Originally posted by Psycho PenguinNo way are Emtman and Mandarich bigger busts than Russell. Emtman had actual reasons and Mandarich was a solid player later on in his career. Russell is comparable to Leaf and no one would say Leaf was less of a bust than those two players.
Better to be marred "by injuries" (Emtman) than to be marred by sucking (Russell). Emtman was actually quite good until his ACLs started falling apart.
EDIT: Besides, if you are going to be an idiot and cite 'injuries" as a reason to downgrade a #1 pick, at least pick the right guy. Ki-Jana Carter blew out HIS knee in his first preseason game. At least Emtman got nearly a full season with all his ligaments in tact.
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How about Courtney Brown, who also failed due to laziness and not injuries? I agree with JayJayDean 100 percent, it's fucking retarded to call someone a bust just because they're injured (or admit steroid use), when there's enough people like Leaf and Russell that actually deserve it.
Round-Player-Year Team Position Player 1-12-1999 Chicago Bears QB Cade McNown 3-71-1999 Chicago Bears WR D'Wayne Bates 4-107-1999 Washington Redskins LB Nate Stimson 5-144-1999 Chicago Bears LB Khari Samuel 6-179-1999 Denver Broncos TE Desmond Clark 7-218-1999 Denver Broncos WR Billy Miller 1-2-2000 Washington Redskins LB La'Var Arrington 3-64-2000 Washington Redskins DB Lloyd Harrison
Emtman was hampered by injuries, which were not his fault.
Russell is hampered by being dreadful and having the emotional maturity of a space hopper. Things which kinda are his fault.
Also, the Colts would have been a better team if Emtman had stayed healthy. The Raiders would've been better off if Russell had spent the last three years injured.
Originally posted by CajunManMike Ditka trading the draft for Ricky Williams. Yes it was a bad move but kind of an after thought now that we won a S.B. What did Wash. pick up with all those picks anyway?
Are you just naming random dumb stuff done by football teams in the past?
Ricky Williams was picked fifth overall and can actually play football. Russell was picked first overall and can't.
That might be one of the poorer trades ever done, but it's not one of the worst draft picks, and guys who rack up near 10,000 yards rushing generally ain't busts.
Russell isn't just poor based on where he was drafted. He has, to date, been one of the worst excuses for a starting quarterback ever seen in the NFL.
He has, without question, been the worst #1 pick in NFL history, and along with Leaf is one of the two worst picks at any draft position ever. The fact that you've only been able to offer up an injured guy and a good football player as "counter arguments", while offering no rationale for the names you put forth, probably means that on some level even you know this is true.
Maclin? Do you mean in a "they've got enough young spritely things on offense" sense, because I'm not sure he helps the RB situation so much, and a triumvirate of McCoy, Buckley and Weaver wouldn't put me in my happy place.