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#1 Posted on
Well, Raw drew a 3.8, which indicates that everyone that tuned in to give Raw another chance have turned it off again. This seems to happen repeatedly. When are they going to learn that a star returning won't bring back ratings alone...the star needs to be involved in something interesting.
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#2 Posted on
Well, I found the last few Raws plenty interesting. Maybe the casual fan just has suck-ass taste and should stick to "Friends".

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#3 Posted on

    Originally posted by sergeial
    Well, I found the last few Raws plenty interesting. Maybe the casual fan just has suck-ass taste and should stick to "Friends".

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"Friends" has better long-term planning than WWE. Of course, they DID fuck-up the Joey/Rachel angle.



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#4 Posted on
Dammit! That show last night was good, hell it was great and it got a 3.8.

Austin is doing something interesting. His feud with the Rock is the best thing I've seen in a year. It's so much fun watching these two.

Hell I can't explain it, last night seemed like they pulled out as good a show as you can, for inring fun and building purposes and the rating still drops, that's unfortunate.



(edited by Net Hack Slasher on 18.3.03 1644)


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#5 Posted on
I think it's coming back. Gosh, look at since last fall:
October 14 2002 3.8
October 21 2002 3.7
October 28 2002 3.4
November 4 2002 3.5
November 11 2002 3.1
November 18 2002 3.7
November 25 2002 3.4
December 2 2002 3.3
December 9 2002 3.3
December 16 2002 3.5
December 23 2002 3.3
December 30 2002 2.8
January 6, 2003 3.6
January 13, 2003 3.9
January 20, 2003 3.8
January 27, 2003 4.1
February 3, 2003 3.4
February 10, 2003 3.9
February 17, 2003 3.9
February 24, 2003 4.0
March 3, 2003 4.5
March 10, 2003 4.0

Admittedly, the ratings came up and then fell. Well, why could it have fallen. The Prez is on announcing war? Maybe. But it might be an anomaly. Notice in January, we had a forey into 4.1, then fell back to 3.4. So they have to deliver and the fall offs will be the same, just the returns will be higher. I look for about a 4.2 or 4.3 or maybe higher next week before Wrestlemania and maybe a nice hop after(Maybe a 5...). Then another fall off. Last year:

March 4, 2002 4.5
March 11, 2002 4.5
March 18, 2002 5.3 post WM RAW
March 25, 2002 5.4
April 1, 2002 4.8
April 8, 2002 4.8

2001
March 19, 2001 4.6
March 26, 2001 4.7
April 2, 2001 5.7 post WM RAW
April 9, 2001 5.4
April 16, 2001 5.1
April 23, 2001 5.1
April 30, 2001 4.98

2000
March 13, 2000 6.3
March 20, 2000 6.2
March 27, 2000 6.6
April 3, 2000 6.4 post WM RAW
April 10, 2000 6.2
April 17, 2000 6.7

1999
March 15, 1999 5.8
March 22, 1999 6.4
March 29, 1999 6.5 post WM RAW
April 5, 1999 5.8
April 12, 1999 6.3

so you can see, historically, we ought to see a bump the week before, the day after, then a one week drop.

(edited by AWArulz on 18.3.03 1704)


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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95
If nothing else, this should finally convince them that no matter how many people they bring back, interest in wrestling is down. The short term ratings will spike, but will return to normal. The casual fan is long gone and no matter how much they try to recreate 1999, it ain't gonna happen.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95
Man oh man, lookit those 5's and 6's. I remember how I used to laugh and laugh at WCW for getting 3's and 4's. Damn.



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#8 Posted on

    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    If nothing else, this should finally convince them that no matter how many people they bring back, interest in wrestling is down. The short term ratings will spike, but will return to normal. The casual fan is long gone and no matter how much they try to recreate 1999, it ain't gonna happen.


Yeah. The answer to getting back ratings is NOT bringing back guys who were once successful. They have to slowly build up new guys. They need to let Booker T, Chris Jericho, Rob Van Dam, Chris Benoit, and John Cena be today's top stars. No matter how much The Rock, Steve Austin, Goldberg, Triple H, and Undertaker meant back in 1999, it is not 1999 anymore. No matter how big and how over a guy was, characters get stale. I mean, I'm as big a Rock fan as the next guy, but he's been on top of the company since 1998. Triple H has been on the top since 1999, and he was never that over to begin with (C'mon guys. Even the biggest Triple H marks have to realize that he was just hanging on Rock's coat-tails back in 2000). Goldberg's been gone for too long for people to care about him now. Austin has been on top since 1997. And Undertaker has been on top since 1990. 19-FUCKING-90!!!! They're getting old. It's time to let the new crop of stars grab the ball, and see how far they run with it.

Almost every big company turn-around has been because of a big new star. Hogan was a new star in 1985. Austin was a new star in 1997. They are NOT new stars in 2003. But Benoit could be. And Jericho could be. And Van Dam could be. And Booker could be. And Cena could be. So why not let them?



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#9 Posted on
I guess it's possible that many people were more interested in programs regarding the war last night than wrestling. The O`Reilly Factor did a 4.9, which is far higher than usual, and it ran head to head with the first hour of raw.
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#10 Posted on
It was not even a choice for me last night. I watched Children of Dune. How many of the regular fans (who happen to be geeks) like me jumped ship to watch that?




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#11 Posted on
I didn't do either. It WAS St. Patty's day, you know, and I was at the bars getting hammered. But that's just me :)



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#12 Posted on
You know, it's funny because whenever the WWE gets a good rating for one of it's shows it's "oh, look we did so well against such and such a show, we're so great" but when they get a bad rating it's "oh, it's just because such and such a show was on, it doesn't mean anything."





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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.44
Actually, on the dirtsheets, it goes like this:

Ratings went up: "This is obviously a short-term phenomenon, and not signs of an upswing."

Ratings went down: "Obviously, the fans were annoyed by a lackluster show, and so we can assume WWE will be out of business in 6 months." Ok, that's hyperbole.



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#14 Posted on
Why does this surprise anyone? Anyone who wasn't blocking out every criticism of Austin like a Scientologist blocks out reality could see this coming. Anyone who didn't like Austin either "wasn't a fan" or was "critical of everything WWE does" and was supposed to be "marking out like crazy" when Austin returned despite saying he or she wouldn't. None of those Austin apologists had much to say about the dismal rating or the fact the resurgence he was supposed to provide is over already.

Austin was a stale character. He was stale before he left, and he's back and is exactly the same. He's got nothing new. The Rock's a lot of fun, but he's got nothing new. The 543th match between these guys is not the be-all-end-all of a solid WM buyrate. It's time to put some new guys on top and build for the future. And unlike most people who make this statement I'm not saying doing so will draw the 6's and 7's like in the good old days. The sooner WWE realizes that Hogan/Austin/Rock level stars just happen and cannot be whipped up (Luger, anybody?) the happier we'll all be. My reasoning is that if new guys on top can draw the same number the old guard can, why the hell not go with the new ones?

It's not a horrible rating if we're realistic. The aim should be to keep that rating with new material featured so that it won't be a shock to the system in a year when Austin and Rock and Hogan and Angle are all gone. Most if not all of them for good. But Austin was not going to save anything, he doesn't like "creative" and he's going to realize he doesn't need this anymore sooner or later and he's going to go home, most likely when the contract runs out in September. It wasn't just going to be 1998 all over again for no apparent reason. Maybe if he starts doing the zamboni stuff and breaking shit the ratings will come in, or maybe they won't.

Or maybe it's time we all admitted, and the WWE admitted, and Russo over at TNA admitted that the Attitude Era is over. That it was, much like Rock 'N' Wrestling, a mere fad that was great while it lasted. The focus should be to make the period between that fad and the next a lot less painful that the gap between the previous too. Yeah, Berserker, Kama, Mantaur, and RAW BOWL---I'm talking to you.

I just don't see why this is a surprise to anyone.







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#15 Posted on
They'd have to want to make new stars, they don't or they would have by now. They had potential future superstars handed to them in Jericho, Van Dam, and Angle and they blew them all.

They waited too long with Jericho and when they finally pulled the trigger, it was about 6-8 months too late. Angle had crazy momenteum his first year and they missed their chance by doing stupid comedy. RVD's peaked and he's in Jericho 2001 territory now where it's probably too late to really make anything of him.

Austin will help stop the bleeding if he works house shows but the time to make new stars was 2 years ago. They didn't have to hope for the next guy to break out of obscurity but they blew it and now they have to pray someone catches on.
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#16 Posted on

    Originally posted by fuelinjected
    They'd have to want to make new stars, they don't or they would have by now. They had potential future superstars handed to them in Jericho, Van Dam, and Angle and they blew them all.

    They waited too long with Jericho and when they finally pulled the trigger, it was about 6-8 months too late. Angle had crazy momenteum his first year and they missed their chance by doing stupid comedy. RVD's peaked and he's in Jericho 2001 territory now where it's probably too late to really make anything of him.

    Austin will help stop the bleeding if he works house shows but the time to make new stars was 2 years ago. They didn't have to hope for the next guy to break out of obscurity but they blew it and now they have to pray someone catches on.



Exactly. That is the real reason WWE is where it is. No new "Austin" or "Rock" on the horizon. You are right, WWE should have built around Angle starting with the HHH/Angle/Steph triangle. They had another chance to build around RVD. I guess they are going to try to build around The Book, but they have damaged him so much, I don't think that will work.



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#17 Posted on
This thread kind of degenerated into a "who can save WWE" rather than "why were the ratings down last Raw". But that's cool.

My 2 Cents. There are only two guys on the roster currently who could be that breakout new star. Brock and Booker. Booker's relatively old, but he's still got 4-5 years left. Brock's got as much as he wants. The rest: I have stated my opinions of Jericho, Benoit and the rest of the bunch. If Booker and Brock are to join Trips, Rock, Angle, Hogan, 'Taker and Michaels as the true main eventers of the WWF they have to have charisma, speaking skills and at least some in-ring ability - even if it's a plodding power style (Hogan and Taker are this, for example).

Of the ones that are down the roster but have an outside chance: Cena, Batista (Looks mean a lot, my friends) and I think Shelton Benjamin. The rest are great mid-carders with an occasional rise to the top card. My 2 cents.



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#18 Posted on
    Originally posted by fuelinjected
    They had potential future superstars handed to them in Jericho, Van Dam, and Angle and they blew them all.


That's really sad too, because these guys were handed to them on a silver platter. They didn't have to work for it, and they didn't have to bust their ass building these guys up so the fans would accept them. The fans clicked with them immediatley, but the WWF just fucked it up, because they would rather give Big Show or Albert a push.

Chris Jericho came in and instantly had mega-heat with the fans. Rob Van Dam came in and instantly had mega-heat with the fans. Kurt Angle came in and instantly had mega-heat with the fans.

But immediatley they started to say: Chris Jericho is too small and can't work main-event style. Rob Van Dam is too small and can't work main-event style. Kurt Angle is too small and can't work main-event style. HOLY SHIT!!! LOOK AT THAT BRADSHAW OVER THERE! HE SURE IS A HOSS. LET'S PUSH THAT MOTHER FUCKER TO THE MOON, AND IF THE FANS DON'T LIKE IT, THEY CAN KISS ARE ASSES!!!

I was watching the WrestleMania 2000 DVD yesterday, and there's an extra were Bruce Pritchard says how the WWF always listens to the fans and gives them what they want. I couldn't disagree more.

(edited by OMEGA on 19.3.03 1157)


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#19 Posted on
    Originally posted by dskillz
    Exactly. That is the real reason WWE is where it is. No new "Austin" or "Rock" on the horizon. You are right, WWE should have built around Angle starting with the HHH/Angle/Steph triangle. They had another chance to build around RVD. I guess they are going to try to build around The Book, but they have damaged him so much, I don't think that will work.


The worst part about it is that they don't even know how to use the current "Austin" or "Rock" they have on their active roster.


    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    Why does this surprise anyone? Anyone who wasn't blocking out every criticism of Austin like a Scientologist blocks out reality could see this coming. Anyone who didn't like Austin either "wasn't a fan" or was "critical of everything WWE does" and was supposed to be "marking out like crazy" when Austin returned despite saying he or she wouldn't. None of those Austin apologists had much to say about the dismal rating or the fact the resurgence he was supposed to provide is over already.

    Austin was a stale character. He was stale before he left, and he's back and is exactly the same. He's got nothing new.



Where is Austin hijacking an ambulance? A forklift? A semi-truck? Why isn't Austin breaking out the hunting rifle and bear traps? Why isn't Austin setting things on fire? You couldn't be any more wrong. He isn't the same character that he was before he left.

The problem is not that Austin is a stale character, it's that the Steve Austin that we see on T.V. right now isn't the Austin that you think fans are "tired" of. Austin has lost a crucial element to his character. He is no longer the reckless rebel that he was back in 1998. The people that are currently writing WWE think that the Austin character was all about giving Stunners and drinking beer. There were many more dimensions to the hell raising character that he used to be. He's not raising hell right now, he's just beating people up.

If Austin was acting more like he was in his prime, and there's no reason why he couldn't be, I believe RAW's ratings would be up because Austin would be doing compelling things aside from just giving Stunners to Eric Bischoff.

What we're seeing right now is like Hulk Hogan in WCW when he entered in 1994. There was something missing to him that he had back in the old WWF, but he lost somewhere along the line in WCW. He lacked the fire and determination that he once had and just seemed satisfied going through the motions night after night.

Feuding with The Rock again isn't helping matters. While they still are, I believe, the most talented performers in WWE right now (that aren't Kurt Angle), there just isn't any tension or real conflict between the two. Their feud feels "fun," but not "epic." WrestleMania feuds are built on hatred, and I'm just not feeling any.

Part of this blame does fall on Austin's shoulders, as he just seems too glad to be back in WWE to really concentrate on developing his character. He's glad to have all of the bad shit that happened in 2002 behind him and is satisfied just going out and playing to the crowd night after night. He doesn't seem hungry enough to transform his character into the extreme asshole he used to be. That's the guy the fans liked.

(edited by SKLOKAZOID on 19.3.03 1126)
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#20 Posted on

    Originally posted by OMEGA


    I was watching the WrestleMania 2000 DVD yesterday, and there's an extra were Bruce Pritchard says how the WWF always listens to the fans and gives them what they want. I couldn't disagree more.

    (edited by OMEGA on 19.3.03 1157)



Ditto over here. But, I still don't get too uppity about the ratings much. As obnoxious as they come off about how they listen to the fans and all that, I must say that for the last couple months RAW has been improving, maybe not by leaps and bounds, but bounds. Most people probably turned off becaust they think that Austin hasn't changed at all since he was around last in June. He still "What?"s and all that. You'd think that after almost a year off you'd change your outlook a little. HHH has less face time (to appease the rest of you, I'm sure), but is working with Booker T and Goldust nicely. The women are WRESTLING and wrestling well. Things are going okay for me. I"m happy with the fact that this Wrestlemania hype (despite the Angle worries) is going much better than a year ago this time when we contended with skin rashes, Half-cut cars, attempted bulldog vehicular homicide, and japanese shampoo (which I tried once and it's really good!). One week to go, and I'll officially congratulate them for the difference. Let the numbers follow, but just concentrate on the quality over the long haul.

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