If you don't want to be depressed, don't read on. Since they showed the clips of the Owen/Shawn match, it made me wonder what would have happened if they had booked the match correctly in terms of historical precedent. Now remember, this match took place a month after Montreal, a few weeks after Owen's return, and the night after WCW's Starrcade, where Bret Hart's involvement in the main event was the fast moving ship hitting the iceberg. With Owen coming back for vengeance, that should have been the night Owen redeems his family's honor and wins the world title from Shawn Michaels. Now, this would have caused Shawn to face Owen at Rumble, which would have probably led to Shawn regaining the belt, and the movement onto the Austin match at Mania would have begun. However, just giving Owen the 'Paul Wight' Title Reign would have caused two future great shifts. First, by wrestling Owen at the PPV, Shawn does not take the bump onto the casket from Taker, screwing up his back and putting him on the shelf for the better part of five years. Now, as a former World Champ, would they have made Owen revert to his initial character the Blue Blazer, causing the events of Kansas City not to happen. Of course, would a WWF with Michaels still around post Mania '98 have taken off, as Shawn would have remained the #1 heel, preventing the rise of Foley. However, its doubtful Kansas City occurs if Owen had gone over Shawn that night.
I want you to know, I agree with everything I've just said.
i'm sorry, but playing "what if?" NEVER works in the pro wrestling world, since EVERY match is a potential for disaster. who's to say that, in the shawn/owen match you predict would have saved michaels' back, he wouldn't have broken his neck instead in, say, a botched piledriver.
truth is, it's nice to believe that tragedy could have been prevented, but really, we have no idea.
And if WCW did not fold up, they would still be in business today. And if Bret agreed to drop the belt in Montreal, he may have never left the WWF. And if you never wrote that strand, I would not have replied.
Yeesh, chilling stuff, redsoxnation. And definitely something to think about. I really don't know what would have happened. I mean, the possibilities are endless and then some. Who's to say that had Owen won the title, they wouldn't have eventually made him into the Blue Blazer again anyway? Or that Michaels wouldn't have been injured in some other way? To me, it seems like there's an equal chance of everything turning out the exact same way, only taking a different route to get there, if Owen did take the title that night.
You're right, this isn't particularly cheerful, is it?
If Bret Hart had never left for WCW, Owen might still be alive.
If Owen Hart had left for WCW with the rest of his family, Owen might still be alive.
If Vince Russo hadn't hotshotted the IC title back and forth around Wrestlemania XV, Owen might still be alive.
If the WWF never resurrected the Blue Blazer gimmick, Owen might still be alive.
If the WWF never broke up the Nation of Domination, Owen might still be alive.
If the WWF never pushed The Godfather, Owen might still be alive.
Or he might've died a week later in a car crash. There's no point in second guessing this stuff. It's fate. It's cruel. It's horrible. But, it's fate.
"Of course the people don't want war ...but, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament or a communist dictatorship ... voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger." ----------Hermann Goering, one of the original Nazis at his Nuremberg trial in 1946
I still think Shawn would have been out of wrestling within six months. He was able to work one RAW something like once a month, and at every PPV. He was extremely broken down even then. That being said, I also doubt that he would have jobbed properly at 'Mania if he had not been so severely injured.
As for Owen's life...Well I can't speculate on that. He's gone. I think it's safe to say that he'd be alive if that stunt hadn't been planned. But it was supposed to be a safe stunt. It has been done for mascots at NBA events, Jesse Ventura did it, Sting did it more than anyone. But something fucked up happened. Saying what might have changed it won't change the fact that he's gone. I am not criticizing you, but I don't like to play what if on the subject of people's lives...Anything else but human life.
My best quotes from the NOV. 21 Smackdown Recap: -"a bath sponge is a King-Size bed to Rey Mysterio Jr" -"He stands on the apron for the west-coast-pop, a cool move with a very, very homosexual name." -"Through this felled wall we see Crash Holly lying on a table being orally pleasured by the trainer." -"Here comes Benoit! Crisp Benoit! Why do I call him Crisp? Because everything he does is CRISPY CRISP!" -"The shmuck in the Andre suit comes down. They hug. I find myself strangely aroused."
Originally posted by ges7184I think it's silly to use this kind of wild speculation to justify your booking preferences (ie "correctly").
When I say correctly, I'm not talking about preference, I'm talking about the manner that feuds of that nature generally broke. Family is dishonered, redemption of the family is achieved by winning a championship. The reason I use that match is the circumstances leading up to the match and the situation of the company at the time (remember, a month earlier many people thought the Fed would be out of business within a year and Starrcade 2000 would be in MSG) allowed for an Owen Hart win to be a distinct possibility.
I want you to know, I agree with everything I've just said.
But the thing is, the Dudleys do win most tables matches they're involved in. Not all of them, but they do seem to win most of them. I can't remember the last ladder match the Hardyz won. And of course, they're winless in TLC matches, at 0-3.