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Did the ultimate warior really die and the WWF rpelace him with some one else? Me and my friend had a fight about it and i sayd he didnt.
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Uh...

No... no... Warrior didn't die and get replaced...

Perhaps your friend is thinking of when The Renegade worked for WCW when they were, essentially, promising Warrior, but couldn't deliver?

... Yeah...

(Edit) Wow... I feel really out of it. I didn't really realize that this was something that'd been going around for a long time. I should keep up with my wrestling history more!

Huh... learn something new every day. That's cool.

(edited by Ender on 19.6.03 1038)


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No, he's alive and well. You can read his ramblings at www.ultimatewarrior.com



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Okay, I'll fill you in. The Ultimate Warrior - Jim Hellwig - is still alive and well. And the WWF did use the same guy for all of its WWF runs. Since his last WWF run, Jim has become a (conservative) political activist, and begun filling his website with pseudo-intellectual rants where he uses long words to describe right-wing politics while in the "Warrior" character.

He has also legally changed his name to "WARRIOR" to help him contest a series of legal battles against the WWF that he faced in the mid '90s. He claimed that the "Ultimate Warrior" character he portrayed in the WWF was just the development of his indy league "Dingo Warrior" character, and as a result has won the legal rights to the name and character.

Along the way, he has also made numerous attempts to cash in on the legal rights he has obtained. At one point, he tried setting up a wrestling school called "warrior university" - I'm not sure what ever came of that. Also - and wrestlecrap.com profiles this occasionally - he at some point released a series of Ultimate Warrior comic books. From what I gathered, these were generally nonsensical - and occasionally horrific - garbage.

The myth about "another Ultimate Warrior" or "The Ultimate Warrior died" stems from a Bischoff creation named the Renegade Warrior. Some background...

One of the biggest criticisms of WCW under Eric Bischoff (from the mid - late '90s) was that, rather than developing and pushing its own wrestlers and original characters, it chose to use Ted Turner's money to steal talent away from the WWF and ECW - and gave the strongest pushes to mid '80s to mid '90s WWF wrestlers. This often came at the expense of its own wrestlers like Mick Foley, Steve Austin, Triple H (who were released because they would supposedly never draw a crowd), Booker T, Scott Steiner, Rey Mysterio, Kidman (who never rose above midcard).

In their place, Bisch bought in former WWFers like Randy Savage, Hulk Hogan, Lex Luger, and Bret Hart. In cases where he couldn't lure the WWF counterpart, an "original character" suspiciously like their WWF equivelent would appear. Some were successful - like The Giant (obviously Eric couldn't recruit Andre The Giant, so he gave Paul "Big Show" Wight the gimmick of 'Andre The Giant's son. Succesful before he became a lazy, bloated lug), Goldberg (who some suspect was originally supposed to be a Steve Austin knock-off; thankfully he got his own 'invincible streak' gimmick), or Wolfpack Sting (for about 8 months after the debut of Kane, Sting wore red and black facepaint. He was rewarded for being the biggest face through the company's biggest era by being pushed down to the midcard).

One of the worst of these WCW knockoffs was "Renegade Warrior". He hung around the midcard and feuded with Hogan. Eventually - after Warrior was through the worst of his legal challenges with the WWF - he came to WCW for a 2 month stint. In a subsequent local talent purge, Renegade was released and committed suicide. The myth of a second WWF Ultimate Warrior and the original Warrior committing suicide stemmed from this fact.

Note also that "Renegade" never played "Ultimate Warrior" in the WWF, and was not Jim Hellwig.
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The Ultimate Warrior rumor goes back WAAAAAY before Renegade, who actually is dead. I heard the rumor right before WM6, and I heard it from my mom who heard it on a radio station in Florida. It was strange, because soon thereafter all my friends in school heard the same thing. What is even stranger, is that the story was always the same. His heart exploded from too many steroids. Personally, I never heard the rumour except from a second hand source. Even today, people mention that rumour to me. I even looked in RSPW's archives from the same time period one time, and the rumor was floating around there as well.

How it started, one of the mysteries we will never know.



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#6 Posted on

    Originally posted by Nag
    The Ultimate Warrior rumor goes back WAAAAAY before Renegade, who actually is dead. I heard the rumor right before WM6, and I heard it from my mom who heard it on a radio station in Florida. It was strange, because soon thereafter all my friends in school heard the same thing. What is even stranger, is that the story was always the same. His heart exploded from too many steroids. Personally, I never heard the rumour except from a second hand source. Even today, people mention that rumour to me. I even looked in RSPW's archives from the same time period one time, and the rumor was floating around there as well.

    How it started, one of the mysteries we will never know.



Oh okay... I always figured it stemmed from Renegade's suicide, and a couple of versions of the rumour I heard had him commit suicide and were generally consistant with that version of events. Certainly the "2nd Warrior" bit is...

It almost sounds like a joke that people took seriously, based on your version of it.
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I'm just curious about whatever happened to Steve DiSalvo (Steve Strong from Montreal and Calgary's 80's scene) who was always at the center of the earlier rumours about Warrior being replaced.




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Didn't Hogan bring Renagade in to WCW at Halloween Havoc 95. Because I have a tape of Bash At the Beach 95 and Renagade is a face defending the T.V. Title against Arn Anderson. I thought they got rid of him and brought him back to play the Warrior during the War Games match until the real Warrior came down and freaked Hogan out. Also I think you were looking way to much into the whole WCW copying WWF thing. I don't think changed his face paint just to be more like Kane. Also I remember the Goldberg compairison to, but I think I read some where it was a shot at Vince to show him how to properly push a shoot fighter gimmick, because Vince screwed up Ken Shamrock.
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I think the 2nd Ultimate Warrior bit partially stemmed from the fact that the Warrior looked quite different later on in his WWF tenure than when he debuted in '87 or '88. By the time he won the WWF title in '90 he had poofy highlighted hair, a slightly different look costume-wise and his physique was a bit bigger. I think this led people to believe that it was a different guy portraying the character.

As as for the Renegade- he was never the "Renegade Warrior," I'm sure WCW would have gotten sued over that. he was simply the Renegade. And he never fueded with Hogan. Hogan brought him in as a surprise tag team partner for a tag team main event at a PPV. They teased that it was going to be the Ultimate Warrior coming in, and then during the Main Event show right before the PPV (kinda like how Heat is now) Hogan said that his partner was the "Ultimate Swerve," and brought out the Renegade. Yes, WCW actually sold PPVs by teasing the Ultimate Warrior and delievering a jobber pretending to be him. The guy tried his best to be a Warrior ripoff, but he really sucked (not that the original was much better, but at least he was, ya know, original). Renegade's career highlight was winning the WCW TV title from Arn Anderson (which I'm sure was a career lowlight for Anderson). I believe he lost the title to DDP, but I could be wrong there. And eventually the Renegade actually did portray the Warrior. When Warrior signed to WCW in '98 they used Renegade as a decoy on an episode of Nitro, I believe. Depressed over, presumably, his failed career Renegade offed himself in like 2000 or 2001.



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I always assumed it started after his return at Wrestlemania VIII. He had cut his hair shorter, which somehow seemed to completely change his head shape, and it wasn't until a few months later that I accepted that this really was the same Ultimate Warrior.

(edited by OlFuzzyBastard on 19.6.03 1016)


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#11 Posted on

    Originally posted by Eradicator
    Renegade's career highlight was winning the WCW TV title from Arn Anderson (which I'm sure was a career lowlight for Anderson).







It was a lowpoint for Arn, but it couldn't be lower than when he was stuck in a feud with Erik Watts. Can't get any lower than that.



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I always thought that they replaced Warrior with Marty Jannetty...





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    Didn't Hogan bring Renagade in to WCW at Halloween Havoc 95. Because I have a tape of Bash At the Beach 95 and Renagade is a face defending the T.V. Title against Arn Anderson.


It was actually the Uncensored PPV. During the Hogan-Vader strap match in which Hogan pinned Ric Flair dressed up in drag to win the match (don't ask), Renegade was brought in as Hogan's ``Ultimate Surprise'' with very similar music and look. There were three of us watching that match from my place that night; one swore it was Warrior just using a non-wwf-sanctioned name, but two of us knew better.

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    Originally posted by HomerJFong
    I'm just curious about whatever happened to Steve DiSalvo (Steve Strong from Montreal and Calgary's 80's scene) who was always at the center of the earlier rumours about Warrior being replaced.


Steve DiSalvo showed up in WCW in the mid 90s as a character called The Minotaur. After that, he pretty much dropped out of sight. I haven't heard of him wrestling in a good 10 years.



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Oh God, The Minitaur.

A guy who wrestles slow! How on earth did that not catch on?!



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I'd be remiss not to mention that their is a running joke about Ultimate Warrior dieing, seein as how the internet has claimed he has about a million times.

About the Minitaur: Did the guy ever even wrestle? I remember an interview segment that he was on, and that's it. I don't remember ever seeing him in the ring. Same thing with Big Bully Busick (I saw that guy wrestle once, and that's it).



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I saw Minotaur wrestle on the Saturday show against some jobber. He would move real slow... real slow... then hit a "vicious" clothesline real quick. Then he'd move real slow... real slow...



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    Originally posted by OMEGA
    I'd be remiss not to mention that their is a running joke about Ultimate Warrior dieing, seein as how the internet has claimed he has about a million times.

    About the Minitaur: Did the guy ever even wrestle? I remember an interview segment that he was on, and that's it. I don't remember ever seeing him in the ring. Same thing with Big Bully Busick (I saw that guy wrestle once, and that's it).



Mantuar wrestled a few times on TV, and he was in the 95 Rumble.

Busick I only remember twice, a squash match which he won, and a squash match which he lost I think to the Brooklyn Brawler. I remember his heart punch though. He resurfaced in USWA a little later, but I have no clue where he is now.



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#19 Posted on

    Originally posted by Nag

      Originally posted by OMEGA
      I'd be remiss not to mention that their is a running joke about Ultimate Warrior dieing, seein as how the internet has claimed he has about a million times.

      About the Minitaur: Did the guy ever even wrestle? I remember an interview segment that he was on, and that's it. I don't remember ever seeing him in the ring. Same thing with Big Bully Busick (I saw that guy wrestle once, and that's it).



    Mantuar wrestled a few times on TV, and he was in the 95 Rumble.

    Busick I only remember twice, a squash match which he won, and a squash match which he lost I think to the Brooklyn Brawler. I remember his heart punch though. He resurfaced in USWA a little later, but I have no clue where he is now.



Mantaur is a totally different guy. Coincidentally, if you hurry, you can check out Mantaur over on wrestlecrap.com



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    Originally posted by Eradicator
    I think the 2nd Ultimate Warrior bit partially stemmed from the fact that the Warrior looked quite different later on in his WWF tenure than when he debuted in '87 or '88. By the time he won the WWF title in '90 he had poofy highlighted hair, a slightly different look costume-wise and his physique was a bit bigger. I think this led people to believe that it was a different guy portraying the character.

    As as for the Renegade- he was never the "Renegade Warrior," I'm sure WCW would have gotten sued over that. he was simply the Renegade. And he never fueded with Hogan. Hogan brought him in as a surprise tag team partner for a tag team main event at a PPV. They teased that it was going to be the Ultimate Warrior coming in, and then during the Main Event show right before the PPV (kinda like how Heat is now) Hogan said that his partner was the "Ultimate Swerve," and brought out the Renegade. Yes, WCW actually sold PPVs by teasing the Ultimate Warrior and delievering a jobber pretending to be him. The guy tried his best to be a Warrior ripoff, but he really sucked (not that the original was much better, but at least he was, ya know, original). Renegade's career highlight was winning the WCW TV title from Arn Anderson (which I'm sure was a career lowlight for Anderson). I believe he lost the title to DDP, but I could be wrong there. And eventually the Renegade actually did portray the Warrior. When Warrior signed to WCW in '98 they used Renegade as a decoy on an episode of Nitro, I believe. Depressed over, presumably, his failed career Renegade offed himself in like 2000 or 2001.




true i remmember hear ing the rumors around school that there were two warriors around the time warrior had the title and lost it to slaughter. i thought nothing of it becuase i thought then( and still do today 13 years later ) that i knhew more about wrestling then andy of my firends or accquatinces. but i agree the different appearences started the rumor of two warriors.



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