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I thought the whole "I'm moving to Canada" reaction was a joke, but apparently not. (may require registration).

A new record was set within hours of Bush's acceptance speech as six times more Americans than usual surfed the site Wednesday.

The overall number of 179,000 visitors was almost twice the previous one-day record set last year and a whopping 64 per cent of visitors — 115,016— were from the United States.


As well, there's also Marry an American, which can help out a bit.
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    Originally posted by The Goon
    I thought the whole "I'm moving to Canada" reaction was a joke, but apparently not. (may require registration).

    A new record was set within hours of Bush's acceptance speech as six times more Americans than usual surfed the site Wednesday.

    The overall number of 179,000 visitors was almost twice the previous one-day record set last year and a whopping 64 per cent of visitors — 115,016— were from the United States.


    As well, there's also Marry an American, which can help out a bit.
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I linked to this in the loooooooong thread for spf, and this is one of the pages on the site.

http://www.marryanamerican.ca/aboot/agenda.php

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Goon, I ask a favor: That you and your fellow countrymen treat them very well...










...because we sure as hell don't want 'em back.



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    Originally posted by CRZ
    Good riddance, if they're serious...but I strongly doubt they are.


Even though this is all kinda silly BUT if you were a Gay American (TM NJ Governor), wouldn't you be justifiably pessimistic about your future in America? The "Good Riddance" was given to them overwhelmingly in 11 states in this election.



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    Originally posted by fuelinjected
    Even though this is all kinda silly BUT if you were a Gay American (TM NJ Governor), wouldn't you be justifiably pessimistic about your future in America? The "Good Riddance" was given to them overwhelmingly in 11 states in this election.

I have not one but two gay friends who voted Bush on Tuesday (only one officially a "Log Cabin" Repub). Outside of the far left and the vocal militants, most of the rest of America sees the difference between changing the definition of marriage and wanting all homosexuals to be branded with a pink triangle.



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Save your anecdotes.

Do you really believe that the majority of the bible belt states that voted down gay marriage don't view homosexuality as a sin? I didn't say they were going to lynch gays but if you're gay and living in one of those states, do you deserve a "good riddance" if you're thinking about moving?



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Oh yes, the south, home of rednecks, homophobes and every other stereotype from the 50s and 60s. I am sure the people who DONT live in the "bible belt" who also turned down the same sex marriage ammendments must have all moved there from Alabama, right?

This nation is more accepting and tolerant of homosexuals than at any time in history.
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    Originally posted by fuelinjected
      Originally posted by CRZ
      Good riddance, if they're serious...but I strongly doubt they are.


    Even though this is all kinda silly BUT if you were a Gay American (TM NJ Governor), wouldn't you be justifiably pessimistic about your future in America? The "Good Riddance" was given to them overwhelmingly in 11 states in this election.
You are assigning a correlation to my words that I wasn't and am not making.



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Exactly. I've read TONS the last 48 hours about how the 11-0 defeat of that means that gays better start living in fear of being rounded up by the God police (What? Kerry's against gay marriage too? Even refused to support it when Clinton said it might get him some votes? Are you SUUURE?). Nothing could be further from the truth, but because the push for it was so sudden and unyielding people took sides. Over the course of four years, it went from not being an issue at all to IT HAS TO BE THIS WAY OR NO WAY!! If the push had been for civil unions and equal benefits to gay partners... and maybe after that was in and everyone got used to it they'd pushed equal marriage rights for the NEXT election... we'd probably have a nation of people that, while not all were jumping up and down about it, were at least able to accept it. That didn't happen because once it became "us vs. them" there was no way to suggest to a supporter there's another side without getting "RACIST IGNORANT INTOLERANT HOMOPHOBE" getting thrown back at them.

And that's pretty much how the leftist elite views every issue: "If you were just a little smarter or less blinded by that silly God book you'd see it my way." Not really the most open invitation when reaching out to "undecideds."



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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    This nation is more accepting and tolerant of homosexuals than at any time in history.


"More accepting and tolerant" doesn't mean much. Or am I the only one who remembers the furor over Lawrence vs. Texas?

Forget about marriage for a minute. The Lawrence case happened because two men were arrested in Texas for having consensual sex IN THEIR OWN APARTMENT. Closed doors, closed windows, not out in the middle of the intersection for public display. This was not in 1798, not in 1898, but in _1998_. When it reached the Supreme Court, one of my state's senators made a national ass of himself by publically stating that states _should_ have the right to prohibit homosexual relations, and that _none_ of us should have the absolute right to sexual privacy in our own homes.

So pardon me if I don't find our Kinder, Gay-Friendlier America to be particularly fucking enlightened just because we have Queer Eye on NBC now. We're one bill away from the Establishment Clause being taken out of the hands of the Supreme and federal court system, which will open the door for various states to start actively dictating allowable sexual behavior to their citizens. Sounds crazy? It isn't. The bill was introduced THIS YEAR and can easily rear its ugly head again.

"Blue flight" is coming. When the Roy Moores of the world get their way, a lot of people they view as being "deviant" had better get out of Dodge for their own good.




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StaggerLee: "Oh yes, the south, home of rednecks, homophobes and every other stereotype from the 50s and 60s. I am sure the people who DONT live in the "bible belt" who also turned down the same sex marriage ammendments must have all moved there from Alabama, right?"

The states were: Oregon, Ohio, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi, Michigan, North Dakota, Arkansas, Montana, Utah and Oklahoma.

All predominately religion-heavy states, IMO. The majority of arguments that are lobbied against gay marriage are based in religion. The bible belt itself is called the "bible belt" for a reason and that's neither a Republican nor Democrat label. This isn't so much a George Bush or John Kerry issue even though Bush was the one who made it an election issue and Kerry dodged it.

StaggerLee: "This nation is more accepting and tolerant of homosexuals than at any time in history."

Wow, do you want a cookie?

CRZ: "You are assigning a correlation to my words that I wasn't and am not making."

Yeah, I should have reworded what I said. I agree that the general Democrat who lives in a Democrat state actually moving to Canada over Bush is extreme and silly.

Barbwire Mike: "And that's pretty much how the leftist elite views every issue: "If you were just a little smarter or less blinded by that silly God book you'd see it my way."

I'm not even going to argue with someone who blames people for labels and then labels the other side.

And I'm exiting this because I'm getting sucked into an issue I find to be ridiculous and a civil rights issue, not a state or an election issue.



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Something happens six years ago, and somehow, you are relating it to THIS administration? Explain how that works. Explain how most national insurance companies are now allowing coverage for same sex couples. That was unheard of 6 years ago. People are more accepting, and the homosexual lifestyle is being seen by a large portion of the nation as something that is okay.


And Fuelinjected, perhaps you should look up BIBLE BELT before you go spouting off about how the BIBLE BELT is holding gays down. Oklahoma, Ohio, Oregon, Michigan, The Dakotas, and Montana come nowhere near the Bible Belt.

Its simple things like that which makes me wish Canadians who are intent on Bashing the USA would at least have a frieking clue as to what they are saying before they spout off.


(edited by StaggerLee on 4.11.04 1948)
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.84
    Originally posted by fuelinjected
    Barbwire Mike: "And that's pretty much how the leftist elite views every issue: "If you were just a little smarter or less blinded by that silly God book you'd see it my way."

Damnit, I actually meant to leave that line out. It was a modified quote from another argument elsewhere where I'd been branded and was striking back. Had no place in that answer.

And even as such I would never even jokingly refer to the vast majority of Democrats or independants who voted against Bush "the liberal elite." It's a very specific term directed at the party heads who were so sure everyone hated Bush enough for them to sneak an ultra-lib in because one had almost won last time and America is smart enough for one now... rather than noticing Gore did so well because he was riding the wave of one of the most popular Presidents ever and by all rights should've won with 60-65% of the vote.

But I can see how my response looks contradictory... and for that I apologize. Doesn't make the paragraph that came before it any less true.



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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Something happens six years ago, and somehow, you are relating it to THIS administration? Explain how that works. Explain how most national insurance companies are now allowing coverage for same sex couples. That was unheard of 6 years ago. People are more accepting, and the homosexual lifestyle is being seen by a large portion of the nation as something that is okay.


Texas in 1998 had a governor by the name of um, um, jeez. Who was that? Anne Richardson...no. God, it escapes me who their governor was back then. Oh yeah. George W. Bush. That's a pretty strong relationship. Maybe not a direct correlation, but that works.

National insurance companies want your freakin' money. They don't care how or why.

11 states ratified amendments to their state constitution two days ago prohibiting same-sex couples from marriage and in some cases even civil unions that would give them access to rights pertaining to next-of-kin, power of attorney and whatnot. Two states did it earlier this year. We're more accepting? Yeah, barely.



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VSP, perhaps you missed this story about Texans and homosexuals:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/2883619


    DALLAS - One-time migrant farm worker Lupe Valdez made history this week when she became the first woman and the first Hispanic elected Dallas County sheriff, not to mention the first Democrat to win the post since the mid-1970s.


    She also is openly gay.

    The Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund, a political action committee that endorsed Valdez and trained her on answering questions related to her sexual orientation, hailed her as the "first-ever Latina lesbian sheriff."


And, Rockstar, good point about Bush being in charge in TExas, I havent thought of that!

But, insurance companies wont take everybody's money, they wont take mine to insure my girlfriend. So, thats a bit off.




(edited by StaggerLee on 4.11.04 2004)
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Something happens six years ago, and somehow, you are relating it to THIS administration? Explain how that works.


The arrest itself was in 1998. The court case kept going (as did the laws that caused it) until the middle of last year, when its Supreme Court resolution caused sodomy laws nationwide to be struck down.

Last year's furor over Lawrence vs. Texas, and the Supreme Court's finding in favor of sexual privacy regardless of orientation, was the spark that drove the recent push for legally-recognized gay unions.

Now, I'm not going to derail this thread into Gay Central any more than I already have. Gay marriage is but one of dozens of fronts on which the religious right is currently attacking. Given the anti-gay proposition that brought evangelicals to the Ohio polls in droves, however, it's a shame that it turned out to be the cause that decided a presidential election. One lesbian sheriff in Texas doesn't do a whole lot to tilt the scales the other way.

Doubling back to the original thread, once certain states start cracking down hard on "deviance" and start pushing religion big time, I don't expect a mad rush to Canada; not only is that a much bigger change than it sounds like at first, but as noted, Canada's not about to throw the doors open wide and accept everyone who applies. I _do_ expect a lot of red-state residents who feel trampled by such a religious resurgence to move (if they can afford to), likely to a bluer area or state. If you thought America was geographically polarized now...



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.95
    Originally posted by fuelinjected
    The states were: Oregon, Ohio, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi, Michigan, North Dakota, Arkansas, Montana, Utah and Oklahoma.

    All predominately religion-heavy states, IMO.






The argument loses something when you consider Oregon and Michigan have been Democratic states for many years, and they both went for Kerry. Thus, that means a healthy percentage of people in those 2 states who voted for Kerry voted to prohibit gay marriage. And, Arkansas and North Dakota re-elected Democratic Senators. Those Senators are supported by a bunch of intolerant people I guess, as some of their supporters had to approve the prohibition.
And, playing off the title of the thread slightly, Canada can always house their new immigrants in Olympic Stadium between April and October now.



(edited by redsoxnation on 4.11.04 2231)

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Being anti-gay marriage and being anti-gay are NOT the same thing. I recall seeing polls here in California during the height of the San Fransisco gay marriage fiasco that indicated that most of the state (this State, which gave 55 votes to Kerry) was opposed to gay marriage.

There is no denying that the hard core religious types would oppose gay marriage. But the majority of the people who oppose it are NOT the hard-core religious types.

Look, I don't think you will find many people who think that it should be illegal for someone to be gay. I applauded the fall of the sodomy laws. But this is not a winning issue right now for the Democrats. It isn't because the Bible Belt is getting their way, it is because the majority of Americans don't want it. But it sure as hell isn't a bigoted position. Show me gays who are denied service in restaurants because of their orientation, who are arrested and jailed for loving someone of the same sex - I'll be right there with you calling foul. This just isn't the same thing. You are trying to change the definition of something in the eyes of the law. It would be like me calling the government racist because I want to be considered African American on all of those stupid forms. It is not racist that I can't consider myself black, just as it isn't bigoted that 2 gay men can't consider themselves married in the eyes of the law. But they are being denied NOTHING. No one is stopping them from trading vows. You want to talk about denial of health insurance? Hospital visits? Hell, that is true for anyone who isn't married. I would have the same trouble a gay couple would have trying to visit my longtime girlfriend in the hospital. It is a seperate issue, and is not one of civil rights.

And I am not sure this attempt to "spin" the Presidential election in order to save face is going to fly, guys. Kerry lost. And it wasn't because of gay marriage, I can tell you. This whole notion is based on a single, vague word - "morality." Funny how that poll this is based on didn't also have the word "Iraq" in one of the possible answers. Your guy lost. Your ideas lost. "Right" was not stolen by a fringe group of fanatics. Your side was not convincing enough.

You think the government should recognize gay unions? Make the case. If you convince the people who oppose Gay Marriage who are NOT basing that opinion on the bible, you will win your cause. Frankly, you aren't going to change the minds of the religious right, and you aren't going to change the minds of the people like me who are more in the middle by screaming that you can't legislate according to the Bible. They don't care - they aren't basing their opinion on the Bible in the first place.

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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.48

    Originally posted by vsp
    Given the anti-gay proposition that brought evangelicals to the Ohio polls in droves, however, it's a shame that it turned out to be the cause that decided a presidential election.


This is just a wild guess. Don't you think that it is more likely an anti-Kerry/Micheal Moore/Springsteen/Vote or Die backlash? Or maybe they wanted to avoid the garbage that happened last time and "got out the vote" for Bush? And while they were there, they voted on the proposition. Just as likely, if not more so.

    Originally posted by vsp
    Doubling back to the original thread, once certain states start cracking down hard on "deviance" and start pushing religion big time...(edit)...I _do_ expect a lot of red-state residents who feel trampled by such a religious resurgence to move (if they can afford to), likely to a bluer area or state. If you thought America was geographically polarized now...


Jumping criminy, when did the Inquisition begin? You're panicking just a tad.... if worse comes to worse (which I don't believe in the slightest) the court system will take care of most problems here.



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