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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.11
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    If you don't trust Brock long term, why did they sign him for a whole year? Why not just bring him in for a single match as needed?

WWE doesn't actually hold all the cards, especially with a commodity like Brock. The E & Brock's people negotiated a deal. Presumably with a typical worker, I assume WWE pretty much calls the shots. With somebody like Brock, I'd assume there was a lot of back & forth to get a deal in place. If, hypothetically, Brock's side opened with "I want 5 years, downside guarantee, $xxx, maximum of n dates", & WWE wanted a one shot or short term, that might just have been the compromise deal that they reached.

    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    Why do the match one month after everyone just paid for WrestleMania instead of SummerSlam or some other bigger show?
Again, my theory, but ... to ride the "Wrestlemania wave". There's just been a lot of hype for WM outside the existing fan base -- let's try to keep that interest rolling by bringing in a name with outside recognition. They did make sure to hint around at Brock for WM. There's also that negotiation factor. And also, use him while he's fit, healthy & motivated.

    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    ... Why do it with Cena, who's killed many monsters, and not Sheamus or Punk?
I'd say that goes with "ride the wave". Open him with the biggest name on the roster, & keep it "close". That legitimizes both of them to the "outside world".

    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    I think, after all of this happens, WWE thinks the reason people are not watching RAW as much is because John Cena is not beloved enough by the audience, and the only way they can fix that is to do more for John Cena. If you start from that vantage point, it makes sense why they went out of their way to make sure Cena got jabs in on the Rock. (Rock was too awesome to let it stick.) It makes sense to have John Cena beat him, to see if that gets some buzz back. It makes sense for Cena's arm not be broken more than day and HHH's to be broken instead. (It's why CM Punk never beat Cena for the title without Cena being distracted.) It's all about John Cena.
Meanwhile, every bit of this is also a reasonable theory. "Shoring up Cena" could well be a short term Brock usage. What I wouldn't see them doing is counting on Brock for a long-term program with their top guy, Cena. Setting up a program with HHH is also a fine short-term plan -- HHH is relatively disposable as a worker at this point, but is in an excellent position to deal with any potential flakiness by Brock. If things do go smoothly with Brock, you could easily slide Sheamus into that mix. So there are various possibilities, but by my theory, they shouldn't lock into any set, long-term plan around Brock.

    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    I don't want to be a Cena hater, but it definitely feels like the time where they ought to be moving on. Instead, they're doubling down.
Not sure what you mean here? Are you saying that WWE should walk away from Cenas as their top guy?
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.18
If you top guy is getting terrible ratings and one of the leading factors why your stock hits lows then maybe you need a new top guy. Yes, he and Rock did a lot of buys, but a lot of those buys were to see your top guy get the shit kicked out of him. Also, with the amount of pops and merchandise Punk sells, he should be the top man. It should be Punk beating the monsters and stopping Big Johnny since you know Ace came from the Summer of Punk storyline. They need to make new stars and not rely on one man. A man who gets booed out of arenas and people are buying money to see destroyed.

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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
Cena wasn't exactly the top guy at first when he won the belt. Batista was. He consistently got the main event slot over Cena until WWE finally acknowledged Cena's popularity, and I think it even happened well until Cena/HHH at WM22 broke the streak.

Change is slow. These things take time, and CM Punk is obviously being groomed for that slot. He's been given an extended WWE Title reign and the second-to-last spot (and usually the show-stealing match) just before the main event.

It's not just Cena that's getting terrible ratings. It's Punk, too, and Lesnar, and HHH, and everyone. Still, despite these ratings, WWE TV is considerably better than it was a year ago.
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.73
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    If you don't trust Brock long term, why did they sign him for a whole year? Why not just bring him in for a single match as needed? Why do the match one month after everyone just paid for WrestleMania instead of SummerSlam or some other bigger show? Why do it with Cena, who's killed many monsters, and not Sheamus or Punk?


That's the thing. Nothing wrong with bringing in Brock Lesnar to have a dream match with John Cena and put him over. But if you're going to buy a year of Lesnar, 24 dates, 3-5 PPV matches for $5 million, you'd think you'd have a better thought out plan for once you get beyond the first match. They seem to conceive of his value as not being about the intrigue of "who could ever beat the unstoppable Brock Lesnar" (answer is now any WWE top guy, if they get lucky enough) but in Brock Lesnar being a Controversial Superstar (whoops sorry, he's not a superstar) and figuring he'd keep all his heat just by being Brock Lesnar and breaking Triple H's arm. Which they'll probably be right about when it comes to his TV heat, but for business, I guess we'll see.

I'm betting at the end of the contract, we'll be able to re-order his programs and his scheduled wins/losses in a way that would've made more practical sense. But it'll be pretty darn funny if they have Laurinaitis pin Cena for "ah how dare you" heat 3 weeks later.

    Originally posted by lotjx
    If you top guy is getting terrible ratings



    Also, with the amount of pops and merchandise Punk sells, he should be the top man.


1 would seem to contradict 2. Like I wrote a couple days ago, I think Punk is in a great position because he's being protected from being scapegoated for a negative ratings pattern in the 11:00 spot while getting entrenched as a main player in his own right.


    one of the leading factors why your stock hits lows


Nah, Wall Street has nothing to do with John Cena overcoming the odds. The stock is 100% people scared that they're about to blow a ton of money launching the network.
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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.02
Not for nothing, but as Cena has pointed out for well over a year now, he's still here. Still on Raw, still slogging it out with no vacations, doing charity work, towing the company line and doing what he's asked by the company day in, day out.

Shoring up Cena rather than giving someone else the ball to run with? Time will tell if that's wise. Sure as hell sounds fair, though.

Again, in time the Cena mixed reaction might come back, but he is the company man and has done everything asked of him. Rewarding him isn't a bad idea.

As for how Brock pans out, who knows. They don't seem to be mishandling him.

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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.29
cubs is saying a lot of what I think, how it has nothing to do with "hating" Cena so much as being kind of perplexed by their long-term planning, or lack thereof.
    Originally posted by emma
      Originally posted by thecubsfan
      I don't want to be a Cena hater, but it definitely feels like the time where they ought to be moving on. Instead, they're doubling down.
    Not sure what you mean here? Are you saying that WWE should walk away from Cenas as their top guy?
It's crazy to think about it, but next month will mark Cena's tenth year as a WWE Superstar and he just passed his sixth year as the #1 guy in the company. Hogan's sixth Wrestlemania, of course, saw what was intended to be the clearest "passing of the torch" moment they've ever attempted. Arguably, they know by now exactly how successful the company can be with Cena at the top. I don't think it's time to walk away from Cena as the top guy (I think, in fact, that would be a huge mistake, because Cena's obviously a smart guy, an invaluable PR machine, a tremendous main event worker and still has a major card to play with a heel turn that will easily earn him one or two more years at the top whenever they go for it), but it probably is time for them to start thinking about a succession plan.

Instead, they've seemingly spent the last three years burning through surprisingly hot options in an effort to avoid the issue. Nexus was the first "Wait, what if there's something else?" option, but they ended up sacrificing both a dominant heel faction angle and an invasion angle to the Cena option with little to show for it. Summer of Punk II was their second chance to take a shot an an Austin-like anti-hero figure, and while I pin the blame on the failure there squarely on HHH (who messed up their first chance to get an Austin-like anti-hero run with Orton in '09), the fact that they never did give Punk the big, clean win over Cena at least speaks to the fact that they were still afraid to really consider their options. And now they take a third chance for a monster heel/returning superstar/this-is-all-real shoot angle, and they don't pull the obvious trigger of using Cena up front to earn more money down the line, going for the quick cash-in right away instead.

I don't think Cena has anything to do with any of it, honestly. I think it's definitely a case of reluctance/fear/spite/complacency at the top. But one problem is, they're only going to get so many of these chances presented to them to move a guy or two up to that very top level as a true peer and possible successor, and it's getting costlier each time they punt instead. And the other problem is that they're simply not good enough or creative enough to bolster Cena's popularity (much like they weren't with HHH) in a way that doesn't involve (sometimes accidentally, sometimes intentionally) making other people less popular.

    Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
    These things take time, and CM Punk is obviously being groomed for that slot.
I don't think so. I think Sheamus is the guy they're grooming to succeed Cena. He's more malleable than Punk and he's the kind of guy they understand, whereas I'm willing to bet Punk's popularity still confounds Vince (and maybe even HHH) on some level. Punk is the kind of guy they should be embracing, since he's perfectly capable and willing to engage different audiences and has an uncanny balance for staying in character while getting people to think he's not actually playing one, which should be the new face of kayfabe. But he's also not going to be the guy they want as their face for Make-A-Wish efforts, Tributes to the Troops and Nick Kid's Choice awards shows. If Cena's Hogan, Punk is Savage, and his title reign right now is Savage's reign between the formation and explosion of the MegaPowers. (Which, frankly, ain't a bad place to be.)

Sheamus, though, that's a guy who can go be harmless and get covered in slime and sell toys. And I don't mean that as a knock, because he's surprised me by coming a long way since that first title win and can play face and heel. But the 18 second match at Wrestlemania and the fact that they were going to move right to a Del Rio feud makes it pretty obvious they thought they could steamroll ahead with him much in the same way they tend to do with Cena, instead of running into the same problem they did last year when they completely misread how the crowd was going to react to Christian winning and losing the belt.

Which gets back to the real problem, that they keep getting clear signals of what the crowd is interested in (Orton in 2009, Punk in 2011, Brock in 2012 and Bryan somewhere in the middle) and refuse to adapt, which leaves them with one top guy (and two aging, once-a-year special attractions) and a growing pool of talent with ever-decreasing chances to demonstrate drawing ability even as they intend to start a massive venture that will require morestars.
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.28
I hope I'm not overposting on this topic, I feel like I've gone way too deep into "someone on the internet is wrong!" land.


    WWE doesn't actually hold all the cards, especially with a commodity like Brock. The E & Brock's people negotiated a deal. Presumably with a typical worker, I assume WWE pretty much calls the shots. With somebody like Brock, I'd assume there was a lot of back & forth to get a deal in place. If, hypothetically, Brock's side opened with "I want 5 years, downside guarantee, $xxx, maximum of n dates"


This is hard to figure, because we don't know exactly what's going on Brock's head - it's appears to be a scary violent place - but my hunch is Brock would've come to the table asking for a short a deal as possible and it's WWE who convinced him to go up to a year. We do know is he hated being a day in and day out professional wrestler last time thru. He also seemed to want to leave home as little as possible during his MMA career - he wanted to show up, have the fight, and go home. I really believe it was WWE who offered him one year, thinking they had one year of plans. (And I guess they might, they just might be the same plan 3 or 4 times!)

Brock didn't have a ton of leverage. He's done with UFC, but (I believe) still has fights left on his contract, so they probably could've held him up if he tried to go fight Fedor or whatever. There's one company in Japan who might be able to afford him, but he burned that bridge worse than the WWE one, and the WWE gig is better paying and a lot easier flight. Brock had the option to make big money with WWE, or stay home.

It's hard to believe Brock is such a danger to walk out and leave at any time, but would also be demanding a long term commitment from the company. It's not impossible, Brock is crazy, but he would sure seem to prefer the situation where he can take his ball and go home when he wants.


    here's just been a lot of hype for WM outside the existing fan base -- let's try to keep that interest rolling by bringing in a name with outside recognition


It did keep a similar level of attention, but those extra people outside of the existing fan base who are paying attention are the people who normally tune in to buy the one PPV a year they buy. The momentum may make them more likely to check out RAW the Monday after to see what happened, but it's hard to get people who aren't used to buying PPVs to buy back to back ones. It'd be a lot easier to do so if they've had a few months to recover their wallet.


    Open him with the biggest name on the roster, & keep it "close". That legitimizes both of them to the "outside world".


Brock was legitimate, I don't think you're going to convince anyone who bought the show because of Brock that they need to keep watching to see Cena. That audience knows Cena already and has made their minds up on him.


    Not sure what you mean here? Are you saying that WWE should walk away from Cenas as their top guy?


Yes. I believe Cena peaked years ago. It's not even anything he's done, but it's the gradual passage of time and familiarity. Dr. Unlikely compared Cena to Hogan in his post, noting this was the WM year when they tried to move onto Ultimate Warrior. The difference is Hogan wasn't on TV every week and wasn't on PPV every month. WWE tried really hard to change people's opinions on Cena in the months leading up to WrestleMania, and people still cheered the Rock and booed him. WWE has done everything they can do with Cena.

(except for the one obvious thing, but that's probably not going to be as successful as we think - if someone very much doesn't want to be a heel, they're often not a very good heel.)

I'm not saying Cena has to go today, but (similar to Dr Unlikely said), replacing Cena is something actively moving towards. Brock losing to The Next Guy gave them a easy chance to start in that way while still protecting Cena. (There's not many other choices for a big win.) The Next Guy will probably eventually get his turn and win against Brock, but he won't be the first guy to stop the monster. Or probably the second.


    Not for nothing, but as Cena has pointed out for well over a year now, he's still here. Still on Raw, still slogging it out with no vacations, doing charity work, towing the company line and doing what he's asked by the company day in, day out.


Which is the same as everyone who works for that company. The WWE could produce the same hard working Cena special with a lot of guys (and gals!) on the roster. It just happened to be the story they were telling that month is "Cena works hardest", but all of those guys have insane schedules and most of them don't do it on a private bus.

I guess, if I can find a way to come around to the other side and defends this from WWE, I'd say you don't save Brock for the next top guy because you don't believe there's a next top guy close, and you're trying to do what you can to buy time until one finally gets there. That doesn't seem to say much for the guys who are around, but it's consistent with how every they treat them.

(edited by thecubsfan on 3.5.12 2325)


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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.67
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    24 dates, 3-5 PPV matches for $5 million


One thing that makes me just a little less gobsmacked about the Extreme Rules finish, is that I was working under the impression that Lesnar was working for a year, and if they were using him right away, I figured he was around for like 10 PPVs. If it's just this, HHH at SummerSlam, Rock at WrestleMania, and just one or two other matches?

In this light, using Brock to put over WWE guys, I can at least see the argument there. And Lesnar's past dealings with WWE shouldn't be entirely ignored.

Of course any 'points' I give WWE credit for that I wasn't Sunday night.. are more than made up for by the points I'm now deducting for the list of guys they are going to use Lesnar for. Cena beat him, HHH probably beats him too, Rock definitely beats him.

Gee, I guess that leaves one match where Brock needs to beat someone to win the WWE Championship so he can lose it to Rock, doesn't it?

And the chickening-out/doubling-down with booking Cena against Generic Evil GM Ace is taking away the hope I had that there was a heel turn building, even if not coming until SummerSlam 2013.

God, I hope I like this Dean Ambrose kid.



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.73
    Originally posted by TheOldMan
    Cena beat him, HHH probably beats him too, Rock definitely beats him. Gee, I guess that leaves one match where Brock needs to beat someone to win the WWE Championship so he can lose it to Rock, doesn't it?


I am going to predict that HHH loses to him after getting a lot of favorable face-saving spots (too many, probably), Rock they don't end up having the match because plans will be all tossed about by the time we get to December, and Punk never wrestles him.

I guess Brock could conceivably take the world title in January or February and hold it hostage for a few weeks if they're good and stockpile his dates for most of the weeks in the lead-up to WM. Winning the title might be "rehab him from high-profile job #2" though.

The big selling point for the Undertaker match would've been "no one can beat Brock Lesnar so how can Undertaker preserve the streak," but the dynamic of that is a lot less special now that "main eventers can beat Brock Lesnar if they get lucky." So if Sheamus is really the new guy (in as much as Miz and Del Rio were at one point) then he should probably be the last use of the world's highest paid & best enhancement talent, as opposed to one of the big 3 from '99 whose dream matches with him could be a lot less dreamy a year from now. (edit: the first half of this assertion could also apply to Punk; don't contradict yourself, me. it's just easier for me to visualize Sheamus/Lesnar having a BIG BASTARDS CLUBBERING EACH OTHER match.)

(edited by JustinShapiro on 4.5.12 0820)
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.64
Imagine how over Sheamus would get if he had a similar match and victory over Lesnar to Cena's.
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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.94
I have no problem with Seamus beating Brock. However, I think Undertaker defeating Brock at Wrestlemania would be a huge draw.



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.63
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
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    I guess Brock could conceivably take the world title in January or February and hold it hostage for a few weeks ...



I'd thought about this also, but we'd have a champion that doesn't work house shows or presumeably school visits, etc. and isn't that one of Vince's "things"?
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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.13
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by TheOldMan
      Cena beat him, HHH probably beats him too, Rock definitely beats him. Gee, I guess that leaves one match where Brock needs to beat someone to win the WWE Championship so he can lose it to Rock, doesn't it?


    I am going to predict that HHH loses to him after getting a lot of favorable face-saving spots (too many, probably), Rock they don't end up having the match because plans will be all tossed about by the time we get to December, and Punk never wrestles him.


    (edited by JustinShapiro on 4.5.12 0820)


I really want to agree with you, but as much as HHH wants us to think of him as Flair he is really Hogan because wins and losses matter way to much.

HHH couldn't even take a straight beatdown. He had to get his shots in, good for Brock for not selling them.

If protecting Cena at all costs is the goal then Brock should have probably lead off with a feud with The Big Show. I still think Cena should have had a flukier win, why wouldn't Brock keep showing and only smashing Cena? Just because Cena got a win and moved on shouldn't change Brock's mindset.
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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.57
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    HHH couldn't even take a straight beatdown. He had to get his shots in, good for Brock for not selling them.


Jesus Christ he got two punches in. That WAS a straight beatdown. And Hunter's going to job to Brock, because it plays into his ego-image of being the Company Man.
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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.44
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
      Originally posted by JustinShapiro
        Originally posted by TheOldMan
        Cena beat him, HHH probably beats him too, Rock definitely beats him. Gee, I guess that leaves one match where Brock needs to beat someone to win the WWE Championship so he can lose it to Rock, doesn't it?


      I am going to predict that HHH loses to him after getting a lot of favorable face-saving spots (too many, probably), Rock they don't end up having the match because plans will be all tossed about by the time we get to December, and Punk never wrestles him.


      (edited by JustinShapiro on 4.5.12 0820)

    HHH couldn't even take a straight beatdown. He had to get his shots in, good for Brock for not selling them.


I don't get this line of thinking.

Why is it so hard to consider that, if you're getting beat up like that, you're not going to at least try to get a couple hits in to fight back - even if it's just one person flailing around trying to hit anything.

I think that is a heck of a lot more believable then if Triple H had just gotten attacked and fell to the mat motionless, taking it.
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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.58
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    Brock had the option to make big money with WWE, or stay home.


He could've had a few more fights with the UFC assuming he was healthy enough. Losses to Overeem and Cain wouldn't have spelt the end of his career even if he wasn't one of their top draws. If he wasn't healthy I'm sure they'd have seen value in him as part of their commentary/presentation team. He could probably make decent money as cookie-cutter-bad-ass in random action flicks as well if he wanted.

WWE might have been the best option financially, but there would definitely be other avenues out there for him to explore if he wanted.

    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    HHH couldn't even take a straight beatdown. He had to get his shots in, good for Brock for not selling them.

Firtheloveofphuckingjesus.

Four shots spanning three seconds. That was the sum total of HHH's fightback before it was swiftly ended with a knee to the gut. He took a beating. Pure and simple.
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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.89
    Originally posted by Wpob
    I have no problem with Seamus beating Brock. However, I think Undertaker defeating Brock at Wrestlemania would be a huge draw.


But then you get the whole "we know Brock is leaving and we know Taker doesn't lose at WM" dynamic, so even while the match might be good, they have to spend too much time in making us doubt the outcome.

I'm not sure how I feel about using Brock to put others over. But if the matches all have the same awesome vibe and the same action as his match with Cena, I'm not going to complain.

I did wonder about one thing. Brock busted out some german suplexes, but other than that he was mostly a UFC striking machine. It fits him, but I wonder if he is still as technically sound as he was back in the day. I'd love to see him go all technical on someone.




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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.25
I think its a giant waste to use Brock has a talent enhancement on people who don't need it. So, he is just a lot healthier Foley. Its sorta stupid if all he is going to do is job to just put the WWE over. I can't see UFC taking him back after that. Maybe this is his retirement fund. Whatever the reason, this really should be Punk's spot not Cena.

As for HHH jobbing to Brock. I remember when it was ok for HHH to beat Punk, because you know Punk will get that win back. So, if there is a match, I think we all know who is going to win. Same goes for Mania. I don't want to blow $500 to see Brock having to eat the pinfall to Taker. That match should happen, but not at Mania. The best they can do is have Brock show up at the less than popular PPVs to spike the buyrates.



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I honestly think Taker respects MMA enough to talk Vince into letting Brock end the streak/retire him.



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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.67
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    I am going to predict that HHH loses to him after getting a lot of favorable face-saving spots (too many, probably), Rock they don't end up having the match because plans will be all tossed about by the time we get to December, and Punk never wrestles him.


Even I hedged on the HHH match result, but Nash caved his skull in with Sledgie and had to job, you're betting that H isn't getting his heat back after a mere broken arm?


    So if Sheamus is really the new guy (in as much as Miz and Del Rio were at one point) then he should probably be the last use of the world's highest paid & best enhancement talent, as opposed to one of the big 3 from '99 whose dream matches with him could be a lot less dreamy a year from now. (edit: the first half of this assertion could also apply to Punk; don't contradict yourself, me. it's just easier for me to visualize Sheamus/Lesnar having a BIG BASTARDS CLUBBERING EACH OTHER match.)


I can especially see Vince McMahon visualizing Sheamus/Lesnar in a clubberfest instead of Punk/Brock in a "who the fvck is going to believe the skinny wrestling hobo is going to last 5 minutes against Lesnar" money match.



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