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Wait.. wasn't this the group that was FOUNDED by defending Clinton for his various sexual harrassment/adultery charges, because that was his "personal life, and has nothing to do with being president?" But they seem ok with assaulting Arnold for similar behavior, with far less substantial evidence?

Why hasn't anyone in the media pointed this out?



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    Originally posted by Pool-Boy
    Why hasn't anyone in the media pointed this out?


Why would they care? Scandal sells.



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    Originally posted by Pool-Boy
    Wait.. wasn't this the group that was FOUNDED by defending Clinton for his various sexual harrassment/adultery charges, because that was his "personal life, and has nothing to do with being president?" But they seem ok with assaulting Arnold for similar behavior, with far less substantial evidence?


Because Arnold has that scary R next to his name.





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Well, I don't want to get into this conversation again, but the whole Clinton fiasco centered around a consentual sex act that, by all accounts, was initiated by Monica Lewinski. These stories are, well, little different.

But, you know what - I really don't care that much about the sex stuff either, but I sure as hell think the people who felt that Bill Clinton cheating on his wife was the most horrible thing in the history of time and was spiraling this country into a sinful babylon of moral degredation sure as fuck should care. But I guess it was just that scary D after Bill Clinton's name.

(Oh, and is Maria Shriver a lesbian who's only staying alongside Arnold to further her own media career, or is that another meaningless double standard here?)



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I'm surprised no one in the media--and I'll admit I'm right-wing but I think all sides would find this interesting/ironic/poetic, etc. etc. A lot of the flack and attacks from Arnold come from Pumping Iron. So one could say if he doesn't get in office that Pumping Iron hurt him, and ruined his public image and the like. The great, huge irony is that Pumping Iron is what started Arnold's Hollywood career, as he came of VERY charismatic and in a movie about multiple body builders came out to be the chief star. The movie wasn't about just him, it was about bodybuilding in general (and actually the movie did a lot of good for the sport and weight lifters), but if it wasn't for Pumping Iron, Arnold would never have gotten to Hollywood in the same fashion, and also wouldn't have given his enemies ammunition to blast him with. Double-edged sword indeed.



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    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    >(Oh, and is Maria Shriver a lesbian who's only staying alongside Arnold to further her own media career, or is that another meaningless double standard here?)







She is a Kennedy woman, so its a family tradition.



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    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    Well, I don't want to get into this conversation again, but the whole Clinton fiasco centered around a consentual sex act that, by all accounts, was initiated by Monica Lewinski.

Paula Jones and Juanita Broderick will argue that point...



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    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    Well, I don't want to get into this conversation again, but the whole Clinton fiasco centered around a consentual sex act that, by all accounts, was initiated by Monica Lewinski. These stories are, well, little different.

    But, you know what - I really don't care that much about the sex stuff either, but I sure as hell think the people who felt that Bill Clinton cheating on his wife was the most horrible thing in the history of time and was spiraling this country into a sinful babylon of moral degredation sure as fuck should care. But I guess it was just that scary D after Bill Clinton's name.

    (Oh, and is Maria Shriver a lesbian who's only staying alongside Arnold to further her own media career, or is that another meaningless double standard here?)


Clinton was the President of the United States or Governor of Arkansas at the time of his alleged misconducts. Arnold was... a bodybuilder and an actor.

As for your Shriver comment, Arnold hasn't admitted to anything while being married to her. The group sex, etc., occurred during his rowdy youth.

And lastly, there's no proof, here. Just a bunch of unnamed sources and allegations from a media that's dying to bury Schwarzenegger. There's no jizz-stained dress, there are no state troopers who arranged sex for Arnold. We can name all of Clinton's accusers. The only Arnold accuser I can name is Peter Jennings.



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Incidentally, LA Weekly has accused the LA Times of giving Davis an illegal donation thanks to their coverage, which is an interesting argument.



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Grimis:

Paula Jones and Juanita Broderick will argue that point...

Both were investigated and both were found to be rather impressively full of shit. It's not like serious lefties actually bother bringing up whatsername in Texas who claimed George Bush raped her, because she's pretty obviously full of it too.

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Clinton was the President of the United States or Governor of Arkansas at the time of his alleged misconducts. Arnold was... a bodybuilder and an actor.

Oh, don't try to pull that. Arnold is the frontrunner for the leadership of the largest and richest state in the entire union. If Clinton fucking around is bad, Arnold groping around is bad. It's one or the other.
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    Both were investigated and both were found to be rather impressively full of shit.


This is utter horseshit, they looked for ways to discredit broderick and couldn't find a thing. Every single person she told the story to repeated the exact same thing, her story has been airtight since she put it out. And when it comes to Paula Jones, how much did the Clintons end up paying her again?

And what about Kathleen Willy?

I love how everyone still pretends it was all about sex, as if perjury and obstruction of justice never happened.



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I think the stuff that has been coming out on Davis is rather interesting. I haven't dug into any of it yet, but it says that he's basically a maniac who can't control his emotions. He bursts out in angry tirades of obscenities for virtually no reason. McClintock himself said last night on Fox News that he has seen Davis act like this.

Hopefully none of this crap will matter after the votes are in.

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This is utter horseshit, they looked for ways to discredit broderick and couldn't find a thing.

That's because there was nothing worth mentioning to discredit. Juanita Broaddrick swore in an affadavit in 1992 that Bill Clinton didn't rape her and reaffirmed that in 1994 during the initial Paula Jones flurry. NBC News interviewed her and then declined to run the interview - this at the same time as they ran interviews of Katherine Willey, whose testimonies had already been discredited by the FBI. (I mention this last as a rebuttal in advance for the inevitable "liberal media" comment.)

Bear in mind that the Wall Street Journal's news division - which has the highest standards in the business - refused to touch the Broaddrick case, saying it lacked "credibility."

Which was why the WSJ's opinion section, with no standards worth mentioning, had to trumpet it.
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I did see some coverage last night which talked about the whole Arnie groping and how women were supporting him anyway thing, and I kind of thought it was serendipitous. In a race where both parties showed absolute pragmatism (Cruz throwing Davis overboard, the GOP latching onto ANYONE who could get them back in power, even if he's a social liberal and morally bankrupt seemingly) it seems fitting that a PAC would be just as blind to the flaws of their allies. The whole thing just reeked of dirtiness and getting in bed with your enemies.



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I agree with SPF, but I think for the social conservative base of the party this is an exception to the rule situation. Normally there is no way the base would give a candidate like Arnold any support. But he IS "Arnold," and it WAS a chance to get Davis out of office. However, I said this last night to my family: If Arnold does anything screwy or seemingly goes out of his way to strongly support some type of liberal social agenda, I and many other social conservatives will turn our back on him and even the whole Republican party in CA. I won't have any trouble with "throwing away" my vote to someone like McClintock or a third party next time if it's Arnold's head on the chopper and he's not understanding the party he says he's a part of.

It sure is an interesting time for Republicans. Let's see what direction they take.

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