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Since: 2.1.02
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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.87
Understand that for starters I am biased towards the NWA/WCW product, and will always remain so unless the WWF ever chooses to start promoting their product as a sport, and treating it with some respect.

So here it goes...

I'm probably in the great minority here, but I found it VERY difficult to watch some of the WWF contests with them being shown back to back with the NWA matches.

My beef is simple, and the same one a lot of fans have groaned about for years. It's just WAY more apparent on this particular DVD.

Hearing, and feeling the intensity of an NWA contest with two competitors locked inside a steel cage - with their only goal to GET THAT PINFALL through any means neccessary really sent chills. The cage was an extra prop, simply there to keep the guys confined and the action consistent. Hard to stall with nowhere to run.

To follow THAT with the slow climbing contests in the WWF made them that much more difficult to watch. The goal in the NWA was to win the match, not be the first guy to run away. So what you've got instead in the Sportz Entertainment driven world are two guys, who rather than do everything in their power to beat the other man until he cannot continue, simply beats him a little bit - and then runs away. That doesn't seem like a prop to BLOW FEUDS OFF. Seems more like a way to START a feud - by stating the other guy never pinned you, which really isn't the way the gimmick is being presented.

And now I reach the point in my thoughts where I have no earthly idea how to wrap these things up. Should have paid more attention to "conclusions" in English class.

Okay, let's try.

NWA = sports, and more enjoyable to ME who watches for the sheer competition

WWF = some athleticism, but far less psychology, more enjoyable to those looking for a show



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Since: 21.6.02
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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.40
I finally bought this dvd last week, and first off it is f'ing sweet. Like you, I'm biased toward nwa/wcw as that was what I watched through most of my childhood.

But after watching this video I have a new favorite match of all time. Bret/Owen is something I'd only heard about and I had to see it to believe it.

This was not a typical, slow WWF cage match. Owen's belly flop to catch Bret and his crazy talk throughout were hilarious. Not to mention the subsequent Hart family beatdown after the match. Guess there's really nothing else I can say bout this match that hasn't been said.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.36
I'm biased greatly towards the NWA to begin with, but I find it weird that the pre-Hogan era WWF cage matches (fence cage) stand up far better than the post-Hogan WWF matches (blue bar). One of the blue bar cage matches I've skipped out of principle (or because one of the competitors makes me physically ill), but except for Owen/Bret, none of them compare with the old style cages. I'm still trying to figure out though who Vince was announcing the Ivan/Bruno match in '75 for, as unless MSG Network was already up, I doubt the match would have aired anyplace.
Also, watching David Crockett call a Flair match and then Jim 'By Gawd My Voice Has Changed' Ross call a match back to back, I really start to question why Ross replaced Crockett in the first place.
As always, Snuka/Muraco debunks Hogan's old 'They never drew before I arrived' theory with a sold-out crowd 3 months before Hogan won the belt.
And, its very difficult to find a match anyplace that matches the outright intensity of Magnum/Tully. Blading your arm is a true sense of workmanship.



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Since: 12.10.02
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.15
I also prefer the NWA style cage matches because they're what a cage match should be, blood, violence, and emotion.

The WWF switched from fence to blue bars because guys like Hogan and Bundy couldn't climb the fence.

Also, the "cage escape" type matches began with The Original Shiek, I believe, because he would never job to anyone so they'd do the Cage Escape match when he had to lose.

Bret/Owen is probably one of the few, if not only, Blue Bar Cage Matches that actually made the climbing aspect make sense. Bret wanted to keep Owen in the cage to beat the living crap out of his whiny little brother while Owen kept looking for the quick escape.
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Since: 2.1.02
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.87
Not to be completely unfair to the WWF, I thought the Backlund/Patterson match was unbelievable. Never saw it prior to this release, never heard about it, and it was an unexpected surprise. Those boys could GO!

But yeah, the point I was trying to make above was I guess the spectacle isn't quite what I look for in a cage match. It's all fair and well that Kurt Angle wants to climb a cage and do a moonsault to make the fans go OOOOOOOHHHH - but what PURPOSE did it ultimately serve? It didn't prove to me he'd do anything to beat Chris Benoit, it simply showed off the very worked nature. I don't MIND the fact the sport is fake, but I wish once in awhile they'd try to remember that I'd like for things to make sense.

I could feel the desperation of Magnum and Tully when the chair was grabbed, and used as a spike to be driven into the other opponent's eye to make him scream "I Quit". I can't feel that same desperation or desire to WIN a match when I'm watching Hulk Hogan and Paul Orndorff slowly climb around a the walls of a cage, trying to escape at a snail's pace. I can't feel that desire when Edge is trying to hit his latest highspot.

I feel whiny, I'll stop now. :-)



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
Dear cfgb
kind regards
I am going to order Bloodbath on DVD for Xmas.
Does it have all of the silly WWF attitude scratch logo blurring?
if you could tell me if it does and to what extent I'd appreciate it.
yours thankfully
John
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Since: 3.10.02
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
I got this a few days ago, and purposely watched all the old NWA stuff, and then the OLD WWWF and then WWF stuff and havent seen, and do not plan to watch the WWE stuff.

First, old NWA was the stuff that made me a great fan of the sport. I was living in New Orleans and had the great pleasure of watching the NWA on TBS every Saturday and Sunday. Some of those fueds and matches were just outstanding. I would have loved to have seen some of the Rich/Sawyer fued's cage matches, simply because I believe it was the best singles fued EVER.
All the NWA/WCW stuff rocked. Seeing my boyhood idol Dusty take on Flair, was like being a kid again. And, the Flair promo where he tears his shirt off and schiavonne gets scared, saying "STOP IT" when flair grabs him, is just about my favorite part of this compilation! They should put a dvd together with just Flair promos.

The older WWWF stuff was great. I had never seen Bruno work, so that was sorta cool, even if all he did was punch and kick. Patterson v Backlund was short but violent, and any match that features Snuka and a cage is fine by me!

Overall I would give this dvd a thumb up, and recommend it to any new fan, who wants to see some of the better workers in thier prime.
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Since: 2.1.02
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.87
Dear cfgb
kind regards
I am going to order Bloodbath on DVD for Xmas.
Does it have all of the silly WWF attitude scratch logo blurring?
if you could tell me if it does and to what extent I'd appreciate it.
yours thankfully
John


John,

Everything produced after the World Wildlife Fund lawsuit that contains the scratch logo cannot be displayed.

I trust this will answer not just this question, but any further curiousity you may have what is and isn't blurred.



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Since: 3.1.02
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.22
I plan on giving this DVD (and the Flair one) a proper full review in the near future, but here are some quick thoughts.

I just have to point out some of the glaring mistakes made in this DVD. Coach calling Ivan Koloff "Nikolai Volkoff" during the main program is just lazy, because everywhere else he is referred to by his correct name. Nikolai Volkoff wasn't even being called Nikolai Volkoff in 1975, I think he was one of the Mongols still.

Also, listing the Snuka/Backlund match as taking place in 1980 is something that could have been corrected with a minute's worth of research. I honestly can't believe that nobody in the WWE had the forsight to fix these mistakes in post-production. Vince was even calling the freaking match, he should know.

But those are very small gripes compared to what you get on this DVD. A fantastic selection of matches for this DVD, with everything from Backlund/Patterson to Edge/Angle being shown in beautiful quality. Watching the easter egg that shows Garvin's NWA title win is a great example of how well all of the WWE's video library is kept in pristine quality. This match that was shown in 1987 looked like it came from last week's RAW in terms of video quality and sound. The same can be said for all the matches.

The easter eggs included on the discs are a real treat, bringing back many memories. Included are Owen Hart's fantastic promo inside the cage leading up to SummerSlam, Zybysko turning on Sammartino, Garvin's NWA title win in Detroit, and Snuka attacking Muroco on WWF TV.

I also liked the decision to include the TV buildup for some of the matches. Seeing Orndorff's heel turn on Hogan once again is something special. Other angles, such as Snuka's brutal assult on Muroco and Babydoll helping Blanchard steal the US title are all included.

Overall, this DVD gets a huge thumbs up for me, a must for all wrestling fans. Except for the upcoming Flair DVD, this is the best use of the WWE's exstensive video library to date, just beating out Hogan's squash-filled extras.





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