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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42
I've read those reports and have seen people say they hinted at heat between the two men, but I just don't see it. What comments do you think indicate that?



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#22 Posted on
i don't remember the HHH parts off the top of my head, but jericho said two things that stick out:

he was talking about the politics and whatnot and ended it by saying some of the top tier are good guys. when the host asked him who the good guys were (a couple paragraphs later), hunter wasn't there.

the other thing that stuck out was jericho saying something pat patterson had told him: some people who help you on the way up will be the first person to knock you down when you get there. it sounded to me like he was inferring triple h.

then when you think about how jericho was paired with hunter's last girlfriend, yadda yadda yadda.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42
Triple H said he thought Jericho was talented, but was missing something, and he was sure Jericho would someday find it.

I noticed those comments from Jericho too, but I think you (and others) may be looking too deep into it.



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to each his own! =)



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#25 Posted on
To those who make the Kurt Angle comparisons.. THIS ISN'T KURT ANGLE. When Kurt Angle jobbed to end his first title reign, there were three significant differences between that match and this one:

1) The Rock-Angle feud was the main focus of the Federation at the time. Conversely, Jericho & HHH had to take a back seat to the NWO angle and the Rock-Hogan buildup.

2) The TITLE was the main focus of the feud. It was all about how both men wanted to be champion. The Jericho/HHH feud was about the divorce from day one, and because of that, Jericho, the CHAMPION FOR CHRIST'S SAKE, was the distraction rather than the main attraction.

3) Kurt Angle clearly stayed within the top ranks of the Federation after the defeat, as he entered an extended feud with Benoit and then got another shot at the top with Austin. The jury's out on Jericho, but with him working with MATT HARDY at the tapings last night, it doesn't look good.

Translation: Things are far bleaker for Jericho than they were for Angle.



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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42
OK, first off, I remember shortly after losing his belt, Kurt Angle going one on one with Scotty 2 Hotty.

Second, the title run itself is not the argument. The question is whether the WWF has already given up on Jericho. The Kurt Angle comparison is to show that the WWF generally doesn't give the ball to first-time heel champions. The different feuds are just that-different. But in both cases the champion was made to look weak and vulnerable. Kurt Angle came out OK, and I am sure Chris Jericho will as well.



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#27 Posted on
Remember, though, that Kurt went 1 on 1 with Scottie just to break his ankle and put him out.

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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42
I realize this, but I can't really get into the Jericho/Hardy match because I would hate to spoil that oh-so-important-and-transcendent happening on Smackdown for anyone.



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I'm amazed that just a few weeks after Jericho drops the title, people actually think he's been 'killed'. Personally, I think they're using Jericho to elevate one or both the Hardyz - which is one of the things the TOP GUYS do, by the way.
Jericho is stronger now than he's ever been. His heel title run was nothing short of awesome, and he'll get another one, guaranteed.



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#30 Posted on
I'm with Brew on this one.

I'm not seeing how Jericho is pushing up daisies here. He only lost the World Title what...10 days ago? Give it some time - and add to the fact that there's NO STEPHANIE.




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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.87
I think Jericho's probably better off without the title. Now that he's dropped it, I'm willing to bet he'll be scoring a clean win once in awhile. He doesn't have to worry about messing around with Austin and Triple H as much, so you can bet he'll be running wild over the midcarders. Kurt Angle's first title run ended without him really ever getting any clean victories - and what happened? He was put into a program with Chris Benoit where he immediately got pinfall after pinfall on the Crippler.

Jericho will be just fine.




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#32 Posted on
Hmm...Oddly enough, I'm in VEHEMENT agreement with Brew, Kawshen and cfgb!

Jericho will be fine and separating him from H}{H and Austin can only HELP him in the long run. He can be a stronger heel now because he doesn't have to act like a chickenshit when he faces the Hardyz or Raven or whatever midcard fodder they feed to him. He can save the chickenshit act for those rare matches with Rock, Austin, and H}{H.



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#33 Posted on
And don't forget he can easily go on a rampage on the mic, playing off the 'I was never given any credit! I was never taken seriously!' stuff just before (for the angle) injuring someone..

When I was watching OTR and HHH said what he did about Jericho all I could think was two things:
1- The IWC would go crazy about this, bumping their heads against the glass ceiling that is there for Chris.
2- Damn, H is right..he had an awesome run, but (for the casual non smarty-we love jericho fans) he just wasnt cutting it. He missed that little something. He had it in some moments, he didn't have it in moments, and he totally lost it when Steph became involved..

I expect Jericho to keep on playing with the Big Boys. Remember, he is still 6-0 against Rock!




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#34 Posted on

    Originally posted by dMp
    And don't forget he can easily go on a rampage on the mic, playing off the 'I was never given any credit! I was never taken seriously!' stuff just before (for the angle) injuring someone..

    When I was watching OTR and HHH said what he did about Jericho all I could think was two things:
    1- The IWC would go crazy about this, bumping their heads against the glass ceiling that is there for Chris.
    2- Damn, H is right..he had an awesome run, but (for the casual non smarty-we love jericho fans) he just wasnt cutting it. He missed that little something. He had it in some moments, he didn't have it in moments, and he totally lost it when Steph became involved..

    I expect Jericho to keep on playing with the Big Boys. Remember, he is still 6-0 against Rock!



Does "not fucking the bosses daughter to get the book" constitute "not cutting it"?
How was it his fault he was never booked to go over in any kind of strong fashion during his title run?
I'm not the hugest Jericho fan, but to suggest his title run was a failure because of anything he (and not the booking comittee/writers/HHH) did is ridiculous.



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#35 Posted on
It seems we have finally crystallized the argument into the pessimists vs. the optimists. Personally, I stand on the side that says that the WWF has screwed up royally most of the time in the past and destroyed guys irreparably, and there is no reason to think differently. Of course there are those who are certain this time they'll get it right. I hope the optimists are right, and that 18 months from now it's not Jericho vs. Edge for the 8 billionth time for the IC belt, on a card with a main event of a 6 pack match for the title of Hogan, Nash, UT, HHH, Austin, and Rock. But considering that lately it seems to be an endless cycle of saying "let's see how this pans out" followed by "well that didn't work out so well, but I'm sure this time they'll get right" I wouldn't be too confident. Hope you enjoyed your time above the ceiling Chris. Your midcard friends would like to welcome you home.



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#36 Posted on
Jericho's chances at becoming a viable draw are long gone - and that's coming from probably the #1 rational Jericho mark on the planet.

Jericho has eaten major, damaging losses at key points to clearly make him appear under the top tier of superstars. Let's do a test, shall we?

Of the top major superstars (Rock, Austin, HHH, Undertaker), which could potentially be booked to defeat Kane cleanly? All of them, quite obviously.

Now let's look at Jericho - could Jericho be booked to defeat Kane cleanly? Of course not, silly.

Thus, Jericho is not in the top tier...regardless of how good his pops are (were, since they've steadily decreased due to shitty push) he has never been given a truly credible win over a main event performer, sans the tag team title match vs. Austin and HHH, but that was kinda screwy and Jericho was promptly killed off directly after it.

Since Kane is not a top star, and Jericho is below Kane, what does that make Jericho?


(Thanks to Frank Jewett for defining the "Kane is glass ceiling" theory so eloquently)



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#37 Posted on
I'm sure everything I say now has been said before, but they killed him from day 1 of his "Undisputed reign". I hated him! I fucking hated him! Wait........I didn't hate him, I hated what the WWF made of him. A heel Jericho as WWF champion has always been my dream, what a wonderful chance for the WWF to make a new kind of champion, someone who's not scared of every midcarder, someone who's talking trash to *anyone* in sight, a cocky, yet self-confident guy! But what a sad sad turn for the worst of all! That whiny bitchy jerk who looked like a girl when facing his opponent made me scream in front of the TV, cursing everyone responsible for making a joke out of Jericho. You think you've seen everything with Angle's first title reign? Dream on! How am I ever about to take Jericho for real again after this disaster? He's gold on the mic, and he carried a lot of people to great matches (or maybe they carried him, but fact is, they were great!), but burying him for about 3 years should be enough now!
Just give that man a clean win soon!



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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42
I repeat, what he did during his title reign is now irrelevant and is in truth forgotten. It's how the WWF follows up on it this summer is that will determine Jericho's future success. The same was true for Angle, and the WWF followed through with good feuds with Benoit, Shane and Austin. Jericho doesn't have a fresh;y turned opponent to face like Angle did with Benoit and Austin, but I have faith in the WWF to find things for him to do that will make him look good.

It seems like I've said it a million times on this board, but here it is again. Vince McMahon is not an idiot. He realizes he needs to create new stars. Believe it or not, the WWF is interested in making money.



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#39 Posted on
    Originally posted by spf2119
    Personally I don't think Kurt has yet recovered from his craptacular first title reign. He had one hot run this summer, but Austin was in such a heel groove that ANYONE could have run well against him. The only reason Kurt gets any big reaction these days is his music is easy to chant in time with. He has never been as hot as he was during the HHH/Kurt/Steph triangle stuff which got so royally botched up. Seriously, is there anyone who would watch Angle/HHH right now and think Angle stood a chance in hell these days?


Erg... wah? He's not as hot now as he was when he was in the middle of a hot a(A)ngle. Couldn't the same thing be said for everyone everytime in the history of history?

The fact is, Angle has carved a solid niche for himself, he's a viable title contender, and he's the most over heel in the WWF. If you were ever expecting more for the guy, then you were just being unrealistic.

And I think Angle stands as much chance against HHH now as he did two years ago: that is, he might win but probably not at all cleanly. And really the same could be said for any top-card heel against any top-card face in the WWF. BUT if you really want to get all game-hatey and say he'd never beat HHH, then you'd really be saying more about how much less HHH loses these days than how much less Angle wins.

    Originally posted by spf2119
    It seems we have finally crystallized the argument into the pessimists vs. the optimists. Personally, I stand on the side that says that the WWF has screwed up royally most of the time in the past and destroyed guys irreparably, and there is no reason to think differently. Of course there are those who are certain this time they'll get it right. I hope the optimists are right, and that 18 months from now it's not Jericho vs. Edge for the 8 billionth time for the IC belt, on a card with a main event of a 6 pack match for the title of Hogan, Nash, UT, HHH, Austin, and Rock. But considering that lately it seems to be an endless cycle of saying "let's see how this pans out" followed by "well that didn't work out so well, but I'm sure this time they'll get right" I wouldn't be too confident. Hope you enjoyed your time above the ceiling Chris. Your midcard friends would like to welcome you home.


Er... yeah. What? Vader? Luger? Steamboat? Um... who are we supposed to be talking about that was "destroyed irreperably"? The Big Show? Owen?

In order: Fine I'll give you that one, he sucked, that was twenty years ago get over it, he sucks, he died too soon. Really, I find the very notion of "destroyed irreperably" to be idiotic. As if the majority of the fanbase won't have forgotten this entire angle by this time next year, anyway.

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#40 Posted on
First off, exactly how many new stars has Vince created in the last few years? Let's look at the topcard right now and about when they came up to main event status:

Steve Austin - 1997
Rock - 1998
HHH- 1999
Undertaker - 1991
Hulk Hogan - 1983
Kevin Nash - 1994
Scott Hall - 1992

Seems the well has gotten a touch dry lately.

As for the other point about wasted talent, I'm thinking about guys who at some point were on the "tipping point" where they could have fallen into the top card for good, or been yanked into the midcard forever. Now just because I name these guys doesn't mean I like them or wish they had gone to the top. Just examples:

Test - he was white hot and logic should have dictated a huge feud with HHH. IIRC, they had one match, HHH squashed him like a bug (gee, how familiar). Test has never come close to that point, because he was made such a bitch.

Tazz - Perhaps a victim of bad timing, but still, a guy who for whatever reasons crowds always have reacted hugely to. But he was jobbed into oblivion and never truly recovered.

Rikishi - Yes, people pop big for his ass. But there was a point in early 2000-mid 2000 when Rikishi was one big win over a top heel away from becoming a permanent part of the topcard and more than just the funny fat guy who dances.

Kurt Angle - I put Kurt in here because I don't believe that there's much chance of successfully rehabbing him back to topcard status in the modern day WWF. He's always going to end up being the top of the bottom or bottom of the top. Capable of a fill-in at the top, but never really able to stick at the tip top. He could have had he gone over in a great way in the HHH/Steph/Angle triangle, but when HHH/Steph walked together with Angle looking beaten and confused in the ring, it was game, set match.

I have no doubt others will be able to contribute their own case studies of misuse by Vince. Because while Vince wants to make money, he also wants everyone to know he's doing it HIS way and his alone. Anyone who doesn't quite fit into his picture of what SHOULD be a main eventer fails, unless they somehow by sheer force of will get so over they can change the face of wrestling, and yes I'm looking at YOU! Steve Austin.





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