

(edited by snyperstyle on 6.3.04 2346)
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.54
I hope so too.

I don't want to sound overly critical,
but as talented and well built as some
of the young guys in the WWE are today,
they seem awfully green compared to the
stars Vince used when he took the company
national in the eighties.

OVW is a nice concept, but the WWE needs
about five feeder promotions at different
levels and they need to plan on it taking
four years to develop a prospect into a
ready for prime time star.

I'm not going to argue that someone like
Cena doesn't have fans, but he has been
needlessly overexposed given his relative
lack of experience... and he's the good news.

The bad news is guys like Batista or Jones
who make the company look like a bad joke.

Part of the problem is trying to find
enough talent to fill RAW and SD now that
the roster has been split, but another
part of the problem is only having OVW
as a developmental channel. Under that
model the WWE quickly reaches a point
of having to decided whether to bring
someone up to the big show or cut him.
There is no other place to send him.

Baba signed Tenryu in the mid-seventies.
He sent him to Memphis, Georgia, Carolina,
and I think even Florida for seasoning.
Tenryu kept coming back to Japan and
sucking in the ring, so Baba kept sending
him out to different territories. As a
result Tenryu was exposed to many styles
and many workers and eventually was
decent enough to pair with Jumbo in a
tag team. The rest is history.

If ECW provides a different option from
OVW with a different style and roster
then it would be a good thing. If it's
good enough it could even replace the
no-name filler on a weekend show.

Frank
jerkflavorkoolaid
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.38
I just hope they don't screw it up like the Invasion angle. I hope they tease it at Wrestlemania and let it loose on RAW the next night. That would be cool if somehow the Eliminators would reunite.
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
Total Elimination the only tag team move as hot as 3d.Well its a brand not an angle and if they give Heyman(Paul E. Dangerously hehe)creative control like theyre considering its gonna be fun.

(edited by snyperstyle on 7.3.04 0008)
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.73
They couldn't screw it up like the Invasion angle because the expectations will be much lower. ECW was a cult program for demented perverts who liked seeing ridiculous amounts of violence and women being thrown through tables. This is not going to work. Vince tried to do this with "shotgun saturday night" and he failed miserably. You guys have to understand that it's still going to be WWE, and it will still look and feel like a WWE show because WWE is producing it.

That's assuming they even decide to do it which I personally don't think they have the roster depth for.

Let's leave the past behind us. We bitch when they bring back out wrestlers, but an old company with such an overwhelming fan base it went bankrupt, this is a prospective gold mine? Bitch, please...



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
I think I am going to have to disagree. ECW just needs to be gone and remembered fondly. It wouldn't be the same and it wouldn't be done the same. Besides, I don't think all of the guys would want to work for Vince and be limited.

They screwed up Jerry Lynn.

Sabu is too popular. As well as he is always touring.

Sandman is in TNA, and probably doesn't want to have the heavy schedule because he is semi-retired.

And Taz, he said himself he lost the fire, though I think that Taz could have been really cool and wish they would have just let him be himself instead of drown him in the Hardcore division.

There is just too much WWE TV right now, it would be too much for ECW. We need to just let it rest. Besides, would it have a separate World Title? We need one World Champion, not three.

However, it was brought up by an earlier post about the territories, for some reason, it seems like if promoters were smart, they would try and re-invent that, if possible. I mean, let the WWE be a juggernaut, but if some of these companies, 3PW, ROH (if it is still going to exist), UPW, and others unite and either join the NWA or have the owners group off, it could be cool and yea it would suck for the wrestlers, but they would be a lot less green because they get the experience.

But that do I know...really...

Later.

(edited by XManiac24 on 7.3.04 0213)

(edited by XManiac24 on 7.3.04 0213)
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
u guys are out of your mind and the reason ECW went bankrupt was because mcmahon stole all the talent and their tv.u guys r just misinformed and clearly not real wrestling fans.
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.08
No, ECW went bankrupt because Heyman has absolutely no concept of how to manage money. ECW slowly declined after their money man pulled out of the organization. And really, it was WCW who was raiding their talent. Raven, Sandman, Richards, Saturn, Wipreck were all picked up by WCW. As for the t.v. deal, ECW and TNN never got along, even though ECW was performing above the necessary level for their contract. When the WWF moved to TNN, they actually had a clause in the contract to allow ECW to finish their run on TNN, but ECW opted out of their contract early. If the WWF stole anything, it was ECW's attitude.

(edited by Tenken347 on 7.3.04 0510)
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.27
It sounds cool and all but I see some problems with it.
You might believe we are talking bs and not know a thing about wrestling but I believe you live in a dream world.

1. Tazz has been retired now for a few years, has obviously gained a few pounds and has severe necktrouble. I doubt if he even -wants- to wrestle. He is the best announcer they have and has a good steady job w/o the risk.
Many other wrestlers (Eliminators for instance) are near retirement or are already retired.

2. Getting all the current ECW guys from the Raw/SD roster would deplete the other two. And where do you draw the line? 50-75% of the roster was with ECW at one point.

3. Some of the "old ECW gang" are well..not really all that.
I don't have to see New Jack again, or Balls Mahoney or Sandman. ofcourse that is just an opinion, but what if many feel like me? It might be doomed from the start.

4. No matter how you produce or build it, it will always be WWE presents: ECW!.
If they make it low-budget, shot in a crappy bingohall every week it basically gives the production company a bad name, and I am sure people will bitch that they try to make it look genuine but it is not.
if they give it the WWE look (good arenas, good production) it will not have the ECW feel at all.

5. So far EVERY retro fad has failed. NWO, DX, ECW/WCW invasions..in one way or the other they have all failed.
Not only because WWE mishandled it, but because it can NEVER live up to the originals. Our memories always make things more perfect and to see things rehashed never lives up to those memories. I don't see why this should work as well as ECW once did.

Oh btw, Snyperstyle. Saying others don't know what they are talking about and not wrestling fans won't help you very much in having an interesting discussion about wrestling.



*sigh* Why bother?
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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.63
The only it could possibly work is if WWE created ECW for dirt cheap.

For example: Tape their shows before Raw and/or SmackDown tapings, and make each hourly TV show (I'm assuming the plan would be to have a TV show) half classic ECW matches and half new stuff, at least for the first little while.

Do NOT put this on PPV, even a few times a year. The buyrates weren't stellar when everyone loved the ECW concept. A watered-down, more censored version with likely older wrestlers on the roster just wouldn't draw better, even WITH the benefit of free WWE advertising all over the place.

Like the brand split (okay, up until a few months ago), keep the ECW folks as separate as possible from the other shows, unless its absolutely necessary for a storyline.

That said, I bet that ECW DVD scheduled for June will be the true test. Perhaps they'll start the separate brand for them prior to that (though I'm skeptical), but unless McMahon can get people excited enough for the classic ECW stuff, why would put any effort in starting the whole thing up again?



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.11
Iīll believe that one when itīs officially anounced!

BUT: If itīs indeed gonna happen - Will Rhyno still be their champ? He never lost the belt, did he?

Anyway: Iīd rather like to see a tournament for that gold with RVD becoming the first WWECW champion ever!



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