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Flipping the channels, I see the Iraqi Ambassador to the UN on TV and still in New York. Now, since he is a member of a regime of a nation that we are at war with, what the fuck is he still doing in this country? Our cops are providing this scumbag protection. He should have 48 hours to pack his bags and leave, or else he can have a nice trip to the gallows. If his buddies in the UN don't want him to leave, they can all go to Geneva, and we can turn the building into low income housing in New York City.



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I know weve already expelled the other Iraqi embassadors in Washington ( they dont actually have an embassy there, I think they work out of someone elses). But I think legally we cant expel the UN ambassador.
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95

    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    ...what the fuck is he still doing in this country? Our cops are providing this scumbag protection.


What exactly did this guy do to deserve all that again?



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#4 Posted on

    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze

      Originally posted by redsoxnation
      ...what the fuck is he still doing in this country? Our cops are providing this scumbag protection.


    What exactly did this guy do to deserve all that again?






I'm not sure which way this was, but I'll give both responses anyway.
Why he has police protection: Because their afraid someone will take a shot at him.
Why I think he should be out of this country: He's a representative of a nation we are at war with. Thus, he has no business being in this nation.



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Personally, my choice would be to tell the entire UN to get the fuck out of this country and hightail it somewhere else. If they chose not to leave, we'd send in the Marines to escort them to the door...



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95

    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    He's a representative of a nation we are at war with. Thus, he has no business being in this nation.


I'm not sure it's fair to hold HIM responsible for the war we are in with the country he is from. I mean, I'D leave if I was him, but I dont think he should HAVE to leave or anything.

By the way, my original question was aimed more towards the ill-will you directed towards this guy in your post. I'm just not sure what HE did to deserve all that "scumbag" and "what the f*ck* and what not.



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    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze

      Originally posted by redsoxnation
      He's a representative of a nation we are at war with. Thus, he has no business being in this nation.


    I'm not sure it's fair to hold HIM responsible for the war we are in with the country he is from. I mean, I'D leave if I was him, but I dont think he should HAVE to leave or anything.

    By the way, my original question was aimed more towards the ill-will you directed towards this guy in your post. I'm just not sure what HE did to deserve all that "scumbag" and "what the f*ck* and what not.



It may be related to the general brutality of the Iraqi regime and his complicity in this brutality. Or perhaps it's the fact that he is a representative of a hostile government. This is like saying, "Yeah, he's in the Klan, but he never actually lynched anyone! He just watched!"



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95

    Originally posted by PalpatineW
    This is like saying, "Yeah, he's in the Klan, but he never actually lynched anyone! He just watched!"


OH PLEEEEEEASE. I'm sorry, but being from a certain country simply CANNOT be compared to being a member of an organization.



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Well, it's not that he's from a certain country, it's that he's a member of the ruling fascist party of the country. It's not like anyone is advocating expelling the UN's janitor if he happened to be from Iraq.

Personally, my choice would be to tell the entire UN to get the fuck out of this country and hightail it somewhere else. If they chose not to leave, we'd send in the Marines to escort them to the door...

Hey, those fat cat diplomats are about the only thing keeping my town afloat economically right now. Tell Jr. if he wants to expel them he better deliver that FEMA money he owes us, for starters.





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#10 Posted on

    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze

      Originally posted by PalpatineW
      This is like saying, "Yeah, he's in the Klan, but he never actually lynched anyone! He just watched!"


    OH PLEEEEEEASE. I'm sorry, but being from a certain country simply CANNOT be compared to being a member of an organization.



For your average Iraqi citizen, that quote is VERY true, but the ambassador is defintely part of the organization.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95

    Originally posted by Scott Summets
    For your average Iraqi citizen, that quote is VERY true, but the ambassador is defintely part of the organization.


I just dont think we can hold this guy responsible for whatever awful atrocities his country is guilty of.

As far as being apart of the organization for him goes, he's obviously a member of their government, but I dont think "guilty by association" applies here at all, which is the vibe I was getting from redsox and PalpatineW (This, of course, is based on the fact that I have no idea who this guy is or what he has/hasnt done to make some of you hate him. If it's just because he is a mamber of the Iraqi gov't, I dont think that's enough reason).

And for the Klan compasison, being a member of the Klan or any other social/political/opinion-based/movement-type organization like it (NAACP, FEMA, NOW, Greenpeace, etc) carries with it the implication that you agree with and support whatever that organization stands for. As opposed to a government, where you can be a member but not necessarliy condone/support/like everything that those in power stand for.



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I didnt see anyone say he was responsible, but he is definatly a part of Saddams regime and should have no more buisiness here. On the other hand, he did publicly admit he had no contact with his government. And where will he go? France? He certanly cant get into Baghdad......





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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95

    Originally posted by Sultan_of_Submission
    I didnt see anyone say he was responsible, but he is definatly a part of Saddams regime and should have no more buisiness here.


I never said he was "responsible" for anything. All I'm saying is that people in this thread are saying some pretty rough things about this guy and backing their statements with "guilt by association". I just dont think it's warranted in this case, ESPECIALLY if he isnt in concact with his gov't back home (which may or may not be true).

Hey, if he supports any of the evil stuff his government is doing, then F him. But I dont believe HE is a bad person just because the leader of his country is a wacko.

And again, if I was him, I'd be outta here already. But I'm still not sure why he should HAVE to leave.



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#14 Posted on

    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze

      Originally posted by Sultan_of_Submission
      I didnt see anyone say he was responsible, but he is definatly a part of Saddams regime and should have no more buisiness here.


    I never said he was "responsible" for anything. All I'm saying is that people in this thread are saying some pretty rough things about this guy and backing their statements with "guilt by association". I just dont think it's warranted in this case, ESPECIALLY if he isnt in concact with his gov't back home (which may or may not be true).

    Hey, if he supports any of the evil stuff his government is doing, then F him. But I dont believe HE is a bad person just because the leader of his country is a wacko.

    And again, if I was him, I'd be outta here already. But I'm still not sure why he should HAVE to leave.






My anger over seeing him on TV in the U.S. might have clouded what my original intent was. He is a representative of a government the United States is at war with, and yet he is still in the United States. That violates the second rule of war (the first being knock on the power and the means of communicating, which we are violating ourselves). Also, you don't get to a position of power in Iraq unless your a high ranking member of the Ba'ath party. And you don't climb the ranks of the Ba'ath party by being a boy scout.



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There sure seems to be a lot of hatred in this thread. I tend to side with Frosty on this one (I know, I know, we're friends, yada yada yada), but he is rationally asking why this guy who does not appear to be in charge of anything is having such venom heaped upon him? If it is just because he is Iraqi, I have a problem with that. I have a friend here in Maine whose father is Iraqi. He's weird, but he's not a killer. If there is something he is guilty of, then by all means, I would consider the evidence and wish him to be sent away as well. But without that evidence, I would vent my anger other places during this time of turmoil.



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#16 Posted on

    Originally posted by pieman
    There sure seems to be a lot of hatred in this thread. I tend to side with Frosty on this one (I know, I know, we're friends, yada yada yada), but he is rationally asking why this guy who does not appear to be in charge of anything is having such venom heaped upon him? If it is just because he is Iraqi, I have a problem with that. I have a friend here in Maine whose father is Iraqi. He's weird, but he's not a killer. If there is something he is guilty of, then by all means, I would consider the evidence and wish him to be sent away as well. But without that evidence, I would vent my anger other places during this time of turmoil.







My anger isn't because he's an Iraqi. My anger is because he is a member of the Iraqi government. Hermann Goering wasn't floating around New York during World War II. Colin Powell isn't hobknobbing it around Baghdad this week. A representative of a warring government should under no circumstances be in this country.



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Fellas...

This is not the US. You don't become part of the Iraqi gov't if you disagree with Saddam. They don't have a "loyal opposition." There is no minority party. Saddam is evil. Saddam's gov't is hand-picked. He has total power. This is why we call him a dictator. Do you think people get elected in Iraq on a reform ticket? Do you think people get elected in Iraq at all? Do you think there is a moderate faction somewhere in the ruling totalitarian party? In a related question, are you insane?



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95

    Originally posted by PalpatineW
    In a related question, are you insane?


Is the name-calling necessary? Really.

Anywho, I do see your point (Yours too, redsox) but I guess we'll have to just agree to disagree on this one. I still dont see what makes this guy in particular a "scumbag", or why he needs to "get the f*ck out" (Without knowing anything about him personally). Saddam has always been a evil wacko dictator. Has this guy been a scumbag all along? Maybe he should have gotten the f*ck out a long time ago?

I just dont see it.



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He's a UN ambassador and has diplomatic immunity. In addition, you have no evidence that he has complicity in any atrocities. You have no idea what this guy is like, and you sound pretty damn freedom-loving by condemning a man by association.



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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    Flipping the channels, I see the Iraqi Ambassador to the UN on TV and still in New York. Now, since he is a member of a regime of a nation that we are at war with, what the fuck is he still doing in this country?
He's the UN ambassador, maybe? I know I'm going out on a limb.

    Our cops are providing this scumbag protection.
And it's a damn shame that there are probably a LOT of "Americans" around there from which the ambassador actually NEEDS that protection from those cops, too. (Not coincidentally, I'm sure many of them would post a preference for using the word "scumbag" to describe an ambassador, too.)

    He should have 48 hours to pack his bags and leave, or else he can have a nice trip to the gallows.
Yeah, because he committed the death penalty crime of.... hmm.

    If his buddies in the UN don't want him to leave, they can all go to Geneva, and we can turn the building into low income housing in New York City.
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