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PWInsider (pwinsider.com) is reporting Brock blew up backstage at Extreme Rules over the John Cena promo. Supposedly, Cena was to be stretchered out last night. In a typical bit of shoddy writing, they also note that the Brock angle tonight was "planned in advance" to take Lesnar off TV. No kidding, of course it was planned in advance. They didn't go out there and call an audible during the promo.

Interesting note that Brock has to work two dates minimum. How long is Brock going to be off TV now? If he's going to take on Triple H, the broken arm angle means Over the Limit is probably out, unless Hunter can magically heal a broken arm in 20 days.

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Meltzer went on the WO board and said it's partially a "Pillman work on the boys". He stresses partially tho. Makes about sense as anything else these days I suppose.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.56
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    PWInsider (pwinsider.com) is reporting Brock blew up backstage at Extreme Rules over the John Cena promo. Supposedly, Cena was to be stretchered out last night.

That sure gives the "I'm sure I'm going to get in trouble for what I'm about to say" bit that Cena started with a whole new perspective. Part of me wonders if Cena went into business for himself and cut an impromptu promo. Then I think...if that's the case, why would they air it? They were pretty close to the 8 o'clock hour. If they saw Cena reaching for a mic, they could have easily said a quick goodnight and just faded to black.

I don't know what to believe anymore, not since we were lied to so many times about Kevin Nash last year. I do know that we haven't seen the last of Brock and he'll be back soon. Maybe not "Over the Limit" soon, but soon.

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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.64
This is total work territory.
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I think its probably a work. Yet, it wouldn't shock me to see Cena do something like that. And if Cena/Big Johnny is their audible then they really need to stick to their original plans.



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OK. This is the word from Observer Radio on the Brock deal.

1. At no time was there any plan for Brock to do anything but job to Cena. The WWE mentality is that they are paying him $5million to come in and put over their stars, not build a long term money drawing storyline around him the way any one else running a business who shells out $5million for an employee would do.

2. Lesnar knew he was jobbing from day one, but was expecting Cena to go out on a stretcher so there is actually heat over that as reported. He also was saying Cena pulled down the top rope to make him botch/try and injure him, tho Meltzer hears that's a work on the boys and Cena and Brock don't have actual heat.

3. WWE and Lesnar worked the dressing down of the officials to a degree, because WWE wanted word to get out that he was quitting before RAW and then SWERVE~! have him show up on tv. They also wanted to justify their booking decision with the boys by making it look he could quit at any minute (which he could), because that was a legit concern from the start.

4. Lesnar went off legitimately on one of Johnny Ace's assistant in front of a room full of people in order to sell #3, only he went off way more than they thought he would and said a bunch of shoot stuff that was "really, really bad", but unless this becomes a self fulfilling prophecy a la Pillman, he's not actually gonna quit for real .

5. The idea is still HHH/Lesnar at SummerSlam, then have Brock work at Rumble or SS and 'mania.

Yeahhhhhhh. Making sense of this gave me a headache, but that's probably because this stuff makes no sense. Work or shoot, this stuff is NO BUYS. The stuff about how to the WWE, Cena is their product so Lesnar is just a $5million investment to put over their product might actually make the LEAST sense to me, because Lesnar is ALSO YOUR PRODUCT! He's not some MMA guy who's coming in, he's a home grown WWE guy who became a giant MMA star! That's a huge part of his appeal with your fanbase... ah whatever it's not worth it.

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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.13
The WWE's insecurity is going to cost them another chance at having a ground breaking angle. The Invasion, Nexus, CM Punk now Lesnar. I'm sure there are others.

Ego always seems to get in the way.

I don't see how any of this helps Cena with the fans.
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.92
    Originally posted by CxMorgado
    5. The idea is still HHH/Lesnar at SummerSlam.


I have it on good authority that Brock will have a rematch with that shark.





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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.71
    Originally posted by CxMorgado
    The WWE mentality is that they are paying him $5million to come in and put over their stars, not build a long term money drawing storyline around him the way any one else running a business who shells out $5million for an employee would do.


Ah, that explains why The Rock lost to John Cena at wrestlem........oh, hang on a minute.

I call bullshit on this 'insider info', Cena winning was shock booking on VKM's part, pure and simple. IWC all predicting one thing, he decides to book the other way, case closed.
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.74
    Originally posted by steven87gill
      Originally posted by CxMorgado
      The WWE mentality is that they are paying him $5million to come in and put over their stars, not build a long term money drawing storyline around him the way any one else running a business who shells out $5million for an employee would do.


    Ah, that explains why The Rock lost to John Cena at wrestlem........oh, hang on a minute.


Rock is a trusted part of the family on a handshake deal. Brock is a 'troublemaker' who walked out on them.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.71
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by steven87gill
        Originally posted by CxMorgado
        The WWE mentality is that they are paying him $5million to come in and put over their stars, not build a long term money drawing storyline around him the way any one else running a business who shells out $5million for an employee would do.


      Ah, that explains why The Rock lost to John Cena at wrestlem........oh, hang on a minute.


    Rock is a trusted part of the family on a handshake deal. Brock is a 'troublemaker' who walked out on them.


I know, but damn, the atmosphere was electric when Lesnar returned, and now, he's just a cookie cutter bad guy that the 8 years old boo dammit. I mean you could interchange him with Batista in 2010. I hope they've got something up there sleeve, because It feels like WWE forgot they still have to come up with storylines post Rock/Cena.
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No surprise that it takes less of a month for Brock to show that he hasn't grown up one iota since he left eight years ago. For the amount of money he's being paid for the few dates he's obligated for, he needs to shut up and do as he's told (especially considering that he didn't leave the first time on the best of terms, nyuck nyuck) and if the fans want to complain about how he's being treated, well, that's their prerogative. All a stunt like this shows is how much of a whiny bitch Brock is that doesn't deserve our support in any way.



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    Originally posted by steven87gill
    I know, but damn, the atmosphere was electric when Lesnar returned, and now, he's just a cookie cutter bad guy that the 8 years old boo dammit. I mean you could interchange him with Batista in 2010. I hope they've got something up there sleeve, because It feels like WWE forgot they still have to come up with storylines post Rock/Cena.


That electric reaction was never going to last, especially considering the crowd that was giving that reaction was one of the more unique RAW crowds in years. Plus, said crowd had been anticipating Lesnar all night without knowing for sure and a big part of that reaction was having their speculation confirmed.

I don't know, this is mostly making sense to me. The only thing that doesn't make sense is the price tag. I don't think Lesnar is worth the mega-cash they're paying him above everyone else on the roster. I guess WWE has money to burn?

Also, working the backstage post-90's is still stupid. No one's buying it.

Of course, if the plan is for HHH to go over Lesnar, I'll take that back.


EDIT: Also, I don't buy the stretchering story at all. Cena sold the arm injury pretty much the whole time and that's not really a "stretcher" injury like losing the use of your legs or broken ribs, or some sort of head injury. And the way Lesnar was working that arm, it seems like he was in on the injury the way it played out.

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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.74
    Originally posted by steven87gill
      Originally posted by JustinShapiro
        Originally posted by steven87gill
          Originally posted by CxMorgado
          The WWE mentality is that they are paying him $5million to come in and put over their stars, not build a long term money drawing storyline around him the way any one else running a business who shells out $5million for an employee would do.


        Ah, that explains why The Rock lost to John Cena at wrestlem........oh, hang on a minute.


      Rock is a trusted part of the family on a handshake deal. Brock is a 'troublemaker' who walked out on them.


    I know, but damn, the atmosphere was electric when Lesnar returned, and now, he's just a cookie cutter bad guy that the 8 years old boo dammit. I mean you could interchange him with Batista in 2010. I hope they've got something up there sleeve, because It feels like WWE forgot they still have to come up with storylines post Rock/Cena.



Believe me, I'm not rationalizing it, just trying to suss out the different thought processes. They're 100% confident Rock will be back for future dates, but they're always going to be paranoid about Brock. Rock is a distinguished alumni and Brock is an outsider. Too bad, 'cause I think the Brock Lesnar we saw in Chicago would've been worth more than the future Rock dates "twice in a lifetime."
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.36

While I have no doubt that the Rock's return coincided with his return to action films and a desire to get back some of his old demographics, I don't think he would need to do it if he didn't want to and enjoy it.

Brock, as everyone tells us, is "just a mercenary, doing it for the money."

Which I suppose in a way makes him the 21st century Lex Luger.



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I think paying Brock a shitload of money to put the business over is a great idea.

Wins and loses don't seem to matter all that much anymore, but a win over Lesnar does look and sound good. Lesnar isn't gonna be there forever, use him while you can to make the people you have look good and everyone wins in the end.

Also, if the chance of Brock really just up a quitting at any time is at all possible, why the hell would you want him beating any of the top guys? That's bad business. Paying a legitimate badass who can probably destroy everyone on the roster in a real 'fight' to work a match where all he does is beat the fuck out of someone then lose is the correct way to go with this.

Now I'm not saying have Zack Ryder or Santino get wins off him, but Cena, Triple H, Orton, and maybe Punk and Shamus getting wins off Brock will all help the business.

Brock is a sideshow freak. He could be the new Andre The Giant. People will want to pay to see him, but it doesn't matter when he loses or wins. Brock wins a match, well sure... he's Brock Lesnar. Of course he can win. Brock Lesnar loses a match... Holy shit! That dude won a match against Brock Lesnar! He must be a bad ass!



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But Andre didn't lose. He didn't lose for 15 years. He had the trophy to prove it. That's how Wrestlemania III was born.

HHH doesn't need to beat Brock Lesnar. It does nothing for his character, the perception of his character, or his future.

Hell, even Cena shouldn't have beaten him the first time out. I don't understand why they couldn't do Brother Love Redux. What made John Tenta so special? There could've been a letter writing campaign and everything. It's not as if Brock would win the match and leave the company. What would that prove? I'm sure everyone knows that Brock would beat Cena, or anyone else in that locker room, in a "real" fight. The idea of him leaving and it having a negative impact on "the business" is fucking retarded. He wouldn't show up in TNA. He can't fight MMA anymore. I just don't understand the logic or reasoning.



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Read it and weep, fella


    Originally posted by Stefonics
    The idea of him leaving and it having a negative impact on "the business" is fucking retarded. He wouldn't show up in TNA. He can't fight MMA anymore. I just don't understand the logic or reasoning.
I wonder if this is just WWE's way of using him best they can while also protecting themselves from what happened in 2004. You know, when he was a world beater and murdered every top star they threw at him, then he took all those rubs and pushes and walked right out the door before he could give any of it back.

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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.11
    Originally posted by Cerebus
    I think paying Brock a shitload of money to put the business over is a great idea.

    Wins and loses don't seem to matter all that much anymore, but a win over Lesnar does look and sound good. Lesnar isn't gonna be there forever, use him while you can to make the people you have look good and everyone wins in the end.

    Also, if the chance of Brock really just up a quitting at any time is at all possible, why the hell would you want him beating any of the top guys? That's bad business. Paying a legitimate badass who can probably destroy everyone on the roster in a real 'fight' to work a match where all he does is beat the fuck out of someone then lose is the correct way to go with this.

    Now I'm not saying have Zack Ryder or Santino get wins off him, but Cena, Triple H, Orton, and maybe Punk and Shamus getting wins off Brock will all help the business.

    Brock is a sideshow freak. He could be the new Andre The Giant. People will want to pay to see him, but it doesn't matter when he loses or wins. Brock wins a match, well sure... he's Brock Lesnar. Of course he can win. Brock Lesnar loses a match... Holy shit! That dude won a match against Brock Lesnar! He must be a bad ass!
This is pretty much exactly the way I read the situation.

As best I recall, with a little help from Wikipedia (en.wikipedia.org): Brock had top billing with WWE but pretty much just up & quit, abruptly, just because he felt like it. There were lawyers involved when Brock started working in Japan, breaching the no-compete that he'd signed to get out of his WWE contract. And that was a whole big pile of lawyer ugliness. None of that would say to me that this is a go-to guy that WWE should rely rely on in any way.

It's completely reasonable for WWE to use him for what they can get from him (for fair compensation). But for WWE to trust Brock, make any significant or long-range plans based on him would be foolish. (WWE doesn't like to get "fooled" twice.) It felt a bit shoot-ish in HHH's interaction with Brock, when HHH was saying Brock could stay or he could go -- whichever. That's stating the obvious, but I think probably that has to dictate the game plan that WWE's going to stick to with with Brock.

There's also the issue of Brock's medical condition. I don't think we know exactly what the status of that is, but I would think, if he has another recurrence, that he'd be unable to work WWE shows. That's also a consideration for making any long-term plans around Brock.

Brock potentially is an increased draw. It's just a matter of WWE protecting their interests.

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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.28

    then he took all those rubs and pushes and walked right out the door before he could give any of it back.


Hmmm.



If you don't trust Brock long term, why did they sign him for a whole year? Why not just bring him in for a single match as needed? Why do the match one month after everyone just paid for WrestleMania instead of SummerSlam or some other bigger show? Why do it with Cena, who's killed many monsters, and not Sheamus or Punk?

I think, after all of this happens, WWE thinks the reason people are not watching RAW as much is because John Cena is not beloved enough by the audience, and the only way they can fix that is to do more for John Cena. If you start from that vantage point, it makes sense why they went out of their way to make sure Cena got jabs in on the Rock. (Rock was too awesome to let it stick.) It makes sense to have John Cena beat him, to see if that gets some buzz back. It makes sense for Cena's arm not be broken more than day and HHH's to be broken instead. (It's why CM Punk never beat Cena for the title without Cena being distracted.) It's all about John Cena.

I don't want to be a Cena hater, but it definitely feels like the time where they ought to be moving on. Instead, they're doubling down.



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