Talk continues that Vince McMahon may give the greenlight to revive the ECW brand name following WrestleMania XX. The idea right now is to have Paul Heyman get fired from Smackdown and start ECW as a rebel brand. The thinking is that most of the ex-ECW wrestlers will work on the new ECW brand. WWE would promote ECW as a "rebel" brand and not one of their official brands. Shane McMahon may also get involved in this story if it happens, using his power to help Heyman start the rebel ECW group. WWE would keep the budget low for the ECW brand and would eventually expect to run one PPV per quarter for it. The brand would likely get a one hour weekly TV show, probably on Saturday night.
you are right, i did read those Van Dam interviews, he said something to the effect of "it would be cool to see Sabu, Sandman and New Jack again", and also entioned how his best match was with Jerry Lynn. It's about time it happens. The only concern I have is that even though it's the Torch as the source of the info, other websites aren't reporting it. I hope Shane isn't involved though. Imagine the possibility of seeing stuff like Masato Tanaka vs Mike Awesome, RVD vs Lynn, and even...the real ECW TAZ!
jerk by far you are the coolset guy on this board half these guys think RVD is that surfer clown they make him out to be and not the cockiest son of a bitch on earth(and most Talanted).i just want mikey whippwreck and tajiri vs the fbi and super crazy and nova one time.oh and for the hell of it a tope rope Awesome Bomb. hehe
I've been watching a lot of World Class from 82-83 lately.
"WTF does that have to do with anything?!?!" - ADD kidz
Even when World Class was red hot drawing 18,000 fans every few months at Reunion Arena and drawing 8,000 rabid fans in between at Tarrant County Convention Center in Fort Worth, they had what modern fans would think of as a very small roster, about 20 or so active wrestlers. The roster was so small that often the Von Erichs and Freebirds would work singles matches in the undercard, then work a six man (or more) tag in the semi-main or main event.
"WTF is this post about?!?!" - ADD kidz
My point here is that regional promotions were able to function well and draw _huge crowds_ using an incredibly small roster of talent. Sure, acts like the Freebirds and Von Erichs aren't easy to find, but if a promoter does find a talented core, he only needs to swap out three or four other workers per month to keep the product from getting too stale.
Such was the power of regional promotions with focused storylines full of familiar faces. And we saw the same thing with the old ECW, though not drawing anything like the crowds in Dallas.
What ECW needed wasn't guest appearances by the Undertaker. That stuff killed Smokey Mountain. What ECW needed was six month loans of people with size and talent who they could build up on their smaller stage like a developmental territory.
"My head hurts!! CRZ, do your thing with this!!" - ADD kidz
The split has proven a number of things. One of them is that the WWE cannot generate enough new talent from within to effectively fill the number of TV hours or house shows they want to run. They desperately need a system of territorial promotions where they can develop talent slowly and recycle wrestlers who aren't effective on either RAW or SmackDown!
Not all of these territories need television. I'd suggest signing deals with groups like Pro Wrestling Iron who would represent the A-ball level of minor league baseball, with Ohio Valley as Double A and a newly constituted ECW as Triple A. Make these "indy" promotions pay their own way through training fees, but also send them talent and prospects. Let them choose their own individual style of product so that by moving prospects around you can give them a variety of different experiences.
More likely ECW will be a "WWE Adult" brand where choads like Undertaker come in and squash the "local" stars to feel better about themselves.
I don't want to sound overly critical, but as talented and well built as some of the young guys in the WWE are today, they seem awfully green compared to the stars Vince used when he took the company national in the eighties.
OVW is a nice concept, but the WWE needs about five feeder promotions at different levels and they need to plan on it taking four years to develop a prospect into a ready for prime time star.
I'm not going to argue that someone like Cena doesn't have fans, but he has been needlessly overexposed given his relative lack of experience... and he's the good news.
The bad news is guys like Batista or Jones who make the company look like a bad joke.
Part of the problem is trying to find enough talent to fill RAW and SD now that the roster has been split, but another part of the problem is only having OVW as a developmental channel. Under that model the WWE quickly reaches a point of having to decided whether to bring someone up to the big show or cut him. There is no other place to send him.
Baba signed Tenryu in the mid-seventies. He sent him to Memphis, Georgia, Carolina, and I think even Florida for seasoning. Tenryu kept coming back to Japan and sucking in the ring, so Baba kept sending him out to different territories. As a result Tenryu was exposed to many styles and many workers and eventually was decent enough to pair with Jumbo in a tag team. The rest is history.
If ECW provides a different option from OVW with a different style and roster then it would be a good thing. If it's good enough it could even replace the no-name filler on a weekend show.
They couldn't screw it up like the Invasion angle because the expectations will be much lower. ECW was a cult program for demented perverts who liked seeing ridiculous amounts of violence and women being thrown through tables. This is not going to work. Vince tried to do this with "shotgun saturday night" and he failed miserably. You guys have to understand that it's still going to be WWE, and it will still look and feel like a WWE show because WWE is producing it.
That's assuming they even decide to do it which I personally don't think they have the roster depth for.
Let's leave the past behind us. We bitch when they bring back out wrestlers, but an old company with such an overwhelming fan base it went bankrupt, this is a prospective gold mine? Bitch, please...
I'd tell you to kiss my ass, but I don't want to get it infected.
I think I am going to have to disagree. ECW just needs to be gone and remembered fondly. It wouldn't be the same and it wouldn't be done the same. Besides, I don't think all of the guys would want to work for Vince and be limited.
They screwed up Jerry Lynn.
Sabu is too popular. As well as he is always touring.
Sandman is in TNA, and probably doesn't want to have the heavy schedule because he is semi-retired.
And Taz, he said himself he lost the fire, though I think that Taz could have been really cool and wish they would have just let him be himself instead of drown him in the Hardcore division.
There is just too much WWE TV right now, it would be too much for ECW. We need to just let it rest. Besides, would it have a separate World Title? We need one World Champion, not three.
However, it was brought up by an earlier post about the territories, for some reason, it seems like if promoters were smart, they would try and re-invent that, if possible. I mean, let the WWE be a juggernaut, but if some of these companies, 3PW, ROH (if it is still going to exist), UPW, and others unite and either join the NWA or have the owners group off, it could be cool and yea it would suck for the wrestlers, but they would be a lot less green because they get the experience.
No, ECW went bankrupt because Heyman has absolutely no concept of how to manage money. ECW slowly declined after their money man pulled out of the organization. And really, it was WCW who was raiding their talent. Raven, Sandman, Richards, Saturn, Wipreck were all picked up by WCW. As for the t.v. deal, ECW and TNN never got along, even though ECW was performing above the necessary level for their contract. When the WWF moved to TNN, they actually had a clause in the contract to allow ECW to finish their run on TNN, but ECW opted out of their contract early. If the WWF stole anything, it was ECW's attitude.
It sounds cool and all but I see some problems with it. You might believe we are talking bs and not know a thing about wrestling but I believe you live in a dream world.
1. Tazz has been retired now for a few years, has obviously gained a few pounds and has severe necktrouble. I doubt if he even -wants- to wrestle. He is the best announcer they have and has a good steady job w/o the risk. Many other wrestlers (Eliminators for instance) are near retirement or are already retired.
2. Getting all the current ECW guys from the Raw/SD roster would deplete the other two. And where do you draw the line? 50-75% of the roster was with ECW at one point.
3. Some of the "old ECW gang" are well..not really all that. I don't have to see New Jack again, or Balls Mahoney or Sandman. ofcourse that is just an opinion, but what if many feel like me? It might be doomed from the start.
4. No matter how you produce or build it, it will always be WWE presents: ECW!. If they make it low-budget, shot in a crappy bingohall every week it basically gives the production company a bad name, and I am sure people will bitch that they try to make it look genuine but it is not. if they give it the WWE look (good arenas, good production) it will not have the ECW feel at all.
5. So far EVERY retro fad has failed. NWO, DX, ECW/WCW invasions..in one way or the other they have all failed. Not only because WWE mishandled it, but because it can NEVER live up to the originals. Our memories always make things more perfect and to see things rehashed never lives up to those memories. I don't see why this should work as well as ECW once did.
Oh btw, Snyperstyle. Saying others don't know what they are talking about and not wrestling fans won't help you very much in having an interesting discussion about wrestling.
The only it could possibly work is if WWE created ECW for dirt cheap.
For example: Tape their shows before Raw and/or SmackDown tapings, and make each hourly TV show (I'm assuming the plan would be to have a TV show) half classic ECW matches and half new stuff, at least for the first little while.
Do NOT put this on PPV, even a few times a year. The buyrates weren't stellar when everyone loved the ECW concept. A watered-down, more censored version with likely older wrestlers on the roster just wouldn't draw better, even WITH the benefit of free WWE advertising all over the place.
Like the brand split (okay, up until a few months ago), keep the ECW folks as separate as possible from the other shows, unless its absolutely necessary for a storyline.
That said, I bet that ECW DVD scheduled for June will be the true test. Perhaps they'll start the separate brand for them prior to that (though I'm skeptical), but unless McMahon can get people excited enough for the classic ECW stuff, why would put any effort in starting the whole thing up again?
Yeah, I don't even necessarily have a problem with any given result -- even Shelley vs. Backlund -- but it's the cumulative effect of all of them together that I find kind of a downer. ...but not as much of a downer as I would find this. Echhhh.