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RVD TO SMACKDOWN: Have an angle where RVD says he's sick of being held down on RAW. Heyman can approach him and tell him how he will make rvd his "golden boy" on Smackdown, like he was in ECW. RVD goes to Smackdown but doesn't like the way Heyman is acting and breaks away from him. This could lead to a Heyman/RVD feud leading to many matches as Heyman keeps recruiting people. Smackdown needs another strong face and I think RVD would be perfect.

CENA VS. ANGLE: Angle says he wants to go heel. Let him be a heel, he's a natural. Its time for WWE's top performer to have an intense feud with WWE's top rising star. They could cumilate with a match at WMania.

NEW RAW CO-GM: With HHH on top and Evolution holding every title, things are going to good for him. Make his life a nightmare by making the new Co-GM of RAW Stephanie McMahon. Imagine his reaction to having his ex-wife as a boss. You could also continue the Bischoff/Steph love-hate storyline. Since HHH has destroyed everyone on the RAW roster, who could he feud with? A returning Edge! Have Edge feud with HhH. After that you could have HhH feud with a face Jericho.

GIVE NEW PEOPLE TITLES: Allow Benoit to win the World Title. Maybe even have HhH drop the belt to Edge. Eventually give Cena a title run. Its getting boring seeing the same people switch titles around. It's time to make new champions.

COMPLETLY CHANGE SMACKDOWN: They tease it being a wrestling show...well make it completly a wrestling show. Have Heyman make it a new-ECW type show and ban DQ's from all matches. SD! has the talent to have a wrestling show (Mysterio, Angle, Gurrero, Benoit, Lesnar, Spanky, London...RVD (see above))


I think thoose are just some things that can be done...any other suggestions?

(edited by T.i.O a B.m.F on 17.12.03 0951)


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    Originally posted by T.i.O a B.m.F
    RVD TO SMACKDOWN: Have an angle where RVD says he's sick of being held down on RAW. Heyman can approach him and tell him how he will make rvd his "golden boy" on Smackdown, like he was in ECW. RVD goes to Smackdown but doesn't like the way Heyman is acting and breaks away from him. This could lead to a Heyman/RVD feud leading to many matches as Heyman keeps recruiting people. Smackdown needs another strong face and I think RVD would be perfect.

Except for the fact that RVD isn't very good, can't talk, and doesn't mesh well with top WWE talent.
    Originally posted by T.i.O a B.m.F
    CENA VS. ANGLE: Angle says he wants to go heel. Let him be a heel, he's a natural. Its time for WWE's top performer to have an intense feud with WWE's top rising star. They could cumilate with a match at WMania.

How about we let Angle heal his neck first, get better, prove he is better, and then we'll rush him back into the ring. Cena seems to be doing alright on his own right now.
    Originally posted by T.i.O a B.m.F
    NEW RAW CO-GM: With HHH on top and Evolution holding every title, things are going to good for him. Make his life a nightmare by making the new Co-GM of RAW Stephanie McMahon. Imagine his reaction to having his ex-wife as a boss. You could also continue the Bischoff/Steph love-hate storyline. Since HHH has destroyed everyone on the RAW roster, who could he feud with? A returning Edge! Have Edge feud with HhH. After that you could have HhH feud with a face Jericho.

See what I said about Angle above referencing Edge here. Also, I doubt the last thing the IWC wants to see is another HHH/Steph/Jericho feud. From the buys of WMX8, neither does the casual fan...
    Originally posted by T.i.O a B.m.F
    GIVE NEW PEOPLE TITLES: Allow Benoit to win the World Title. Maybe even have HhH drop the belt to Edge. Eventually give Cena a title run. Its getting boring seeing the same people switch titles around. It's time to make new champions.

New champions need to be believable, forged by well-written storylines told in the ring. Chris Benoit is not that person. John Cena might be.
    Originally posted by T.i.O a B.m.F
    COMPLETLY CHANGE SMACKDOWN: They tease it being a wrestling show...well make it completly a wrestling show. Have Heyman make it a new-ECW type show and ban DQ's from all matches. SD! has the talent to have a wrestling show (Mysterio, Angle, Gurrero, Benoit, Lesnar, Spanky, London...RVD (see above))

Because ECW made SO MUCH MONEY... and besides, DQs are an important part of good storytelling, forging those new championship contenders we discussed earlier!
    Originally posted by T.i.O a B.m.F
    I think thoose are just some things that can be done...any other suggestions?

Yeah, here are my suggestions...

A) Cogent booking the average fan can understand and relate to. None of this soap opera bullshit. The booking team needs to watch what made WCW work like gangbusters in 96. What made WWE work like gangbusters in 97. Stop writing 'episodic' TV and start writing good wrestling.

B) Stop listening and catering to "Joe IWC". Internet smarks make up about a gnat's ass of the prevaling opinion on who should be pushed, champion, etc. The IWC as a whole seems to enjoy the jocks of Benoit, Guerrero, RVD, Jericho, Edge... while some of them may be great wrestlers, some of them may be good wrestlers, and some of them may be useless gymnastic tools, without proper storytelling, no one will buy what they're selling us.



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My suggestions:

1. Dump all the GM's. The GM stories are overkill. The focus should be on the wrestlers not the people in charge. If anything, a GM should be a side character not a focal point of the show.

2. Kill the comebacks. Guys like Foley, Austin, Taker, etc. should not be used to build tomorrow's superstars. These guys should be used in a filler role at WMXX not as main eventers or wrestlers for that matter. You will never build new stars until the older ones step aside.

3. Start pushing new stars. Been argued here to death. Blah, blah, blah.

4. Coherent stories. No need to explain.

5. Make me want to watch. I have over 100 channels on my TV and over 100 DVD's. Give me a reason to watch. Make me care about why someone is pursuing the title belt. Force me to not change the channel.





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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.10
I agree with all of your ideas (especially the moving RVD one, as I've been begging for that since 2002), except the new co-GM one. The last thing WWE needs is new authority figures. What they need to do is get RID of the authority figures and go back to focusing the shows on the actual wrestlers. Authority figures are good in a limited role (like when Jack Tunney would make an appearance once every few months for a big announcement, and that's IT!), but they should NOT be the focal point of the show. Especially since the rebel-wrestler vs. authority figure has been done to death over the past several years.

I like giving a SmackDown a different feel, whether that's following an ECW blueprint or not. Anything to shake things up. However, banning DQs is a bad idea, as doing illegal things behind a ref's back is one of the greatest forms of generating heel heat there is.

Other than that, though, I'd say you have some damn fine ideas.



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I agree about getting rid of gm's....or atleast don't use them so much. Add 5 minutes to the WGTT/Tajiri matches and take 10 away from Sable/Vince/Steph/Bish/whoever.

Rvd on SD could possibly be good for him and the show...Say what you want whether it be how awesome he is, or how lazy/crappy he is...Fact is fans like him(those crappy foam thumbs sold well), And he can put on good matches. You just gotta put him in the right enviroment with the right crowd. He works ok with Benoit and Eddie, the cruisers would suit his style best anyway. Plus I really wanna see Shelton vs Rvd.

Do something with the Raw announcers.....They distract casual fans and pretty much let them know how crappy the match is they are watching...Or they annoy the hell out of the wiener type people. Pep Talk...different job..whatever it takes.

Stop getting new green wrestlers every week....they talk about the future of wrestling so much...the future should be the disturbling awesome selection of midcarders and even some of the more popular cruiserweights.

And I won't make anyone listen to more rants about Tajiri being HW champ.



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Im not big on the GM thing either.....However I feel that WWE has made Bischoff too much of a heel. They should of made him a tweener so he would once in a while make decisions that benefit faces. He should be doing things that benefits the show instead of benefiting the heels.
That is why I think Bischoff needs a face Co-GM to help balance things out. Heyman can be turned into the tweener that does what is best for his show despite personal feelings. Since Smackdown would be more of a wrestling show Heyman wouldn't have much of an impact, leave the theatrics to RAW.


I think everyone is against DQ's because they have been a staple of WWE forever. The key to getting WWE back on track is changes and this is a drastic one. DQ's would still be on RAW but Smackdown (the wrestling show) would offer people clean finishes and some matches would even have some hardcore elements.


And I hate to break it to you but that "soap-opera crap" is whats going to bring in the big ratings. Look how popular that Angle/Steph/HhH love triangle got. Now look how popular the Jericho/Trish love storyline is/was. The soap opera shit hooks in the casual fans.

Taking a chance and putting the belt on Benoit is a good shocking move. I think he would make a great champ. I bet no one thought putting the strap on Foley was a good idea the first time it happened. Benoit has even been delivering on his promos as of late. The only thing is I dont trust him enough to be carrying the world title into WMania. He wont be able to draw that well, giving the limited time he has before Wmania.

The reason I say Angle/Cena is because both need WMania matches and Angle has stated in a interview, "He wants to go heel and work a program with Cena." this feud is giving Angle and the fans what they want.

(edited by T.i.O a B.m.F on 17.12.03 1510)


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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.06
RAW needs a hardcore division.



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Chris Benoit tells his story in the ring. That is a dying art. Anybody disagree? Then how can you stand being here on the Wienerboard? Wieners give Benoit a literary blowjob after every big match.

You're welcome for that image.

Benoit could make a very believable champ if the writers got behind him. You don't need to push that hard, just let him be what he is and let him do what he does best. Even the dumbest of marks can see that Benoit isn't hype: he's the real thing.

As for letting Steph work anywhere near HHH...I used to like her. I used to like Hunter too. No more sparkles. Lotus sad. Dammit you've depressed me.






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How I'd change the WWF/E:

1) The Feudin' & Fussin' Has Got To Stop: Fold Stephanie, Heyman, Shane, Vince, Linda, Bischoff, Austin & Foley into the Board of Directors. They make the matches, but we rarely (if ever) see them.

2) Benoit vs. Lesnar: Angle's hurt, so why not the next best thing? Or heck, the better thing?

3) The Board of Directors has to make sure titles are defended on TV once every 30 days...or else!

They've made the rules, so why the heck don't they enforce 'em?



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    Originally posted by LotusMegami
    Chris Benoit tells his story in the ring. That is a dying art. Anybody disagree? Then how can you stand being here on the Wienerboard? Wieners give Benoit a literary blowjob after every big match.

    You're welcome for that image.

    Benoit could make a very believable champ if the writers got behind him. You don't need to push that hard, just let him be what he is and let him do what he does best. Even the dumbest of marks can see that Benoit isn't hype: he's the real thing.

    Amen...I was at the Rumble last year when Benoit got the standing O...I can't describe the feeling around the FleetCenter that night to anyone but seeing him get up and get that standing O was amazing...seeing the emotion that Benoit gave after getting the standing O was great, the other guys I went with found it pretty touching watching him...that match really showed he was a product of Japanese wrestling

    The writers just have to give him a chance to run with the ball so to speak, the marks would like him if they gave people the chance to...I would love a feud b/w him and Cena with it being built up as "the old warrior" vs "the young stallion"

    My suggestions:

    1)Trade RVD to SD! for Rhyno and Sean O'Haire
    2)Have Y2J get his ass beat by Evolution week in and week out, have Mick come out and announce the trade...then backstage have Y2J be introduced to the new guys and Mick say something like "We're it", Y2J standing there saying something like WTF are you talking about...then have Mick say that's why I made this trade, we are gonna end Evolution...I would have O'Haire play mind games with Flair/Batista/Orton, you could have Rhyno goring the living shit out of the members or Evolution sympathizers in the back and during matches, then have Y2J concentrate on HHH and the title, you also have Foley cut a classic promo on Orton
    3)I would then have a 8 man tag team to set up on RAW which would end with Foley getting the pin and the crowd goes nuts...which leads to the PPV where the matches are split up...I would have Orton beat Foley, Y2J beat HHH and O'Haire/Rhyno be the new tag champs (with O'Haire being Rhyno's "keeper" so to speak)...After the PPV, as someone suggested, make Orton realize that "Jesus I'm hanging around with a bunch of losers" then have Orton cut a nasty promo talking about how Flair "is a washed up shell of himself", how Batista "is nothing but a big pile dogshit who can't get out of his own way". and how HHH "is nothing but a Flair wannabe, who looks like he ate a sea turtle" (have Orton refer to how he is a)the best looking and b)gets all the chicks for the guys and c)how he has the best everything bla bla blah)

    4)Put the Dudleyz on the shelf for about 3 months and repackage them, their act is old

    As for SD

    1)PUSH BENOIT!!!!!!!!!!!



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<<<<4)Put the Dudleyz on the shelf for about 3 months and repackage them, their act is old>>>>>

TESTIFY!!!
Amen to that!!!
I cannot STAND the Dudleys and their lame, tired, wack act.
I was so relived they tried something with Reverend D-Von.
Same music, same shirts and camoflauge pants, same moves, same "We want tables" chant from the crowd. Gimme the remote! I can't tell the 1999 Dudleys from the 2003 Dudleys. (though I DO miss the stuttering Bubba promos)

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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.51
    Originally posted by wordlife
    "is nothing but a Flair wannabe, who looks like he ate a sea turtle"


I Don't know why I find this so Funny...




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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.78
    Originally posted by Irvine_frost
    RAW needs a hardcore division.


I honestly thought that Bischoff was bringing it back on Monday during his face-to-face with Foley ... I thought he was gonna give it to him and have a bunch of heels come out to attack him due to the 24-7 rule.



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    After the PPV, as someone suggested, make Orton realize that "Jesus I'm hanging around with a bunch of losers" then have Orton cut a nasty promo talking about how Flair "is a washed up shell of himself", how Batista "is nothing but a big pile dogshit who can't get out of his own way". and how HHH "is nothing but a Flair wannabe, who looks like he ate a sea turtle" (have Orton refer to how he is a)the best looking and b)gets all the chicks for the guys and c)how he has the best everything bla bla blah)

I don't get what this is supposed to accomplish - he's cutting a heel promo on a group that is heel. Besides that, Orton is nowhere near ready to be on his own.


    RAW needs a hardcore division

No, it doesn't.



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.10
    Originally posted by Irvine_frost
    RAW needs a hardcore division.


I thought this is what Bischoff was leading to when doing that whole Foley as Hardcore Legend thing on Monday, then showing the video from when Mick was given the "honorary" hardcore title from a few months back. It would "change the face of Raw" by bringing back the Hardcore division, then he'd make Foley the first champ and force him into a hardcore match against Kane or something where he'd get his ass kicked, thus kickstarting Mick's return to the ring.

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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff

      After the PPV, as someone suggested, make Orton realize that "Jesus I'm hanging around with a bunch of losers" then have Orton cut a nasty promo talking about how Flair "is a washed up shell of himself", how Batista "is nothing but a big pile dogshit who can't get out of his own way". and how HHH "is nothing but a Flair wannabe, who looks like he ate a sea turtle" (have Orton refer to how he is a)the best looking and b)gets all the chicks for the guys and c)how he has the best everything bla bla blah)

    I don't get what this is supposed to accomplish - he's cutting a heel promo on a group that is heel. Besides that, Orton is nowhere near ready to be on his own.



    You are right he doesn't belong on his own...YET! I should have specified a time period but I did not mean exactly right after the PPV, I would say another 2-3 months or so though.

    The promo is not a "heel" promo, the promo is a tweener promo by a guy who thinks he is "above his bretheren" and is basically speaking his mind as to how he feels...that to me would be the essence of the Orton character, he is like A-Rod in a lot of ways (GQ guy who is demanding to leave b/c he is above the team he is stuck with) basically Orton would see himself as a winner alone and is being held back by the loser trio (Batista, HHH, Flair)...I would pop to hear some guy go off on all these 3 guys, if written correctly

    My feeling is that if the WWE is going to push him down my damn throat, at least do something that would make him a cool character (b/c his in-ring work is pedestrian)



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
A tweener, huh? That's got disaster written all over. Orton's barely over as a heel, so unless he's somehow able to get hugely over overnight, I can't see that working.



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I also thought of an idea to liven up the RAW tag team division....

First off the Dudleyz need to go heel. Im talking about the monster heels that were in ECW. Run in, giving 3D's out of nowhere. Then you can have Jeff Hardy return to RAW and reform the Hardy Boyz with Matt. However Matt would still be the Sensai of Mattitude, Matt Hardy version 1.0. Jeff would be the total face and Matt would be a tweener. You can have them constantly arguing about to break up the team but somehow always manage to win. I would give them the tag belts and eventually split them up again when Jeff and Lita fall for each other.

(edited by T.i.O a B.m.F on 18.12.03 1325)


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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.99
James F.N.X. wrote:

"another HHH/Steph/Jericho feud. From the buys of WMX8, neither does the casual fan..."

WM18 was the second biggest-grossing show in history. (It was because of Rock/Hogan and not HHH/Steph/Jericho, but irregardless ...)
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    Originally posted by T.i.O a B.m.F
    Then you can have Jeff Hardy return to RAW and reform the Hardy Boyz with Matt. However Matt would still be the Sensai of Mattitude, Matt Hardy version 1.0. Jeff would be the total face and Matt would be a tweener. You can have them constantly arguing about to break up the team but somehow always manage to win. I would give them the tag belts and eventually split them up again when Jeff and Lita fall for each other.

Reforming the Hardyz freshens up the tag scene? No thanks. Matt's done too much to create his own character to go back and be overshadowed not only by Lita, but also by Jeff. Raw is better off without Jeff blowing spot after spot in all his matches.



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