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Since: 2.1.02
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#1 Posted on
This stems from an argument I had (and, to some extent, am still having) on another forum.

There's quite a division over what to do with the sixteen-acre site that was the World Trade Center. The most vocal group wants the WTC rebuilt exactly as it was prior to September 11th. I would like to see the site rebuilt, but using an entirely new design - a viewpoint that others are shouting down.

What do you think?

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#2 Posted on

I don't think the same buildings should be built back up.
Think of all the grief that would bring to those that lost loved ones in there.

A whole new building (buildings) would be far better. And no matter how the building will look it has to be another landmark. A nice tribute in the lower levels would be nice too..



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I don't think that you can rebuild them exactly as they were. Who would feel safe working on the 100th floor?

One of the more popular ideas that I've heard pitched is 4 buildings built at the site at 50 floors each with a monument in the center of the buildings.
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#4 Posted on

Originally posted by David Adams
I don't think that you can rebuild them exactly as they were. Who would feel safe working on the 100th floor?

One of the more popular ideas that I've heard pitched is 4 buildings built at the site at 50 floors each with a monument in the center of the buildings.



As safe as all the other americans working on the 100th floor or so. However, you'd feel weird because its the WTC..
The four buildings with a monument sounds nice. If only for the monument.



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i'm kinda for building it the same just to show the world that we do not tolerate and will not let terrorism affect us.... but then again the 4 smaller buildings with the monument is a good idea.... so i guess i am undecided...



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I liked an idea I heard a while back of leaving the ground as an open space for reflection, with 2 columns of white light in the middle shining straight up every night. Everyone will know what happened there, so let it be a quiet place for the dead to rest. A small memorial of some sort, but mostly leave it a quiet spot to reflect, with nothing else there. No tennis courts or skate ramps or anything. One of the most amazing things about the WTC disaster was how in the aftermath the whole nation stopped rushing for a day or two. This can be a place to stop rushing and actually reflect on life a little bit.



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#7 Posted on

Originally posted by spf2119
I liked an idea I heard a while back of leaving the ground as an open space for reflection, with 2 columns of white light in the middle shining straight up every night. Everyone will know what happened there, so let it be a quiet place for the dead to rest. A small memorial of some sort, but mostly leave it a quiet spot to reflect, with nothing else there. No tennis courts or skate ramps or anything. One of the most amazing things about the WTC disaster was how in the aftermath the whole nation stopped rushing for a day or two. This can be a place to stop rushing and actually reflect on life a little bit.



There, I feel better now.



Sounds good, you know..
But this is NYC, better yet the business district of Manhattan. To leave the area 'unused' is like throwing away bread that thousands of hungry little Afghans are begging for.
What I mean? Alot of money can/will be made by building there. The area is too big not to use when office space is so in demand there.

Also, Serwolfe said:

i'm kinda for building it the same just to show the world that we do not tolerate and will not let terrorism affect us.

But it did affect you. Look all around, look at the turmoil it made in the world. Look at the destruction the crashes caused in the middle of Manhattan..No denying it. Thus why would you build the same thing when you can show the world that you can make something better even.
You know..'look at us..we aren't the same! We learned from it and came out stronger!'



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#8 Posted on
I'm for rebuilding the identical buildings again (enhanced to cure flaws that have come out in the design that might have kept them from coming down). We are the USA. We WILL not be taken down. We WILL rise again. The buildings themselves could stand as a memorial to those who lost loved ones.

On the same token, if I'm a business who had a significant amount of my company in the WTC towers, I'm thinking there's no way I'm going to have that significant a presence there again. I would have a presence there, but I'd diversify. I'm looking at splitting up key operations to different locations...different STATES. With the technologies of today, that's not hard to do, and if something gets hit, you don't lose everything. If you design it well enough, you have backups for most catastrophic scenarios that can be laid in immediately. And I'm not just thinking that for WTC businesses, I'm thinking that for all sizeable businesses worldwide.
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#9 Posted on
I work in NYC and commuted everyday through the WTC - my partner at work was at a meeting on the 102nd floor of the 2nd tower when the first plane hit - he was on the 78th floor when the 2nd plane hit - he never made it out - he has since been identified through the DNA testing they did on his bone fragments. The afternoon of 9/10 we flipped a coin to see who would go to the meeting and who would go to NJ to play golf with a client.

Rebuilding the WTC exactly as it was is a pie in the sky pipe dream - nice thought but it will never happen. The proposal with even less of a chance is that of open space with a reflecting pool and twin towers of light - it might work in a smaller midwestern city but never in the heart of America's Financial District.

What you will most likely wind up with is a monument and small reflecting pool or fountain in the middle of several smaller office buildings. The site is too valuable to Silverstein Properties to be used in any other way.

With regards to monuments, cities and towns across America are now requesting and receiving pieces of the WTC from the Fresh Kills landfill for inclusion in monuments in their towns. The only prerequisite is that the piece be left in it's original condition.



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Since: 6.1.02
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#10 Posted on
It's got to be a few things in my opinion.

a) it's got to have comparable office space to the old WTC.
b) it has to be a world class structure for the sake of NYCers (and the country's) morale.
c) there has to be a monument or memorial
d) It has to be someplace people aren't afraid to go.
e) optimaly it should be able to hold TV antennas.

So what I came up with was four 50 story office buildings with a stucture in the middle similar to the space needle or the CN tower (but hopefully taller, making it the highest free-standing stucture in the world), called simply "the Memorial Tower (or maybe World Trade Center Memorial Tower)." That would be the monument. At the base of the tower there could be whatever sculptures (one idea I had was to carve a sculpture into the base of the tower) and other stuff. At the observation deck could be a small museum about the victims and the WTC. My personal idea would have the four office buildings have skybridges to the the tower, but I don't know how arcitectually feasable that is.

That takes care of all my criteria
a) The four office buildings, if wide enough, could have comparable office space to the old WTC complex.

b) If it's the tallest freestanding structure in the world, it would be a world class stucture.

c) This would allow for a huge monument, plus a museum, plus hopefully something a little more serene and somber at the base.

d) There wouldn't be the worry that businesses wouldn't want to locate in the new tower for fear of being a "target." The 50 story (could even make them 60 or 70 stories) towers fit in with the downtown skyline and wouldn't stick out very much if at all. There wouldn't be any office space in the Memorial tower, only an observation deck complex.

e) TV antennas would be very easy to put on top and would fit in with the look of the structure.

That's my idea.

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#11 Posted on
I don't think any of these ideas are bad ones, but I do wish they wouldn't rebuild on *that* site. No matter how good the clean up job is, it really is going to be something of a mass grave site, even if there aren't full corpses or anything of the like there. To me you could take the opportunity to revitalize some other part of the city with a mammoth new project, and leave this site where so many died as a place for them to rest in peace. I do understand the desire to rebuild, and do not begrudge the owners their desire to make profit off their land. I just wish they wouldn't.



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Since: 12.1.02
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#12 Posted on
In my opinion, I'd go with the four buildings and monument idea. If they feel the need to put anything there, that is.



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i think a new set of towers or buildings or whatever would be tastless...

for the few that were probably incenerated or forever buryed under settled rubble and dirt, it's a gravesite...

It's like the Arizona (?) thats have sunk in pearl harbor...it's a shrine to those who were savagly murdered in their offices...

if anything other than a shrine or some other memorial was built, most of the country would be up in arms, and rightfully so...

I'm the most UN-religous person you will probably meet, but i think it would be tastless if they rebuild like nothing happened...


many many people WORLDWIDE were touched by what happened there just over 4 months ago...


i was thinking....should 11/9 be a day of celebration???

9/11 was a day of great greif and tradagy...should we use 11/9 as a day to celebrate life and to remember those who died?



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#14 Posted on
After actually going there and seeing the site, it's hard to picture anything ever going there again. It is amazing the amount of destruction it caused. Not only to the towers, but to the buildings still standing around it. Television really can't do it justice. I went a couple of months ago when some of the towers structure was still standing, like a skeleton. It sends chills down your spine seeing it and hearing how quite it is compared to the rest of the city. Then you walk two blocks and you see the Statue of Liberty which is the symbol of America.

I do think that you have to rebuild. Not the same building and it doesn't even have to be to that scale. I agree that there should be and there will be a memorial, but to memorialize the whole area isn't right either.

What happened that day was a terrible thing, but thoughout history America has always rebuilt and become stronger than before. They should do the same thing here.


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